Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[SleepyKrew]

trekker, I'm not going to explain now becase you didn't have a problem with it before.

[SleepyKrew]

It being me calling you scum.

[trekker]

trekker, I'm not going to explain now becase you didn't have a problem with it before.

So you're dodging the question because you don't have a reason?

[SleepyKrew]

I do, but there's no point in clogging the thread when your concern is so obviously feigned.

[trekker]

I do, but there's no point in clogging the thread when your concern is so obviously feigned.

My concern isn't feigned. One post won't clog the thread. Please elaborate.

[fatlikepig]

Finding trekker's earlier "I don't give a shit, I'll call people town/scum with no reasons" attitude quite jarring with his current inquisitive attitude towards being called scummy

[Quilford]

^ True.

[ScreamingHawk]

I do, but there's no point in clogging the thread when your concern is so obviously feigned.

Curiouser and curiouser

[fatlikepig]

Stop dodging my questions, SH.

[Quilford]

I think you'll find that scum never intentionally dodge questions.

[trekker]

Finding trekker's earlier "I don't give a shit, I'll call people town/scum with no reasons" attitude quite jarring with his current inquisitive attitude towards being called scummy

That's cool.

When will SleepyKrew respond? I'm restless.

[fatlikepig]

I think you'll find that scum never intentionally dodge questions.

I think you'll find that I ask questions because I want answers, not to prove a point.

[fatlikepig]

And why is your vote still on me?

[Quilford]

Because I still think it's you?

I'm not wondering why you're asking questions. I'm questioning why you think it necessary to accuse him of dodging your questions as if it were something he did with intent, and not out of forgetfulness.

[fatlikepig]

Neither you nor I know his intent (or lack thereof) in not answering my questions. There's plenty of reasons why I think scum may be inclined to not answer questions, either because they can't, because their answers will be scummier than not answering, or because they think they can get away with ignoring minor questions. Til he answers them, I'm going to assume the worst.

And why don't you post which posts of mine you think of scummy instead of pretending that "choice of word" actually means anything in the context of my post?

[Quilford]

There's plenty of reasons why I think scum may be inclined to not answer questions, either because they can't, because their answers will be scummier than not answering, or because they think they can get away with ignoring minor questions.

In theory, these are all excellent reasons for scum not answering questions.

In reality, I think you'll find that scum are too afraid to intentionally, consistently dodge questions.

So your word choice in 'Stop dodging my questions, SH.' is questionable because you imply that he is in fact dodging them when that may not be the case.

And why don't you post which posts of mine you think of scummy instead of pretending that "choice of word" actually means anything in the context of my post?

This is the post in question:

Actually, never mind.
VOTE: Cross_Pollination

Minimal contribution, early posts reek of scum.

Minimal contribution is not necessarily a scumtell, and I think you're trying to make up for it -- and the fact that you're not going into why his early posts are so scummy (which is especially hypocritical considering what we're discussing right now; the fact that you explained later changes nothing) -- by using exaggerated language.

Other than that, the large majority of your posting is fluffy or defensive, and your cases are flimsy. I can't elaborate now, though.

[Equinox]

Wall incoming.

My previous mafia experience is just games on another forum I visit.

And I found his posts suspicious.

Out of curiosity, how long were the Day phases at your other forum?

Okay, so you found Nobody Special's posts suspicious. Which ones? Why were they suspicious? I'll reiterate that others were exhibiting similarly troll-like behavior at that point as well; Equinox's, fatlikepig's, Fruit Basket's, kondi2424's, and Quilford's posts were arguably similar, so why are they different?

When you children stop playing around, and the real game begins, let me know.

This game doesn't start on page 85, for the record. I may be grilling Cross_Pollination, but I don't like where you've gone either. Any thoughts on anyone besides Fruit Basket? Do you think Fruit Basket's "cases are scummy" comment is influenced by alignment?

Also, policy lynching Kondi is probably a bad idea since we're at mylo tomorrow if he's town.

Probably town.

Amrun is probably town, too. I'm feeling better about SleepyKrew, though there's still a question I want to ask:

SleepyKrew, why did it take you so long to vote me for dodging your questions?

I think I know who one head of Fruit Basket is, and that makes me worried about their constant pushing for Nobody Special's wagon. You say Cross_Pollination was "remarkably honest" about not having any scum reads, which is townish. Okay, that makes sense. What do you think of Cross_Pollination singling out Nobody Special when there were other people posting similar fluff in the thread? Who's scum with Nobody Special?

And Amrun is acting all weird.

How? Amrun's looking like Amrun to me.

Did I? My bad. I had pig in mind for a vote for a while. Must never have gone through with it

This post. I don't like it.
Why didn't you say anything about someone you thought was scummy? What made you change your mind on voting?

Interested in this, too, ScreamingHawk.

[Equinox]

Hmm. Let's have fun with this.

Vote: Fruit Basket

[Quilford]

Equinox, tell me why you jumped off the kondi wagon.


Which reminds me, reads.
Equinox (null; slight lean scum)
Amrun (ditto Equinox)
SleepyKrew (town)
Nobody Special (null)
bvoigt (null)
DonJosh (null; slight lean scum)
Fruit Basket (leaning town maybe perhaps)
trekker (ditto Fruit)
fatlikepig (null; slight lean scum)
ScreamingHawk (leaning scum)
Cross_Pollination (null; slight lean scum)
kondi2424 (null; slight lean town)

So yeah too many scum/null reads

If you guys could kindly start being more obvtown that would be nice

[Equinox]

The kondi2424 wagon swelled to L-1 not even halfway down page 1. As much as I like bandwagons, I prefer when game Days last a little longer than one page, especially with White Flag.

[Equinox]

Quilford, you called kondi2424 scum for being helpful, which you thought was out of meta for him. Now you're leaning town on him. What changed?

[Morthas]

Day 1 Votecount

: Fifth

kondi2424

: ScreamingHawk, trekker, L-5

Fruit Basket

: Nobody Special, Equinox, L-5

ScreamingHawk

: SleepyKrew, fatlikepig, L-5

Nobody Special

: Cross_Pollination, Fruit Basket, L-5

fatlikepig

: Quilford, L-6

Cross_Pollination

:Amrun, L-6

DonJosh

: bvoigt, L-6

trekker

: DonJosh L-6

Amrun

: kondi2424, L-6

Not Voting:

With 13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Question: Every how long do you like your votecounts? (PM me so it doesn't disturb the flow of the game)

[Fruit Basket]

I think I know who one head of Fruit Basket is, and that makes me worried about their constant pushing for Nobody Special's wagon. You say Cross_Pollination was "remarkably honest" about not having any scum reads, which is townish. Okay, that makes sense. What do you think of Cross_Pollination singling out Nobody Special when there were other people posting similar fluff in the thread? Who's scum with Nobody Special?

I'm fine with people sheeping me for 'bad reasons', actually. Amrun/You would be my best guess for NS's partners - your soft question to him in this quote looks bad if he flips scum, and Amrun's defense of a neutral read like that seems off; she didn't seem to have much of a problem with the SK wagon and he was a town read. How does maybe knowing who I am affect my push on NS? If anything I think it should make you

more

confident I'm right, my history of reading him is actually really good. Or maybe you have the wrong girl teehee.

[Fruit Basket]

er the quote = the post

[Equinox]

Okay, so trying to get an understanding of Nobody Special's perspective of this game in order to determine his alignment is a soft question? That's awesome.

How does maybe knowing who I am affect my push on NS? If anything I think it should make you

more

confident I'm right, my history of reading him is actually really good. Or maybe you have the wrong girl teehee.

No, it makes me paranoid.

You keep saying how Nobody Special's second, third, and fifth posts are scummy. Disregard my opinion of Nobody Special; I want to know where you're coming from. Case, go.