Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[Magua]

@Peregrine:

OK I GET IT I'M BLIND. HAPPY?

No, seriously. With the roleblocker and bus driver claimed, I want sorgster to agree to trade the 100% Investigate to bv310.

I see many. 1. One of those could have been the target and could have been either protected/bulletproof.etc.

If there was doctor/busdriver interaction, then it means mafia shot the person who the doctor protected (since both the kill and the protect would get bus-driven). Similarly, the only way bulletproof protected was if the mafia shot the person who had bulletproof. In both of these cases, it does not matter one whit if there was a bus-drive or not -- a protect only occurs if the mafia shoots the person who is protected.

I refuse to agree to giving away my investigate. The chance of giving is to scum is possible. You can validate my answers after I hang next day phase.
I dislike how you seem to be assuming bv is conftown. There is a possibility of a godfather and a lying soda. The lying soda is more possible as soda seems very suspicious at the moment.

1. Voided claimed the innocent on bv310, not Soda.
2. The chance of bv310 being godfather is much, much, *much* lower than the chance that you are simply mafia. bv310 being non-godfather mafia only works if both bv310 and Voidedmafia are mafia.
3. bv310, even with his lurkeriffic ways and me wanting to lynch him D1, is more trusted by me (and, I'll wager, the town at large) than you at this point.

If you make the trade with bv310, you can specify in the agreement who you want him to investigate. Making him investigate *you* should be an absolutely splendid idea if you're town.

[bv310]

I approve of this plan, but I have this weird suspicion that I won't get a result off anyway.

[Magua]

Why is that? Peregrine has both the roleblocker and the busdriver. It's impossible for you to *not* get a result unless Peregrine is mafia, which he's not.

[bv310]

I mean that if Scum have an NK (which I still think they do), I'm eating a bullet tonight sooooooo quick.

[Voidedmafia]

Grey, you got that wrong -_-. Soda claimed the town investigation on bv. I just tried documenting what claims we had.

[Magua]

Grey, you got that wrong -_-. Soda claimed the town investigation on bv. I just tried documenting what claims we had.

You're right. Mai bad. Soda is town then.

[Shanba]

post 115 Where daphne claims the nightkill for the first time

post 121 Where daphne reaffirms his claim of the nightkill.

I didn't explain cuz work got in the way <_<. That, and I didn't feel like linking up most of his posts A1 and D1.

Its not about linking all his posts, its that you literally didn't explain at all - at the very least, something along the lines of "He was spamming a lot and trolling a lot". Honestly, there is very very little that is actually scummy in those early posts, so the implication that it was just too much to do is simply mindboggling. Do the damned legwork and tell me what you actually thought was scummy in those posts, please - something you

still

havent done, and which remains relevant as the player slot is still in the game (uncledaphne is replaced by greyice).

If uncledaphne was so god damn scummy, why has everyone stopped voting him now he's replaced out? I suspect the wagon was partly driven by antagonism to uncledaphne personally (which is poor play, but whatever) but there were a few people legitimately asserting, and voidedmafia is among them, that daphne's actions were indicative of scumminess. These people need to do some explaining.

Soda - why are you giving daphne's replacement a clean slate?

Soda's investigation on

beverly

bv looks really townish to me.

[Voidedmafia]

Oh, right. Need to follow up on my D1 promise. Silly me.

Vote: GreyICE

One thing was already clear: Town would not spend 15 points on just one thing. No point at all. Oh, and he also tried claiming NK, doc, AND Bus Driver when it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to do that if he really did spend 15 points on the NK.

Wanna know why I haven't voted his slot after he replaced out? Cuz as paranoid as I am about GreyICE, he actually has posts with townvibes. Or did you miss that?

[Lurconis]

Grey, you got that wrong -_-. Soda claimed the town investigation on bv. I just tried documenting what claims we had.

You're right. Mai bad. Soda is town then.

Cause scum can't clear someone for town points?

[Voidedmafia]

He's still gonna die tomorrow, and as Grey said, if he flips scum we can dismiss his investigation as WIFOM.

If he doesn't, there's another conftown along with bv.

[Lurconis]

He's still gonna die tomorrow, and as Grey said, if he flips scum we can dismiss his investigation as WIFOM.

If he doesn't, there's another conftown along with bv.

I think your confusing soda and sorg

[Magua]

Cause scum can't clear someone for town points?

Soda-scum certainly can't, no.

[Voidedmafia]

Lurc: Sorg has the investigation and Soda's our current lynch candidate, right?

So, assuming we lynch Soda today are Sorg tomorrow, Sorg investigates someone tonight, and should he flip scum tomorrow after revealing his investigation (which he should do in his first post the next day regardless of what'll happen to him), we can dismiss the investigation as WIFOM because, as scum, we don't know if he's lying about it or not.

Should Sorg flip town tomorrow, then we'll have another confirm.

(This assumes that the current track I'm seeing of lyching Soda today and Sorg tomorrow will still hold. The only two things that I see as constant is that Sorg reveals his investigation tomorrow ASAP, and that Sorg's investigation is WIFOM should he flip scum unless he flips town or someone confirms him).

Magua: Point.

[sorgster]

@Peregrine:

OK I GET IT I'M BLIND. HAPPY?

No, seriously. With the roleblocker and bus driver claimed, I want sorgster to agree to trade the 100% Investigate to bv310.

I see many. 1. One of those could have been the target and could have been either protected/bulletproof.etc.

If there was doctor/busdriver interaction, then it means mafia shot the person who the doctor protected (since both the kill and the protect would get bus-driven). Similarly, the only way bulletproof protected was if the mafia shot the person who had bulletproof. In both of these cases, it does not matter one whit if there was a bus-drive or not -- a protect only occurs if the mafia shoots the person who is protected.

I refuse to agree to giving away my investigate. The chance of giving is to scum is possible. You can validate my answers after I hang next day phase.
I dislike how you seem to be assuming bv is conftown. There is a possibility of a godfather and a lying soda. The lying soda is more possible as soda seems very suspicious at the moment.

1. Voided claimed the innocent on bv310, not Soda.
2. The chance of bv310 being godfather is much, much, *much* lower than the chance that you are simply mafia. bv310 being non-godfather mafia only works if both bv310 and Voidedmafia are mafia.
3. bv310, even with his lurkeriffic ways and me wanting to lynch him D1, is more trusted by me (and, I'll wager, the town at large) than you at this point.

If you make the trade with bv310, you can specify in the agreement who you want him to investigate. Making him investigate *you* should be an absolutely splendid idea if you're town.

1.It was soda(#339)
2.I found it funny soda thought of godfather, buddies maybe?
3, If soda is scum, bv is very likely to be scum. I don't want to give my items to scum. Also, if I was scum, wouldn't I prefer giving investigate or letting a scumbuddy claim the investigate instead and let them use it on me?

[Magua]

1.It was soda(#339)2.I found it funny soda thought of godfather, buddies maybe?3, If soda is scum, bv is very likely to be scum. I don't want to give my items to scum. Also, if I was scum, wouldn't I prefer giving investigate or letting a scumbuddy claim the investigate instead and let them use it on me?

Scum have every incentive not to give an investigation away, because then they can't lie about the results. Can't fake a guilty on a town, can't fake an inno on a buddy.

You're super suspicious of soda and bv being scum which is improbable at best. So force bv310 to investigate you with the bargain -- this is mod confirmed to work.

Either bv310 says you're inno tomorrow, in which case, you don't get lynched (this should be good for you), or bv310 says you're guilty, you get lynched, and then (if you flip town) bv310 gets lynched, and if he doesn't flip godfather, Soda gets lynched.

You not wanting to trade the investigation, and specifically you not wanting to be investigated, seriously reads as you simply being scum.

[GreyICE]

He's still gonna die tomorrow, and as Grey said, if he flips scum we can dismiss his investigation as WIFOM.

If he doesn't, there's another conftown along with bv.

Wouldn't this be the advice of scum, since you're voting for me?

[sorgster]

1.It was soda(#339)2.I found it funny soda thought of godfather, buddies maybe?3, If soda is scum, bv is very likely to be scum. I don't want to give my items to scum. Also, if I was scum, wouldn't I prefer giving investigate or letting a scumbuddy claim the investigate instead and let them use it on me?

Scum have every incentive not to give an investigation away, because then they can't lie about the results. Can't fake a guilty on a town, can't fake an inno on a buddy.

You're super suspicious of soda and bv being scum which is improbable at best. So force bv310 to investigate you with the bargain -- this is mod confirmed to work.

Either bv310 says you're inno tomorrow, in which case, you don't get lynched (this should be good for you), or bv310 says you're guilty, you get lynched, and then (if you flip town) bv310 gets lynched, and if he doesn't flip godfather, Soda gets lynched.

You not wanting to trade the investigation, and specifically you not wanting to be investigated, seriously reads as you simply being scum.

I'll do what I wish with the items I purchase. If soda is scum, then it is very likely bv is scum. I don't feel like giving items away to scum. I have an idea in my head about who I want to investigate(refuse to say who) and am planning to do so this night phase.

[Magua]

Confirm

VOTE: sorgster

[GreyICE]

No good, Sorg.

You can trade it to anyone with the condition that they investigate who you want to investigate.

Vote: Sorgester

[sorgster]

No good, Sorg.

You can trade it to anyone with the condition that they investigate who you want to investigate.

Vote: Sorgester

I'll happily accept death next day phase. I just have a suspicion on someone who I wish to confirm. I really wish to use the investigate then. If I give my investigate away with that condition, then I eat the bullet tonight. If not, I might find scum and eat the bullet in the day phase. I prefer the day phase death.

[hiplop]

eh why is soda clear? I've been pretty damn ill last few days and am kind of out of it!

sorg seems like townsorg to me, sort of. Check out newbie 1137 or Neruzian era mafia for townsorg...

[Magua]

I'll happily accept death next day phase. I just have a suspicion on someone who I wish to confirm. I really wish to use the investigate then. If I give my investigate away with that condition, then I eat the bullet tonight. If not, I might find scum and eat the bullet in the day phase. I prefer the day phase death.

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

You think you might eat a bullet if you *don't* have the investigation, but you're unconcerned about eating the bullet if you *do* have the investigation?

Just die.

eh why is soda clear? I've been pretty damn ill last few days and am kind of out of it!

sorg seems like townsorg to me, sort of. Check out newbie 1137 or Neruzian era mafia for townsorg...

Don't believe Soda-scum would offer up the innocent on bv310-town when I was gunning for his blood yesterday. I can see Soda-scum offering up an innocent on bv310-scum, but that ties them together so hard if one falls that the other is guaranteed to get lynched, so I'm willing to ignore it for now.

[sorgster]

I'll happily accept death next day phase. I just have a suspicion on someone who I wish to confirm. I really wish to use the investigate then. If I give my investigate away with that condition, then I eat the bullet tonight. If not, I might find scum and eat the bullet in the day phase. I prefer the day phase death.

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

You think you might eat a bullet if you *don't* have the investigation, but you're unconcerned about eating the bullet if you *do* have the investigation?

Just die.

eh why is soda clear? I've been pretty damn ill last few days and am kind of out of it!

sorg seems like townsorg to me, sort of. Check out newbie 1137 or Neruzian era mafia for townsorg...

Don't believe Soda-scum would offer up the innocent on bv310-town when I was gunning for his blood yesterday. I can see Soda-scum offering up an innocent on bv310-scum, but that ties them together so hard if one falls that the other is guaranteed to get lynched, so I'm willing to ignore it for now.

Suppose scum see me agreeing to do that deal you guys proposed, they think it would be easiest for me to die and waste the investigation on me by someone else. If I do have the investigation, I die in the next day phase and can reveal and potential results which is better. I'm dead either way, I prefer getting a useful investigation result compared to a useless one on me or none.
Also if I agreed to give it to someone and scum killed them, scum could easily start saying I gave it, and killed them to avoid being caught and am scum which is what scum would do if I gave it to bv or anyone else unless they are actually scum.

[hiplop]

VOTE: sorg

Not sure if i trust my ill mind, and magua is a good guy so um sup

[sorgster]

Third time sheeping hiplop.