The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[ooba]

@Mist - Yup. I decided let's unvote my buddy when he's close to lynch (after deciding to bus him the entire day) so that when he dies, I'll be lynched next

The fact that the wagon is again stalled on Kanye is still bothering me,

and I also have very negative feelings about how Kanye has played, and how he has interacted with me in particular, because I think I gave him lots of opportunities to change my mind in D1 and he didn’t even try, and his whole “either both or neither” comment today really bothers me, as does his timing and reactive rather than proactive play. I think it’s equally logical that he is scum based on these things

and the fact that a lot of the defense (self and otherwise) of Kanye is tied up in speculation of other possibilities rather than in more concrete evidences.

This seems to setup a "Kanye was a bad player" position after his mislynch.

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Unofficial Vote count
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kanyeknowsbest - 6 -

Wraith

, mockingjaye, Andrius, Will-o-wisp, Empking,

Sun and Moon

VitaminR - 6 - Herodotus, Gut,

Feysal, Furcolow, kanyeknowsbest

,

ooba

S&M - MagnaofIllusion
Furcolow - 1 - Espeonage
Feysal - 1 - Dekes
Dekes - 1 - VitaminR
Wraith - 1 -

Mastermind of Sin

Mastermind of Sin - 1 -

gandalf5166

Will-o-wisp - 2 -

SpyreX

Not Voting (1): Ellibereth

With 20 alive it will take 10 votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 will be (expired on 2011-10-13 11:59:59)

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[ooba]

Btw I'll be here till deadline to switch for a lynch if necessary.

[Mastermind of Sin]

V/LA over the weekend.

Ooba, what's the color-coding for?

@MasterOS: You say that talking about game theory in a way that results in reads is a form of scumhunting. But I dont remember you making any accusations based on the idea of gandalf as a jester or MagnaOI as maybe-faking the QT.

Game theory influenced my reads on both gandalf and MoI...

[ooba]

Ooba, what's the color-coding for?

People Feysal shouldn't shoot.

[ooba]

Also choose and vote one of the two!

[MagnaofIllusion]

kanyeknowsbest - 6 - Wraith, mockingjaye, Andrius, Will-o-wisp, Empking, Sun and Moon
VitaminR - 6 - Herodotus, Gut, Feysal, Furcolow, kanyeknowsbest, ooba

Well deadline is in about 3 hours. No movement on Sun and Moon who are obviously scum based on Amrun’s last post.

Neither player has been at the top of my scum reads list but both have made moves that I find scummy.

Kayne has more Town reads on this wagon – mockingjaye, Andy

The only vaguely Town read I have on VitaminR is Gut.

Kayne on the other hand has two solid scum reads in Emp and S&M with WoW trailing in the possible scum category and Wraith being a low producer who needs dead.

Vitamin on the other hand has two claimed 3rd parties and kayne who is in my possible scum category.

At this point I don’t want a no-lynch. Either wagon will do since neither are Town reads.

UNVOTE: Sun and Moon
VOTE: VitaminR

I will be around to move to Kayne if necessary.

[ooba]

Unofficial Vote count
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kanyeknowsbest (L-4) - 6 -

Wraith

, mockingjaye, Andrius, Will-o-wisp, Empking,

Sun and Moon

VitaminR (L-3) - 7 - Herodotus, Gut,

Feysal, Furcolow, kanyeknowsbest

,

ooba

, MagnaofIllusion

Useless singleton votes (7) - Espeonage, Dekes, VitaminR,

Mastermind of Sin

,

gandalf5166

,

SpyreX

, Ellibereth

With 20 alive it will take 10 votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 will be (expired on 2011-10-13 11:59:59)

Dekes is awol
I'm assuming VitR will come in an vote kanye so we need three more votes either way
MoS better vote since he made an appearance
Gandalf, SpyreX, elli, espeonage need to make it to the thread right away

[Gut]

We are here to switch our vote if it comes to that. We'd rather see VitR hang though.

[VitaminR]

Thanks for this, CES and chamber. Seriously, if this happens, it is all on you.

Unvote, Vote: kanye

, btw.

[VitaminR]

I don't even understand what this wagon is about. No one but Herodotus and Gut have offered me ANY reasons at all.

[Empking]

Unvote, Vote: Vtr

[mockingjaye]

Ooba, go back and read my D1 posts. I'm not saying anything about him that I haven't already made perfectly clear.

[ooba]

@VitR: Simple. Of the two possible lynches, I'm leaning towards town-kanye while you are a scum possibility for me.

@empking: Why the move? Both were equal on votes?

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Unofficial Vote count
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kanyeknowsbest (L-4) - 6 -

Wraith

, mockingjaye, Andrius, Will-o-wisp,

Sun and Moon

, VitaminR
VitaminR (L-2) - 8 - Herodotus, Gut,

Feysal, Furcolow, kanyeknowsbest

,

ooba

, MagnaofIllusion, Empking

Useless singleton votes (7) - Espeonage, Dekes,

Mastermind of Sin

,

gandalf5166

,

SpyreX

, Ellibereth

With 20 alive it will take 10 votes to lynch.[/size]

Deadline for Day 2 will be (expired on 2011-10-13 11:59:59)

[ooba]

@Vit - You should claim.

[VitaminR]

ooba, the last minute switches I don't hold against anyone. I probably haven't earned a town read and I'm leaning towards town kanye myself.

[VitaminR]

I know, I should. But it's going to just seal my lynch.

I'm a VT.

[VitaminR]

Btw, chamber, for what it's worth, these are my reads:

Poss scum:
Herodotus - this dude has been voting on me very little (LIKE SOMEONE ELSE I KNOW), but without even having finished the thread, also very reminiscent of Copper in 318 -> scum
Dekes - terrible Pere switch, but somehow got out of it by lurking -> scum
mockingjaye - MoS is right about her, she's been voteparking on kanye, a lot of content, very little intuition - feels like a logical scum player

Not sure:
Wraith - was leaning scum, but don't really know his playstyle very well, tbh, didn't really pay attention to him (mostly think he's scum for being suspicious of me opportunistically)
kanyeknowsbest - shouldn't really have earned a town read, but leaning town because his paranoia strikes sincere
Empking - terrible suspicions of me, but feels like a player I would generally disagree with

Probably harmless:
Andrius - feels town, but not superfamiliar with his playstyle, could be pulling the wool over my eyes
gandalf5166

Never trust:
Feysal
Furcolow

No real idea:
Ellibereth
Espeonage
Will-o-wisp - felt scummy initially, but dropped some town tells that I now forget

Town:
ooba (replacing Magister Ludi) - TOWN, the switch towards Espeonage and the call to sheep is not something scum would do
MagnaofIllusion - TOWN
Mastermind of Sin - town, and don't let Magna tell you otherwise - MoS is always light on logic, high on gut and stubborn
SpyreX - town, unless the whole princess thing was fake, but it was too annoying to be fake really
Sun and Moon - lurking is not a put-on and Amrun feels like town-Amrun to me

[ooba]

Damnit - that seals my earlier belief that espeonage was a better lynch.

My list would be the same as yours:
- Hero
- espeonage instead of Dekes
- Mjaye
And probably MoI.

Part of the reason I went espeonage over you was because Hero was on your wagon & positions taken by the others. I mean Mjaye doesn't really mention you at all but places espeon third on her scum list which looked like what scum would do. Plus Hero thinks "espeo is playing poorly"..

If we lose this, I blame the townies who didn't sheep me ..

[Gut]

Why aren't we on the list? And why isn't Andrius on the "No real idea" pile due to his claimed amnesia?

[mockingjaye]

OOba, if you go back and read my posts you would see Espeonage and Empking have been on my list since D1.

[Gut]

Sorry if you flip town vit! You've successfully guilted me into oblivion, so well done if you are scum.

If we lose this, I blame the townies who didn't sheep me ..

It's only day 2, get over yourself.

[VitaminR]

He could be lying about any old thing. Most drastically, for instance, he could already be scum.

I didn't put you on the list because I was addressing you and I'm pretty sure you're town. I don't think either of you would do this as scum, pick me out early like out and hound me for no real good reason.

Btw, the only way I'm excusing this from either of you is if you're a goddamn lyncher for me or something.

[VitaminR]

Sorry if you flip town vit! You've successfully guilted me into oblivion, so well done if you are scum.

Sorry about that, I'm just frustrated because I kinda feel I never got a chance at this game. It takes me a while to settle into large games and get going. Also, you made my lynch happen by just repeating that I should hang! That doesn't feel great. And part of me was also hoping Faraday or Mina would give me cool powers at some point or something.

[VitaminR]

Damnit - that seals my earlier belief that espeonage was a better lynch.

My list would be the same as yours:
- Hero
- espeonage instead of Dekes
- Mjaye
And probably MoI.

Part of the reason I went espeonage over you was because Hero was on your wagon & positions taken by the others. I mean Mjaye doesn't really mention you at all but places espeon third on her scum list which looked like what scum would do. Plus Hero thinks "espeo is playing poorly"..

If we lose this, I blame the townies who didn't sheep me ..

MoI isn't scum, though. Your espeo read I could get behind, but you're wrong about Magna.

[Herodotus]

Btw I'll be here till deadline to switch for a lynch if necessary.