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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:38 am

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AGar wrote:Ah right... MacDougall is in this game.

Man I wish I had a double dayvig right now.

And no, Vezok. That is the shittiest logic I have ever seen anyone use. And this isn't your first game. Jesus christ start playing like you have a brain please?


What on Earth does this mean? I make a post pointing out the flaws in Vezok's play so you suggest day vigging both of us while insinuating that I should be day killed for being me and follow it up with having a go at Vezok for poor play?

Am I reading into that correctly?
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:42 am

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Also as for Vezok. Surely, by now, if he was town, the scum teams would have fought to have him lynched? He's been coasting along. As town, a player like him would have been dragged out by the scum for sure.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:10 pm

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In post 879, Otolia wrote:
For the time being : VOTE: MattP for thinking he can cruise through Day 4 like if it were Day 1.

I haven't played on this forum and was therefore confused by the role of gunsmith, and by voicing my confusion I am cruising through day 4? O.o
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:15 pm

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In post 900, MacDougall wrote:
AGar wrote:Ah right... MacDougall is in this game.

Man I wish I had a double dayvig right now.

And no, Vezok. That is the shittiest logic I have ever seen anyone use. And this isn't your first game. Jesus christ start playing like you have a brain please?


What on Earth does this mean? I make a post pointing out the flaws in Vezok's play so you suggest day vigging both of us while insinuating that I should be day killed for being me and follow it up with having a go at Vezok for poor play?

Am I reading into that correctly?


No. I'm suggesting I would dayvig yourself and SodaSpirit, and simply implying that Vezok's line of thought is flawed.

You've been scumming it up since Day 1, and I've already pointed this kind of thing out. You've pretty much just slid by on flawed logic and a lack of motivation to provide your own proper lines of thought so far in this game. You're scum, and I know this, so why don't you just do us a favor and out your buddies?
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:32 pm

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In post 887, AGar wrote:VOTE: SodaSpirit

No consistency in his reads whatsoever
Going with the popular flow
Not providing any real or tangible and correct content.

Hi scum, die scum.

Oh and lolmaguausobadatthissticktobeingdaysk.


Magua suggests that you are scum, so instead of actually posting anything of worth to convince us otherwise you just disregard his entire post?


AGar wrote:
In post 900, MacDougall wrote:
AGar wrote:Ah right... MacDougall is in this game.

Man I wish I had a double dayvig right now.

And no, Vezok. That is the shittiest logic I have ever seen anyone use. And this isn't your first game. Jesus christ start playing like you have a brain please?


What on Earth does this mean? I make a post pointing out the flaws in Vezok's play so you suggest day vigging both of us while insinuating that I should be day killed for being me and follow it up with having a go at Vezok for poor play?

Am I reading into that correctly?


No. I'm suggesting I would dayvig yourself and SodaSpirit, and simply implying that Vezok's line of thought is flawed.

You've been scumming it up since Day 1, and I've already pointed this kind of thing out. You've pretty much just slid by on flawed logic and a lack of motivation to provide your own proper lines of thought so far in this game. You're scum, and I know this, so why don't you just do us a favor and out your buddies?


Point out the flawed logic?

So you don't think Vezok is scum? How could you not think he was scum? He has the scummiest post history in the game. Anyone with no role knowledge would have to assume he was scum. You're given a chance to, and you opt to suggest he has a "flawed line of thinking" instead of being scum. Bad play scum guy. Bad play.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:24 pm

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Cough cough.
Lynch Vezok.
HE NEVER SAID HE IS A COP.

He is just playing stupid hoping someone dies. Next thing you know tomorrow after SC town flip he comes and says. Oh sorry guys I was just a watcher, tracker, whatever and I thought by my flavor that he could be scum.

Vote: Vezok

This is the most obvious defending ever.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:05 pm

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In post 904, MacDougall wrote:
In post 887, AGar wrote:VOTE: SodaSpirit

No consistency in his reads whatsoever
Going with the popular flow
Not providing any real or tangible and correct content.

Hi scum, die scum.

Oh and lolmaguausobadatthissticktobeingdaysk.


Magua suggests that you are scum, so instead of actually posting anything of worth to convince us otherwise you just disregard his entire post?


Yes, because honestly his case is "Among the people who believed the cop claim, two of them are arbitrarily scum, and these two are the two I say are scum."

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AGar wrote:
In post 900, MacDougall wrote:
AGar wrote:Ah right... MacDougall is in this game.

Man I wish I had a double dayvig right now.

And no, Vezok. That is the shittiest logic I have ever seen anyone use. And this isn't your first game. Jesus christ start playing like you have a brain please?


What on Earth does this mean? I make a post pointing out the flaws in Vezok's play so you suggest day vigging both of us while insinuating that I should be day killed for being me and follow it up with having a go at Vezok for poor play?

Am I reading into that correctly?


No. I'm suggesting I would dayvig yourself and SodaSpirit, and simply implying that Vezok's line of thought is flawed.

You've been scumming it up since Day 1, and I've already pointed this kind of thing out. You've pretty much just slid by on flawed logic and a lack of motivation to provide your own proper lines of thought so far in this game. You're scum, and I know this, so why don't you just do us a favor and out your buddies?


Point out the flawed logic?

So you don't think Vezok is scum? How could you not think he was scum? He has the scummiest post history in the game. Anyone with no role knowledge would have to assume he was scum. You're given a chance to, and you opt to suggest he has a "flawed line of thinking" instead of being scum. Bad play scum guy. Bad play.


Hmm. Flawed logic is things like on D4 voting for a well-known VI for having a "scummy" post-history (lol context? NOT IMPORTANT BRO, FULL SPEED AHEAD!). Flawed logic is things like "I'm not behind either of the cases on current wagon leaders, so instead of finding my own suspects and pushing them, I'm going to vote to no-lynch." If you're town, neither of these things are acceptable.

No, I don't think Vezok is scum. He's well-known as being a VI on the site, and he tends to have scummy post histories on the surface. If you can't read through that, then that blows for you, but I'm pretty confident in him just being failtown right now.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:18 pm

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How is me (a second gamer) voting for a player with a scummy post history, flawed logic? That just goes without saying? How am I to know that he is a well known village idiot? As for the no-lynch... I still don't get the problem. I was unaware that no lynch is auto scum. If no lynch is auto scum then why is it even there? I'm sorry but both of your points are simply a case of me being new to the play on this site. I figured that if I had nobody to vote for, then I'd be better off not voting at all than voting for someone for a bullshit reason. I guess I should have just left my vote off completely, but it never occurred to me that doing that was any different to voting for a no lynch. Besides, I ended up voting anyway.

So he has scummy post histories on the surface? Okay then, since I am seeing them at face value, and am not alone in that, I guess it means you are the one that should explain why the reads we are making on his posts are what you say they are. He only has about 7 posts, so it won't take long.
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:37 pm

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In post 907, MacDougall wrote:How is me (a second gamer) voting for a player with a scummy post history, flawed logic? That just goes without saying? How am I to know that he is a well known village idiot? As for the no-lynch... I still don't get the problem. I was unaware that no lynch is auto scum. If no lynch is auto scum then why is it even there? I'm sorry but both of your points are simply a case of me being new to the play on this site. I figured that if I had nobody to vote for, then I'd be better off not voting at all than voting for someone for a bullshit reason. I guess I should have just left my vote off completely, but it never occurred to me that doing that was any different to voting for a no lynch. Besides, I ended up voting anyway.

So he has scummy post histories on the surface? Okay then, since I am seeing them at face value, and am not alone in that, I guess it means you are the one that should explain why the reads we are making on his posts are what you say they are. He only has about 7 posts, so it won't take long.


If you're town, lynches are your strongest weapon. Stronger than any cop, doc, vig or anything else, a lynch is the only way to kill scum surefire. By no-lynching in a situation where there isn't reasonable cause, you are wasting towns strongest weapon. Unless you yourself are a vig, you should assume that there is no vig and the only way for town to kill scum is by lynching. If you are not satisfied with the lynch options, you
find a new lynch and push it until it either goes through or utterly fails and you merge to a compromise wagon.


Vezok, there is no solid "explanation." You just know after playing umpteen games with him whether it's time for him to die or not. He posts with failing logic on a repetitive basis and generally does things that make you smack your head in frustration. People mistake this for scumplay but he pretty much does it regardless of alignment. He could be a mod-confirmed innocent child and he's still. post. the. same. way. Statistically the odds are in favor of him being town over scum, so - as with any general VI - your best course of action 9 times out of 10 is to leave him be and force scum to waste their kill on him or wait for him to slip hard and lead you to his buddies. They play in an characteristically unreadable manner, and you simply look for that one 'aha' moment.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:21 pm

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In post 895, Otolia wrote:
Which brings me to point out kdowns, Nero Cain, SodaSpirit along with manho for blindly following the wagon. If you voted against MattP for my reasons, then you are doing the same thing that you accuse him of, if you have another reason, please tell us.

Following? Yes.

Blindly? No

His vote on EMP is a weak link and its his first post in the game so was he just lurking for 21 pages then see's the Emp wagon and votes or what?

His vote on Shinki in 760 sucks b/c he's using reasons from before his 522 which lends merit to the theory that he didn't read and just blindly voted EMP.

Does the same with MacDougall.

Hey Matt can you link me to same past games?

Though it does give me great pause that Soda and Manho are also voting him but given this is a possible multiball game then I don't really care if scum vote other scum.

EC's not knowing what a gunsmith is seems fake. He's been here since 2009.
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:00 am

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In post 909, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 895, Otolia wrote:
Which brings me to point out kdowns, Nero Cain, SodaSpirit along with manho for blindly following the wagon. If you voted against MattP for my reasons, then you are doing the same thing that you accuse him of, if you have another reason, please tell us.

Hey Matt can you link me to same past games?

Though it does give me great pause that Soda and Manho are also voting him but given this is a possible multiball game then I don't really care if scum vote other scum.

EC's not knowing what a gunsmith is seems fake. He's been here since 2009.

Are you referring to me? This is only my second game on this forum. My first was in the Newbie Corner with only three power roles available, none of which were Gunsmith.

My point is that I posted once with something I was confused about. I want to know where you think I am cruising. I simply want to know so that I can figure out how to improve my game in the future, because I was not intending whatsoever to "cruise".
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:05 am

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Spoiler: Background
Political Movements


The twentieth century, only twenty years in, has already been a time of great change in Avalon. Monarchies - and the remnants of monarchies past - are being swept away. Traditional religious and political thought are being replaced by newer philosophies, more conservative and liberal on the sliding scales. The three dominant political philosophies - in practice and on the horizon - are currently Nationalism, Socialism, and Republicanism. Republicanism is by far the most moderate of the three. It found a home in Arkania in the mid-18th century, and Arkania has been its bastion ever since. The more moderate, Republican governments in Benneria and Jukara have either collapsed or been thrown into great turmoil since their defeat in the Great War. Hordes of returning soldiers, laid off from the military and traditional jobs lost while away at war, formed or were absorbed into dangerous organized crime syndicates, making their living illegally where they could not by letter of the law. The Jukaran government has already collapsed to revolutionaries; the Terran Empire faces a three-way civil war; Bennerian and Arkanian law enforcement struggles to combat this new wave of crime. Nevertheless, Republicanism represents a midway point in political philsophy - more progressive than the monarchies of old, but not nearly as zealous as the revolutionary ideals that arise from the ashes of the Great War.

Nationalism has its roots in - where else? - the Duranic Imperium. The Duran have, over centuries, developed a strange "national persecution complex," being the center of many wars and opposing coalitions over the course of its history. Combining with the rather unusual "assimilation ideal" of Duranic culture, Duranic-flavored Nationalism promotes the strength of the
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's military, industry, and society against the enemies all around that seek to destroy it. As such, it has promoted - and been heavily associated with - autocracy. The growing Nationalist Party within the Duranic political structure believes in returning the position of Primarch to once again having total power, rather than generally being an ineffective figurehead wielded by the Senatorial
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. There is also a strong emphasis on "racial superiority" - the drive to conquer other peoples and assimilate the best parts of traits of their cultures, reminiscent of the First Empire's ancient philosophy.

Nationalism is also very prevalent in the Terran Empire, where it is one of the three major factions in its raging civil war. Terran-flavored Nationalism differs from the Duran. Though they suffer from the same "nation persecution complex" - a sad result of bitter defeat in the Great War - the Terrans believe more in the superiority of the Terran race and culture over all others, most especially the Duran. The Terran Nationalist Party believes in total party control of the state's military and industry - another product of the long, corrupt monarchy that was recently overthrown - over total autocracy. The Party would mobilize this military and industry against the state's enemies - the Duran, of course - and cleanse the world and Terran race of this grave national and ethnic threat.

Socialism is the second revolutionary ideal of the twentieth century, the product of nineteenth century "progressive" philosophers. Socialists believe in collective control of government and industry by society itself, hence its name. Socialism is the philosophy most associated with revolution, that revolution being by the lower classes to throw off the rich, monarchist oppressors. Socialist thought was quashed in the latter half of the nineteenth century, but the ideal endured, and has recently found a new home in Jukara, where Socialist revolution overthrew the republican government. It is yet to be seen whether Socialist philosophy will lead to true social and economic progress.


Votecount 4.1


MattP
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Otolia, Nero Cain, SodaSpirit17, manho
Otolia
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vezokpiraka, PeregrineV
vezokpiraka
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MacDougall, EtherealCookie
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AGar

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whispersilk, Bogre, mbstokem, kdowns, MattP

With 15 alive it takes
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Deadline for today is
November 1, 2011


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Sorry. I completely forgot about this game over the two consecutive nights. I will have a catch up tonight and post tomorrow.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:00 am

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Sorry, just been lurking trying to figure out the mechanics of this type of mafia.

I've played with MattP before and he seems scummy to me from what I've read. Just my two cents though

VOTE: MattP
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:03 am

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EC's not knowing what a gunsmith is seems fake. He's been here since 2009.

Maybe if you actually did some background checking you'd realize I've actually had very little playtime for someone who has been here since 2009.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:24 am

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In post 914, mbstokem wrote:Sorry, just been lurking trying to figure out the mechanics of this type of mafia.

I've played with MattP before and he seems scummy to me from what I've read. Just my two cents though

VOTE: MattP


What mechanics would that be?

Can you point to specific scummy posts of MattP? Right now he looks newbie to me, but if every prodded lurker pops in to dump a vote on the person with the most votes, we're going to lose this game.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:03 pm

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I know what he is saying. We have played on another forum together where I am more aggressive. Since I am not playing that way I assume he thinks I am scummy. However, the reason I am not playing that way is because I don't know anyone here and am more reluctant to play the way I am comfortable playing yet.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:21 pm

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In post 917, MattP wrote:I know what he is saying. We have played on another forum together where I am more aggressive. Since I am not playing that way I assume he thinks I am scummy. However, the reason I am not playing that way is because I don't know anyone here and am more reluctant to play the way I am comfortable playing yet.


Yeah, but scum zeroes in on that shit and goes for blood.

Get aggressive.
Scumhunt.
Make scum work to lynch you.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:37 pm

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In post 909, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 895, Otolia wrote:
Which brings me to point out kdowns, Nero Cain, SodaSpirit along with manho for blindly following the wagon. If you voted against MattP for my reasons, then you are doing the same thing that you accuse him of, if you have another reason, please tell us.

Following? Yes.

Blindly? No

His vote on EMP is a weak link and its his first post in the game so was he just lurking for 21 pages then see's the Emp wagon and votes or what?

His vote on Shinki in 760 sucks b/c he's using reasons from before his 522 which lends merit to the theory that he didn't read and just blindly voted EMP.

Does the same with MacDougall.

Hey Matt can you link me to same past games?

Though it does give me great pause that Soda and Manho are also voting him but given this is a possible multiball game then I don't really care if scum vote other scum.

EC's not knowing what a gunsmith is seems fake. He's been here since 2009.

Just fully understood this.

My vote on Empking was my first post because I was unable to get online and post before that due to RL. After reading up I decided that Empking was the best choice, and guess what? He was scum.

My vote on Shinki was not a vote to actually get her lynched, it was a vote because apparently on this forum when people want to get a response from someone they vote for them to spur them to do so. I had a question for her I wanted answered, I was just following how everyone else does it.

My vote on MacDougall? That was not a bad vote. I said explicitly in the post where I voted that I was doing so based on previous conversatin about him and outlined the posts that convinced me.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:39 pm

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By the way, how exactly is MacDougall not mafia?
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:56 pm

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In post 909, Nero Cain wrote:
EC's not knowing what a gunsmith is seems fake. He's been here since 2009.


As have I, yet I only learned of the role itself since earlier this year. Let's not pick random bullshit out of thin air here.

This post and this post are both really really bad.

Don't answer questions for other players.

Conditionally, if mbstokem is scum, there is an improved chance of MattP scum as well. Independently, I'm not sold on MattP. Tcl gave me null vibes, so I'm not 100% on this theory yet.

Magua just seems more and more off as time goes by. Especially with the whole drop in, make some bold statements, and then activate his turbolurk. Plus Peregrine reads as townier than scummier here.

In post 920, MattP wrote:By the way, how exactly is MacDougall not mafia?


He is. But SodaSpirit is more in need of rope right now.

MattP wagon is a bad wagon, please & thank you. Either that or someone bring in a case better than "He's trying to coast!"
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:58 pm

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Could you kindly fix my closing url tag in #921? That would rock if you could (I forgot the L). Thanks broseph.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:16 pm

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In post 323, SodaSpirit17 wrote:SleepyKrew... seriously?

unvote
Vote: SleepyKrew for being an idiot
unvote
Vote: DavidX. Sure whainaut

Why did you vote for David then? Actual reasoning please. No bullshit like, "whainot". SleepyKrew dayvigd Samantha on a horrible whim and then says, "Ohay ever1 lez kill diz gui" and you just shrug and vote? Scummy scummy scum scum.
In post 338, SodaSpirit17 wrote:
In post 328, Otolia wrote:It's so tempting to hammer SK to get rid of him ... but I believe he his aligned with me.


QFT. However, if we want to take the risk, we could. It might not pay off though. I don't see any of his actions at all to be towny.

It
might
not pay off? You mean lynching the player that just proved he was a day vig may perhaps not pay off? Of course it wouldn't pay off.

These two posts make me think Soda is scum. I'm going to try and be more vocal now about my reads. Apologies.
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:16 pm

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