The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Andrius]

Spy did you overlook S&M's MASON claim?
1 guess as to their partner...

I mean its not expressly clear if its CONFIRMED TOWN MASON (and bastard game sooooo), but. :/

[SpyreX]

Does it matter?

No matter what the hell is going on lolmiller means a not lynched S&M is a dead MoI

[Andrius]

Ultimately, Magna's my choice.
IM PRO-LIFE
PROLIFE FOR MAGNA

OR WE CAN BE PROCHOICE
MAGNA
WOULD YOU RATHER LIVE OR DIE?

[ooba]

Damn this.

Role claim: Nienor
Not claiming my other abilities, if any.
- I know S&M is my brother Turin
- Share a Mason QT with them - no daytalk

Even if you take into account that this game is bastard and Plum might have lied to me\Ludi about masonary, it is unlikely that S&M is scum due to a few reasons:
- They are a vig. They let ludi direct the vig kill on N1. Took my inputs on vig shot N2 - We narrowed it down to espeonage.
- Claimed that killing Chrono made them a miller in QT. It sounded genuine and I don't think this was a pre-planned gambit between MoI and S&M to confirm one or other.
- I still stick by my taking "lurking to the 11 is a towntell" post. Also this was my first picture breadcrumb in MS - Note the masonary symbol in the pic.

So
- Faramina have confirmed that S&M are Turin
- MoI claims he will die if we don't lynch S&M
- Faramina want empking dead for some reasons

I suggest we lynch empking. MoI should die today if he's telling the truth.

Unvote. Vote: empking

Also worth noting that espeonage did not die yesterday due to the kill.

[ooba]

Forgot to complete this:

I suggest we lynch empking. MoI should die today if he's telling the truth. You can lynch\vig S&M and me if he flips town.

[SpyreX]

I'll take "Things not happening for 2000" alex.

What is: MoI dying to save you two.

TROLOLOLOL THE MASONZ

[ooba]

You do realize that you're planning to lynch

MASON TURIN VIG!!!!

[SpyreX]

Yessir

[Sun and Moon]

Ohh hell no.

No. This doesn't happen. S&M dies. "Lol I'm killin people and a miller but not sayin anything"

Even if, IF, its true the simple fact of the matter is I'm not trading MoI for S&M.

If this had happened to you, what would YOU have done?

O HAY GUYZ I'MMA CLAIM VIG FOR NO REASON TO TELL YOU WHY I'VE RANDOMLY BECOME A MILLER, WHEN I'M ALSO A MASON

Yeah, right. No reason to out myself for that.

We should lynch empking because the seraphs say so. I can be lynched and/or sked by feysal later, if you all deem fit.

I don't know how ANYONE can believe MoI above me in this situation, despite my lurkiness. I have multiple provable claims. I have Nienor. He has just the name with a cop ability, which I don't think even makes SENSE for Turin.

[Herodotus]

@Ooba: Is Sun and Moon confirmed town in your role PM?

We now have claimed killers for every NK that has succeeded, and one that didn't. If Sun and Moon is town, and Feysal is anything like what he claims to be, then there has been no mafia kill.

Given the setup contained a normal town doctor I'd expect a mafia with a kill ability.

[Herodotus]

And faramina, you need to check magna's rolename if possible. But not necessarily tell us right away.

[Gut]

Sorry MoI but you are the one thats dying here. If we have to lose a townsperson to your effect either way we should use the free death on it, not our lynch. (S&M's claim holds up well enough that I think they are town.)

[kanyeknowsbest]

as i was reading along and first hit moi's claim, what struck me was that he claimed turin at all. the name portion was not necessary for town to believe he had a guilty on s&m of all people, and it puts a target on him for feysal. moi, why did you nameclaim at all?

i believe that ooba and s&m share a qt. s&m followed suit onto ludis wagon on me d1 in a way that makes sense for masons, or at least neighbors with town reads on eachother, and his crumbing is believable. chronopies kill not being the scum factional kill also makes his kill flavor and the one committed by feysal on wraith make sense.

We now have claimed killers for every NK that has succeeded, and one that didn't. If Sun and Moon is town, and Feysal is anything like what he claims to be, then there has been no mafia kill.

5. gandalf5166, Aerin, Town Twoshot-Sacrificial Arsonist, tormented and killed Night 2

is that so?

[Gut]

- I know S&M is my brother Turin

Do you also know they're town?

P-edit: if I have the mechanics of that role right, Gandalf wouldn't've had the time to use it properly.

[Will-o-wisp]

Clusterfuck of a damn game.

UNVOTE:

Discussing this with Mist in the Hydra QT

- Oversoul

[Andrius]

OOBA: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT S&M IS TOWN ALIGNED?
S&M: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT OOBA IS TOWN ALIGNED?
I DONT CARE THEY YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOUR SIBLING.

Seraphs would like to know, and apparently answering to Hero/Gut isn't good enough.

[Herodotus]

We now have claimed killers for every NK that has succeeded, and one that didn't. If Sun and Moon is town, and Feysal is anything like what he claims to be, then there has been no mafia kill.

5. gandalf5166, Aerin, Town Twoshot-Sacrificial Arsonist, tormented and killed Night 2

is that so?

Never mind, I just assumed Sun had killed gandalf. They claimed they tried to kill espeonage.

If Andrius wasn't saying that faramina had confirmed Sun and Moon's rolename, I would believe that they were mafia lovers with ooba.
On the other hand, I wouldn't expect Magna, as mafia, to fake a guilty before LyLo. Hypothetically the fakeclaimed guilty would be on a miller, so if his team had a rolecop result then he would know he'd have an explanation for it, but he'd also know that Sun and Moon was a mason.

It's also significant that the role name they are both claiming is one that Feysal might need to outlive. I could see Magna as a third party, like lyncher.

Also, I don't understand how Nienor and Turin would know each other's identities, since that was the one thing they didn't know while they were both alive.

[Gut]

◦While no direct (or, as far as I can see, implied) lies to the players are involved, this is a game with distinct elements of bastardry.

I'm just going to quote this because I know someone's going to ask.

[Andrius]

SUN AND MOON: WHAT IS YOUR KILLFLAVOR?

Gotta start remembering to italics SeraphSpeak.

[Andrius]

OOBA: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT S&M IS TOWN ALIGNED?
S&M: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT OOBA IS TOWN ALIGNED?
I DONT CARE THEY YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOUR SIBLING.

Seraphs would like to know, and apparently answering to Hero/Gut isn't good enough.

Added italics to this too.

[Amrun]

I'm guessing it's slain cruelly since that's what Chronopie's is.... but I did NOT kill Wraith.

Maybe Feysal also targetted Chrono n1? I'd have to check back because I don't remember.

My role pm doesn't tell me my kill flavor.


Yes, we're MASONS. What do you think mason means?

[Andrius]

I'm guessing it's slain cruelly since that's what Chronopie's is.... but I did NOT kill Wraith.

Maybe Feysal also targetted Chrono n1? I'd have to check back because I don't remember.

My role pm doesn't tell me my kill flavor.


Yes, we're MASONS. What do you think mason means?

Don't fucking

guess

. ASK THE MOD. If she says no then she says no.

Masons in a bastard game.
We're just checking.

[Amrun]

Okay, I'll ask. Fair enough.

[SpyreX]

If this had happened to you, what would YOU have done?

O HAY GUYZ I'MMA CLAIM VIG FOR NO REASON TO TELL YOU WHY I'VE RANDOMLY BECOME A MILLER, WHEN I'M ALSO A MASON

Yeah, right. No reason to out myself for that.

We should lynch empking because the seraphs say so. I can be lynched and/or sked by feysal later, if you all deem fit.

I don't know how ANYONE can believe MoI above me in this situation, despite my lurkiness. I have multiple provable claims. I have Nienor. He has just the name with a cop ability, which I don't think even makes SENSE for Turin.

If I mysteriously got turned into a miller?

I damn well would have said something right then and there. If that wasn't enough to stave off death I would have elucidated.

What I sure wouldn't have done is end up in this situation.

Of course I'd probably have used my words and played the game and not been a target for death to begin with.

[Amrun]

Well, I disagree. I did not claim miller when I was converted and I think it is the right choice.

HOWEVER, obviously, I have not been playing this game properly. :/ I already feel pretty bad about it. There's nothing I can say there.