NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

With the exception of my little outburst, everything I have said makes perfect fucking sense, so let me ask you something, are you opposed to puttying pressure on hiraki or shattered? Those two have stupid posted all game, hell I beleive Shattered is voting you even and called you conf.scum.

You ignored him, I tried to defend myself.

See the difference and why I think you are scum?

You are hoping people change off you instead of challenging them to provide reasons. You don't.

[Revenus]

You thinking people are scum really doesn't matter to me, since you've attacked almost half the playerbase at this point for retarded reasons.

[Revenus]

And your outburst lasted for about 60 posts, and it was the very definition of stupid posting, so we should be voting you.

[Pine]

Revenus, please stop feeding the troll.

[Beck]

Revenus, please stop feeding the troll.

Tell me what's wrong with pressuring a lurky scummy person, and tell me why it's acceptable to not defend yourself when people vote you.

Until you can explain those, I'd appreciate you not calling me a troll.

@ rev, the ONLY person I know who isn't scum is me, so PRESSURING people is how I determine who is scum. I'll vote all 21 people if I have to, if I feel they have warranted a vote.

You don't need a super strong reason to pressure vote somebody, you do realize that right?

I don't know why I have to explain this again.

[Revenus]

Ok. but you do realize a large part of convincing people in this game to vote with you is your credibility. When you admit to suspecting everyone at once without considering their post content, then you lose all of your credibilty, which by the way, you have already.

[Beck]

mod, id like pine to either be forced replaced or forced to stop calling me a troll

P.edit, I vote cause somebody says or does something scummy, that really loses credibility? It shouldn't.

People who ignore scummy postings are the ones who should be looked at.

[Revenus]

I'd like you gone from this game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beck

And if anyone comes in and goes "oh hey you're voting him because he's anti town he's just like that" it gives him an excuse to pull this crap regardless of alignment.

He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

[Pine]

^Bad vote. Beck is vigbait, and what you're proposing is a policy lynch. Unless you can come up with a reasonable and thorough case on why he's scum, I won't stand for wasting a lynch on him when a vig bullet makes him just as dead.

[Revenus]

Vig should be shooting people they think are scum anyways

[Beck]

Here have been my votes in a nutshell and the reasons

Shattered - RVS (Valid RVS vote)
Zde - for suggesting a policy lynch for a weak reason (Valid reason for pressure)
Revenus - for mis-repping me (valid reason for pressure)
Zde - back to my case, weak policy lynch and attacking the first person who explains why it was weak (valid reason)
Pine - using bias from a previous game to attack me, plus lack of scum hunting (valid reason)
Funky - for his blantant bandwagon hopping on 2 wagons (valid reason)
Shattered - for nothing more than blantant OMGUS (not valid)
Rev - lack of scum hunting, lack of usefullness to town, constant mis-repping (valid reason)
pine - lack of scum hunting, constantly trying to point out that he is town cause he is scum hunting, when he hasn't really (valid reason)
hiraki - cause she refused to post a case on the person she was voting for (valid reason)
pine - for the same reasons as before(still valid)
rev - for same reasons as before (still valid)
funky - for same reason as bafore (still valid)
Bvoigt - wanted to apply pressure cause the way he was reacting to the growing funky wagon, plus he wanted to change his vote to someone who made no sense to me(valid)
Shattered - lack of posting despite calling 4 people confirmed early on (valid)
bvoigt - same reason as before
hiraki - uslesness, lurking, scummy play, refusal to provide a case for her vote
rev - same reasons as before.

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

are any of my reasons REALLY invalid? no they are not.

the only head scratcher in my voting history is bvoigt, but there was something he said that struck me as odd and felt he needed pressure.

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Now let's look at your votes

Hiraki - rvs
beck - for whining about another game
Zelnik - for calling himself obv town
beck - for being stubborn anti town
screaminghawk - for "Asking questions and clarifying how you feel on a player without explaining your thoughts on anything just makes you look like you're contributing, but you haven't."
Sword of omens - Lurking
Beck - OMGUS


now you have voted 5 people this game and not a single one has been for a valid reason.



so in conclusion, you are either scum or bad for town

I am long winded but my votes have WAY BETTER reasons behind them than yours do, yet you say this about my reasons

You thinking people are scum really doesn't matter to me, since you've attacked almost half the playerbase at this point for retarded reasons.

i will sit back and let the people decide if I am voting people for "retarded reasons" or is it you who is doing that.

Confirm Vote: rev

I think I just caught my first scum of the game ladies and gentelman.

[Beck]

^Bad vote. Beck is vigbait, and what you're proposing is a policy lynch. Unless you can come up with a reasonable and thorough case on why he's scum, I won't stand for wasting a lynch on him when a vig bullet makes him just as dead.

I AM NOT VIGBAIT.

Read the reasons for my votes and tel me which one is a bad reason and why.

[Beck]

and answer my questions pine instead of telling people I am vig bait, actually do something for once and answer the questions.

[Revenus]

too bad if i'm not getting lynched i'm vigging your ass

[Beck]

Let's look at Pine's votes while we are at it.

Hiraki - RVS
Beck - bias from another game
Zelnik - for protesting too much
pops - active lurking
Amateur - opportunistic

Pine, starts off rocky but his votes on pops and amateur are actuallly good reasons.

ok, I don't think Pine is scum, plus i agree with him on amateur. I am not sure about pops, i'd need to do a re-read of his iso at some point.

but first things first, Rev is scum

p.edit - it will honestly be town's loss if I die, if you look at my pressure votes, almost all of them have valid reasons enough for pressure behind them. Sadly yours don't which is why you are confirmed scum.

Scum vote for invalid reasons and try and act like they are valid, which is what you have been doing all game.

[sorgster]

We have 7 scum of 22 people? You have got to be kidding me. I played in a game with 35 people once and that had 4 scum a vig and a sk. Stop going crazy.

[Revenus]

It's under a third, so that would be the max we have. If game ends before then, well sweet, but I'm operating under a worst case scenario assumption

[Beck]

We have 7 scum of 22 people? You have got to be kidding me. I played in a game with 35 people once and that had 4 scum a vig and a sk. Stop going crazy.

Rev, said 7. Odds are we have 5 IMO.

It's obvious rev has done nothing with trying to discredit me, as I feel I won't even make it to the part of the game, I'll be most useful, Ill suggest that if we lynch rev and he doesn't flip scum, you can lynch me tomorrow without a fight.

I'm 95% sure he is scum, I'm willing to put myself on the line. Besides nobody listens to me anyway

[Pine]

22 people: Probably 5 scum with 2 strong PRs or 3 weak ones, or 6 with 1-2 weak PRs at most. Definitely an SK or some other third party (perhaps Traitor to work with the atypical scum math). Town will have 4-6 PRs depending on strength, with 1 strong or 2 weak (each) investigative and protective. Roleblocker and/or Jailkeeper probably present, vig almost certainly. Backup roles may fill the rest. Good chance of 2-3 Masons or a Neighborhood/Neighborizer.

[sorgster]

[quote="In post 610, Beck"

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?
[/quote]

Not only revenus.

[sorgster]

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

Not only revenus.

[ScreamingHawk]

So Becks back to his ranting again. That's cool.

[Beck]

[quote="In post 610, Beck"

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

Not only revenus.[/quote]
I was basing my post off his original 7. Besides he acts like voting a bunch of people is a scummy thing, I can point to many games on site where town voted lots of people.

If the votes have a valid reason of suspicion (which mine do) there is nothing wrong with voting people.

Look at that post I made and ask yourself, do my votes have good reasoning? Yes or no

Now look at Rev's, does his?

It's really that simple sometimes.

[Beck]

It's not ranting, it's speaking the truth.

[Beck]

Sometime soon, I'll re-read everyone and post my top 3-4 viable D1 lynches. It won't be tonight cause I'm attending the Voltaggio brothers cookbook signing and Kickball all star game. Good food and booze