The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Mastermind of Sin]

^good plan. +town points for Hero.

[Will-o-wisp]

I just love it when a scummy player gives someone else townpoints.

~MB

[MagnaofIllusion]

First off I’d like to offer a big helping of F%CK YOU to AGM for de-Neighborizing me with his last action of the Day.

Secondly I’m dropping the bomb right now …

VOTE: Sun and Moon

They die today. No other options possible.

Claim

- Túrin Turambar – [REDACTED] Suicidal Cop

Yesterday at the end of the Day (their last action) Mina / Faraday unlocked a Latent Ability for me. This gave me an additional ability. I believe, having seen my modified Role PM, that someone unlocked a latent ability on Wraith given his odd flip [Weak Doctor and One Shot Doctor / Cop]. AGM / Mina may be able to confirm this.

Andrius – you can see when this happened in the QT when I posted “Whose turn is it?” to confirm timing.

The Latent ability is Suicidal Cop. I work like a regular cop with the caveat that if I get a guilty result that player must die by the end of the next die or I commit suicide (ostensibly via throwing myself on my sword ala source flavor). There are other modified elements to the role that I can discuss if necessary but think best kept out of scum hands ATM.

I investigated Sun and Moon after the strong push-back I got on them being scummy for their lurking (ooba in particular stands out) given the strong CSL lurking scum meta and Amrun’s “Hey, I’m overloaded but let me sign up for a new game anyway” play.

Thus Sun and Moon needs to hang.

I chose to claim this immediately since the call from Mina / Faraday meant I had little chance of getting Sun and Moon hung without full disclosure.

I’m not going to claim the original portion of my role for obvious reasons.

Also very clearly this is why I wanted Feysal to die since I am very likely one of his targets. If I die via NK and he doesn't go with me please hang him the next day, regardless of what he says.

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ATTN: TOWN

THE SERAPHS HAVE DECREED THAT EMPKING MUST DIE

Vote: Empking

This has been a public service announcement.

Unfortunately this has to wait until Night for Feysal or tomorrow for obvious reasons.

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MoI its time for magic

This sets my danger sense running wild Spyrex … did you somehow know what I was about to do?

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^good plan. +town points for Hero.

Actually as was discussed in the QT it isn’t really as useful as Mina / Faraday originally thought. Preempting AGM would just give him the first action of the next day.

It might bear fruit near endgame if Mina / Faraday have something big up their sleeve and it would help to shut AGM out until the next morning.

[Ellibereth]

Vote:Sun

Lurker lynching wins again

[Andrius]

Claim's legit and all.
Kinda' awkward with Feysal in the room and all, but.

Unvote, Vote: Sun and Moon

<--- KILL WITH FIRE

Also very clearly this is why I wanted Feysal to die since I am very likely one of his targets. If I die via NK and he doesn't go with me please hang him the next day, regardless of what he says.

Righto, boss. (But yeah you're most likely one of his targets, so.)

Unfortunately this has to wait until Night for Feysal or tomorrow for obvious reasons.

Roger that.

Andrius – you can see when this happened in the QT when I posted “Whose turn is it?” to confirm timing.

I'll not question when and simply go off the timetable. I'll be keeping track of things for sure.

[Dekes]

Unvote; Vote: Sun & Moon

That works, too. Apparently I read too much into this one.

Also, I missed that one, so it seems Feysal's murder list got reduced to one before the end of the day.

MoI, if there's anything else you want to say, now would be the right time. I don't trust Feysal now that you've claimed and if you're indeed his second to last target. It gives him leeway to kill you and then come in tomorrow "Well, guys, now it's only Glaurung left, so you can bet your asses I'ma help town from now on!"

WoW is still scum for ignoring the guilty on Empking and everything else, then calling out MoS without a follow up vote.

[Dekes]

Also, it looks like Wraith weak doctor'd gandalf N1, judging from his posts D2. But eh, I guess, that's not important anymore.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That works, too. Apparently I read too much into this one.Also, I missed that one, so it seems Feysal's murder list got reduced to one before the end of the day. MoI, if there's anything else you want to say, now would be the right time. I don't trust Feysal now that you've claimed and if you're indeed his second to last target. It gives him leeway to kill you and then come in tomorrow "Well, guys, now it's only Glaurung left, so you can bet your asses I'ma help town from now on!"

I don't know what ooba is on and given my guilty on Sun and Moon and his known penchant for defending buddies as scum he rockets up my death list behind Empking (unless that is not actually an investigation result).

Also - Feysal's list wasn't reduced to one ... I just was pointing out that MoS's list was unacceptable.

I've shared all the information that I think bears saying at this stage.

[Mastermind of Sin]

There's a guilty on Empking? Who?

Vote: Sun and Moon

Feysal, if you truly want to work with the town to accomplish your win condition without having us kill you first, please leave MoI alive until you have found and killed your fourth target (you have gotten 2 of 4 so far, right?). If you kill MoI before eliminating your other target, I swear to god I will hunt you down and lynch you before you get the chance to win.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually as was discussed in the QT it isn’t really as useful as Mina / Faraday originally thought. Preempting AGM would just give him the first action of the next day.

It might bear fruit near endgame if Mina / Faraday have something big up their sleeve and it would help to shut AGM out until the next morning.

I don't know much about this Seraph thing, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the last action of the day rather than the first action? That way even if AGM gets to go first, Faramina has the chance to respond before the day ends?

[Will-o-wisp]

Ya. There is a guilty on Empking? O_o I didn't see it and clearly Mist didn't see it. People need to bold important ass things like that.

VOTE: Sun and Moon

- Oversoul

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't know much about this Seraph thing, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the last action of the day rather than the first action? That way even if AGM gets to go first, Faramina has the chance to respond before the day ends?

@ANDY - Check to see what Faraday and Mina's current thoughts are on this please.

When we (Mina, Faraday and I) discussed it very early in the QT the consensus then was that it wasn't a very strong advantage. Things may have changed.

[Mastermind of Sin]

On a separate note, MoI, we might have to start another count like the one in your siggy. I can think of a couple times already in games that people have mixed up MoI and MoS. =P

[Andrius]

It gives him leeway to kill you and then come in tomorrow "Well, guys, now it's only Glaurung left, so you can bet your asses I'ma help town from now on!"

Well duh.

There's a guilty on Empking? Who?

Seraph info.
That's all for now.

DO NOT QUICKHAMMER.
Faraday wants this timed JUST RIGHT for action coordination/seraph stuff.
They also have ADDITIONAL INFO but they're plotting now, so.

Let's fire up the wagon.
No one hammer.

[Andrius]

I don't know much about this Seraph thing, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the last action of the day rather than the first action? That way even if AGM gets to go first, Faramina has the chance to respond before the day ends?

@ANDY - Check to see what Faraday and Mina's current thoughts are on this please.

When we (Mina, Faraday and I) discussed it very early in the QT the consensus then was that it wasn't a very strong advantage. Things may have changed.

I'll ask their opinions.
Its only Faraday right now, and AGM hasn't shown his face for a loooong time.

[Andrius]

"a loooong time"" = 2 days BTW.

[Ellibereth]

I kinda think people who didn't get all bug-eyed and wierded out by Ooba's statement on lurker's are scum.
Whoever those are.

this applies again then

[Will-o-wisp]

MoI being kicked out of the QT by AGM the claimed scum Seraph also confirms that MoI is town as if his roleclaim wasn't enough.

- Oversoul

[Andrius]

Ninja'd by Mina.
Don't hammer w/o a claim from S&M. (Jailkeeper, anyone? )

She also wants to see what ooba says now.

[Dekes]

That was indeed shady since ooba has very recent first hand experience with complete lurker(ish) scum teams (Back to the Future Mafia, Battle of Olympus Mafia).

But ooba replaced Ludi, right? I always were pretty fond of him.

@Andy
It was obviously a different situation when Turin wasn't outed, wasn't it?

[Andrius]

@Andy
It was obviously a different situation when Turin wasn't outed, wasn't it?

Well of course.
We're actually talking about the Magna/Feysal issue in-QT right now. :/

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well of course.We're actually talking about the Magna/Feysal issue in-QT right now. :/

Yeah if @SSF*CE AGM hadn't de-Neighborized me this could have all been funneled via QT (or faked as such) to prevent giving Feysal inside information

[Dekes]

@Andy
I was repsonding to your response.

I feel so left out of the cool kids club, so I'll let you do the business with Hurin and Co. I'd like to know if the guilty on Empking is solid stuff or rather a "town is so pants on head, let us handle the scum hunting for them" statement by Minaday, but apparently that's undisclosed information right now.

[Andrius]

Well of course.We're actually talking about the Magna/Feysal issue in-QT right now. :/

Yeah if @SSF*CE AGM hadn't de-Neighborized me this could have all been funneled via QT (or faked as such) to prevent giving Feysal inside information

Oh well. Sometimes it can't be helped.

[Andrius]

I feel so left out of the cool kids club, so I'll let you do the business with Hurin and Co. I'd like to know if the guilty on Empking is solid stuff or rather a "town is so pants on head, let us handle the scum hunting for them" statement by Minaday, but apparently that's undisclosed information right now.

Yeah, which is the downside of games like this. :/
Undisclosed for now.

I'll keep you posted.