NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Hiraki]

needs to die.

nowish

[Sky]

Here's my problem with townlists. It's Day 1. There's nothing much to go off of. To find pro town traits in someone this early in the game is questionable. Yes, there are people who are more town than others, and people who are scummier. But this doesn't establish them as town. Now, I need a lot of reading to do and seeing that is the weekend, I don't have the time to do it.

[popsofctown]

And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

lol. PR hunting, really?

[popsofctown]

PR hunting is almost impossible. The changed wincon is what makes scumhunting work. Most PRs in a large normal are weaker than an Innocent Child anyhow.

[Beck]

Why we are discussing how mafia should kill?

[ThAdmiral]

And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

People who claim pr should be shot at by town too. There is a good chance scum would claim pr compared to vt because if they claim vt, town will take the risk. If they claim pr, they will have doubts about whether it is okay to lynch them or not.

Disagree. Vanilla is the most risk free claim for mafia, and therefore also the most common.

Here's my problem with townlists. It's Day 1. There's nothing much to go off of. To find pro town traits in someone this early in the game is questionable. Yes, there are people who are more town than others, and people who are scummier. But this doesn't establish them as town. Now, I need a lot of reading to do and seeing that is the weekend, I don't have the time to do it.

I also disagree with this. Not saying that reads can't change but you can sometimes get pretty clear signals about other people alignments, even on day one. I don't get how you could be up to date enough to know this is a relevant comment, but you also say you need to read and you don't comment on anything else?
I'm happy with my vote.

@ everyone else: sky is slipping under the radar pretty comfortably right now. Need moar votes on him.

[Beck]

Lots of people are slipping under the radar

[ScreamingHawk]

UNVOTE:

There really doesn't seem to be anything clear cut either way here... But Beck is pissed me off

This should be good, how did manage to do that?

Generally dickiness. Sorry reasoning isn't long, meaningful and convoluted (or 'good').

@Admiral: Why does Sky need votes anyhow?

[Beck]

well if the people who called my cases crap, would like actually explain why, I wouldn't have gotten wound up.

[bvoigt]

I think that the case againt theamat is reasonable, Hiraki is being useless and I'm pretty much the only person he's commenting on.
I have no interest in lynching either Beck or Pine.

Pops continues to be scum, now for pretending to be useful by writing a long essay about town lists.

Interesting timing there buddy

That's pretty silly. Zdenek has played scum before, and I doubt he was lurking the thread waiting for someone to mention his name. I'm actually thinking Zdenek is town here based on the angles of the attacks against him.

[Hiraki]

That's a bit WIFOMy.

[sorgster]

And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

People who claim pr should be shot at by town too. There is a good chance scum would claim pr compared to vt because if they claim vt, town will take the risk. If they claim pr, they will have doubts about whether it is okay to lynch them or not.

Disagree. Vanilla is the most risk free claim for mafia, and therefore also the most common.

In every game I've played in scum have claimed pr. Pr claims help make them seem more important.

[Beck]

I think that the case againt theamat is reasonable, Hiraki is being useless and I'm pretty much the only person he's commenting on.
I have no interest in lynching either Beck or Pine.

Pops continues to be scum, now for pretending to be useful by writing a long essay about town lists.

Interesting timing there buddy

That's pretty silly. Zdenek has played scum before, and I doubt he was lurking the thread waiting for someone to mention his name. I'm actually thinking Zdenek is town here based on the angles of the attacks against him.

Based on the angles of attack? What does this mean?

[bvoigt]

I mean that the cases on him are lousy, and I'm guessing at least one of his main attackers is scum.

[Beck]

Ok yet another person thinks the cases on him are lousy, explain why. Nobody else seems to want to.

[bvoigt]

I think this contentless bandwagon vote is scummier than Zdenek's play. "Policy lynch go," to me at least, is not "clearly a serious policy lynch."

Zdenek has played scum before, and I doubt he was lurking the thread waiting for someone to mention his name.

[Beck]

Those were not the real cases on zde

[Hiraki]

Let's translate Beck's thoughts into words!

314:"I Don't understand your case"

reads 315

316: not a real case

hmmmm.

this is delicious.

[Beck]

This IMO are the reasons for the zde votes

Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.

I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.

What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.

@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games.

Case on zdenek makes a lot of sense.
1.He goes for a serious policy lynch, tries backing it up, then says it was a joke
2.He immediately backs away from it after some pressure starts building up on him.

Case on Beck
My last post showed that his attack on zdenek about policy lynches was bad as he said he would do them himself if a certain person was playing.

[Beck]

This one too is the case on zde

So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde

1. Suggesting a PL to begin with
2. The fact he pointed to a rather weak reason for said PL
3. The fact that he votes the first person who questions him and his reason for his PL vote.

Interesting enough that's the same number of posts he has so far.

If he was joking like he claimed, he wouldn't have pinpointed the exact post number in a game, unless he had it memorized, he obviously had to go find the post.

Plus, the vote on pops, who made a content filled post in response to the PL suggestion, draws such a reaction he felt needed to vote him, not once trying to point out what was wrong with pops's post, just writes it off as "blathering"

This isn't town motivated behavior, and as such I'm thinking he needs more pressure and quite possibly lynched.

[Beck]

Let's translate Beck's thoughts into words!

314:"I Don't understand your case"

reads 315

316: not a real case

hmmmm.

this is delicious.

Are you retarded?

314- was explain why the cases on zde was bad
315 - bvoight posts about other stuff regarding zde
316 - I point out that those weren't the real cases on zde.

The real cases were made by myself and sorg. Also zed's voting the first person to point out that zde's PL suggestion was bad.

Those are the real cases.

[Hiraki]

Except those were viable cases.

Just because you won't dignify them doesn't make them invisible or anything like that.

Besides, your case with Sorg is almost identical. If someone thinks he's joking/doesn't care about the PL, there goes all chances for a lynch based on your cases.

whee.

[Beck]

So the fact he went to the game thread and actually looked for the exact post isn't proof he wasn't kidding?

If he just said said it was based on his play in that game, that's different. Taking the extra effort to get the exact post is too much work for a lolpolicy lynch joke

[Zdenek]

The suggestion of a policy lynch was a gambit. Doing something like this is not scummy. I gave a weak reason for it because it wasn't serious. That post of Sorgster's was from a recent game and it was so bizarre that I remembered it and it was easy to find. Pops was not the first person to question me on it, and I'm voting him because he's scum and that post he made that you call content filled was nothing of the sort.

[Hiraki]

So the fact he went to the game thread and actually looked for the exact post isn't proof he wasn't kidding?

If he just said said it was based on his play in that game, that's different. Taking the extra effort to get the exact post is too much work for a lolpolicy lynch joke

You know, people can do this extraordinary thing.

It's called lying.