Open 341: My Name Is Earl - Game Over

[pinkfloyd]

What did I ever do wrong? Yeah I hammered someone who was incredibly scummy, that was it. I would like to see reasons from everyone please.

[zMuffinMan]

No, the main issue is you fucking quickhammered him.

It's hypocritical of you to call him scummy for doing what he was doing when you did the exact same thing. And you cut off discussion like <24 hours after day ended. I didn't even get a post in til twilight.

Explain your actions. And give your thoughts on the rest of the players that are still alive.

[pinkfloyd]

No, the main issue is you fucking quickhammered him.

It's hypocritical of you to call him scummy for doing what he was doing when you did the exact same thing. And you cut off discussion like <24 hours after day ended. I didn't even get a post in til twilight.

Explain your actions. And give your thoughts on the rest of the players that are still alive.

Yes but from his reaction to the D1 wagon I thought he was scum and trying to save the possible cop from having to claim and say he actually is scum. I guess he was just quick hammering hammering town. And its hypocritical of you muffin to assume I'm scum by doing it when a townie player clearly did.

I feel the scum is between DonJosh or IceGuy, but I'm leaning more towards IceGuy.

Not to create WIFOM to send the town wild but I guess we are in lylo, but, do you think that I'm so dumb as scum that I would night kill the last guy to give me threats and call me scummy (blue) when I would have known the town would be in lylo the next day? Seems too obvious to be a legit thing I would do and I feel like I'm being used as a scapegoat from scum.

[pinkfloyd]

(Sorry if my English seems broken or hard to understand)

[DonJosh]

After reading the ISOs of pinkfloyd, DonJosh and zMuffinMan, it's pinkfloyd > DonJosh > zMuffinMan in terms of scumminess.

VOTE: pinkfloyd

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)
VOTE: pinkfloyd

[IceGuy]

UNVOTE:

[eldarad]

For god's sake will you all stop voting!

[pinkfloyd]

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)
VOTE: pinkfloyd

Forstly, slow down. Secondly, scum have gone for days sometimes with a quickhammer opportunity, this proves nothing.

And thirdly, you voting me after I already have a vote just implies you are scum trying to quick hammer ME.

[Cobblerfone]

Votecount 3.2

pinkfloyd - 1 - (DonJosh,)
eldarad - 0 -
zMuffinMan - 0 -
DonJosh - 0 -
IceGuy - 0 -

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2011-10-31 14:00:00)

[eldarad]

OK, so I'm re-reading the entire thread. Shouldn't take long...

First thing to happen of note was zMuffinMan's #25, where he expresses disappointment that no-one made a newbie mistake by jumping down his throat for his early vote.

However, more seriously, VOTE: DonJosh for trying to get free townie points by going "omg someone is at L-1, unvote them now, vote for the guy who put him at L-1"... eldarad was not in serious danger of being lynched, none of his votes were real, if anyone hammered they would be top suspect on Day 2... so I find DonJosh's comment to be disingenuous and therefore scummy.

This is an interesting post given Don's behaviour Today, but I'll come on to that later.

DonJosh is at L-2 until iceguy jumps off the wagon at #50 and goes after adc for wagon-hopping.

I've never seen town quickhammering town.

Well, this is blatantly not true, but I was happy with the kdowns lynch at the time so I let it slide. This is pretty shady posting though.

blue opposed the kdowns wagon, but it took him a little while to come up with things he wanted to discuss in lieu of just lynching kdowns immediately. He got there by #77 though.

pinkfloyd hammers immediately after blue posts his question.

blue and DonJosh express "WTF" reactions to the hammer. zMM attempts to shut down any further discussion.

~~~
Today:
IceGuy starts massclaim immediately. I don't like this at all and seriously pings my scumdar.

The second part of #93 makes me think of SensFan.
The first part of #93 confirms to me than zMuffinMan is not a SensFan alt.

The reason I didn't quite the insta-mass claim is that we should have given a potential cop the chance to claim and give investigation results before starting the mass claim, in my opinion.

Scum would already know that the town didn't have any power roles (they know they have a roleblocker so the existence of an Earl confirms the that we are in the 4th setup)

Although to be fair at #92 I hadn't noticed that blue had flipped as an Earl so I was expecting the existence of a power role that didn't actually exist. But no other town player would have known that.

#98 I don't have a problem with.
#99 I don't like.

After reading the ISOs of pinkfloyd, DonJosh and zMuffinMan, it's pinkfloyd > DonJosh > zMuffinMan in terms of scumminess.

VOTE: pinkfloyd

So...you read 3 players in iso and rank them in terms of scumminess. Fine. Except, why only those 3? Why not push the boat out and read me as well? Or just read the whole thread - it was only 4 pages long at that point.

pinkfloyd's faux-indignation in #100 is annoying, and I agree with zMM's reply in #101.
pinkfloyd's #102 is one of the most horrendous posts I think I have ever read in a mafia game. Not the worst, but definitely in the top 10.

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)
VOTE: pinkfloyd

This makes no sense! Iceguy or pinkfloyd - or both - is scum and so you choose to put pinkfloyd at L-1. Even though Iceguy could be scum?

~~~
In any other circumstances I would vote for IceGuy at this point.
I don't like Don's play Today coupled with the exaggerated Day 1 play identified by Zeek. I also think pinkfloyd's #102 is just too horrible to contemplate, but I don't know how I feel about an IceGuy-Pinkfloyd scumteam.

[IceGuy]

I've never seen town quickhammering town.

Well, this is blatantly not true, but I was happy with the kdowns lynch at the time so I let it slide. This is pretty shady posting though.

When I posted this, I had seen four or five quickhammers on town, and all of them were performed by scum. So yeah, this is true.

IceGuy starts massclaim immediately. I don't like this at all and seriously pings my scumdar.

...what?

This is standard procedure in such an open game. We've narrowed scum down to 2 of 4 instead of 2 of 5.

Although to be fair at #92 I hadn't noticed that blue had flipped as an Earl so I was expecting the existence of a power role that didn't actually exist. But no other town player would have known that.

We all knew there would be exactly one special role left, either a power role or an Earl.

#99 I don't like.

After reading the ISOs of pinkfloyd, DonJosh and zMuffinMan, it's pinkfloyd > DonJosh > zMuffinMan in terms of scumminess.

VOTE: pinkfloyd

So...you read 3 players in iso and rank them in terms of scumminess. Fine. Except, why only those 3? Why not push the boat out and read me as well? Or just read the whole thread - it was only 4 pages long at that point.

Don't you think I also read the thread?

No point in reading your ISO since you are confirmed town.

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)
VOTE: pinkfloyd

This makes no sense! Iceguy or pinkfloyd - or both - is scum and so you choose to put pinkfloyd at L-1. Even though Iceguy could be scum?

This reply makes as much sense as the original post, zero.

[zMuffinMan]

And its hypocritical of you muffin to assume I'm scum by doing it when a townie player clearly did.

No, floyd.

kdowns did it accidentally. kdowns wasn't trying to lynch adc that early, it was an honest mistake on his behalf.

You, on the other hand, saw fit to end D2 with very little discussion having taken place.

There's no hypocrisy in anything I said. You called him scummy for quickhammering. You did the same thing. There's some pretty fucking huge CD going on here.

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)

How the... what... the... I don't even...

If you're town, you should

KNOW

that at least one of IceGuy/pf is scum.

Explain how anything you wrote here makes sense.

[Cobblerfone]

DonJosh has been prodded.

[Cobblerfone]

pinkfloyd has been prodded.

[DonJosh]

Scum didn't double-hammer after this, which means either IceGuy or pinkfloyd is scum (or both)

How the... what... the... I don't even...

If you're town, you should

KNOW

that at least one of IceGuy/pf is scum.

Explain how anything you wrote here makes sense.

Derp. I forgot we only had 5 players left.

[eldarad]

I reckon zMM is probably a townie, so I just need to pick 2 scum out of {IceGuy, DonJosh, pinkfloyd}

DonJosh's continued vote on pinkfloyd doesn't tell me anything extra, IceGuy's prompt unvote also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.

We all knew there would be exactly one special role left, either a power role or an Earl.

My point being that if there was a cop it would have been better for them to claim before a massclaim was started.

I wasn't objecting to the massclaim Today - it's lylo so yeah it's standard - but the fact that you started the massclaim immediately rather than waiting for a hypothetical cop suggests to me that you knew there wasn't going to be a cop claim forthcoming.

Also your immediate vote for pinkfloyd right after the massclaim doesn't strike me as a townie action.

vote IceGuy

[IceGuy]

First, get your vote off me immediately. You're allowing scum to quickhammer me. Content incoming.

[IceGuy]

Your post doesn't make an inch of sense.

Why are you so sure zMM is town?

What is the point of the cop claiming before anyone else?

And what was your problem with my pinkfloyd vote? If I'm confident somebody is scum I'm voting him, even in LyLo.

[zMuffinMan]

Derp. I forgot we only had 5 players left.

OK, so what else? Do you have any other thoughts on the game?

What do you think of IceGuy's initial vote on floyd and subsequent unvote after you voted for him?

And what was your problem with my pinkfloyd vote? If I'm confident somebody is scum I'm voting him, even in LyLo.

Why did you unvote him? Has your read on him changed?

Why are you so sure zMM is town?

Do you think I'm scum?

[IceGuy]

Why did you unvote him? Has your read on him changed?

No. I didn't like DonJosh's justification for the vote (which was basically a big scumslip with flashing neon lights), and thought this might be an attempt at setting up a scum quickhammer.

I'm now confident it's a DonJosh/pinkfloyd scum team, and am willing to vote any of those.

Do you think I'm scum?

I think that you are the unlikeliest of the three players DonJosh, pinkfloyd and yourself to be scum.

I don't have you as definite town.

[Cobblerfone]

Votecount 3.3

pinkfloyd - 1 - (DonJosh,)
eldarad - 0 -
zMuffinMan - 0 -
DonJosh - 0 -
IceGuy - 1 - (eldarad,)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2011-10-31 14:00:00)

[pinkfloyd]

And what was your problem with my pinkfloyd vote? If I'm confident somebody is scum I'm voting him, even in LyLo.

So what is the problem with eldarad voting YOU in lylo if he thinks you are scum?

Also this implies you don't find me scummy.

No. I didn't like DonJosh's justification for the vote (which was basically a big scumslip with flashing neon lights), and thought this might be an attempt at setting up a scum quickhammer.

I'm now confident it's a DonJosh/pinkfloyd scum team, and am willing to vote any of those.

If I was scum with donjosh, how would it be a scum quickhammer?

[IceGuy]

So what is the problem with eldarad voting YOU in lylo if he thinks you are scum?

I'm not scum, and his "case" doesn't make any sense.

Also this implies you don't find me scummy.

Uhm...no.

If I was scum with donjosh, how would it be a scum quickhammer?

I

thought

it would be a set-up for a quickhammer. Now I think it was bussing.

[eldarad]

Your post doesn't make an inch of sense.

You keep saying that, but you never explain why...

What is the point of the cop claiming before anyone else?

At lylo, a cop should claim in their first post of the Day and give any investigation results. You specifically took that opportunity away.

And what was your problem with my pinkfloyd vote? If I'm confident somebody is scum I'm voting him, even in LyLo.

pinkfloyd is right to point out the hypocrisy of this statement. But leaving that aside, how are you so sure pinkfloyd is scum?

If you now think DonJosh's vote is bussing, why aren't you voting for pinkfloyd?

[IceGuy]

At lylo, a cop should claim in their first post of the Day and give any investigation results. You specifically took that opportunity away.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!

You keep claiming this as it would be an established fact, but it isn't. And it doesn't make sense when you think about it. Is the cop supposed to catch town fakeclaiming scum or what?

pinkfloyd is right to point out the hypocrisy of this statement.

So, why do you consider me scum?

But leaving that aside, how are you so sure pinkfloyd is scum?

ISO #0-#2: RVS/RQS
- Day 1 ends, Day 2 starts -
ISO #3: Expresses intent to hammer kdowns
ISO #4: kdowns quickhammer
- Day 2 ends, Day 3 starts -
ISO #5: Claim VT, popcorn to DonJosh
ISO #6: "Why me?" Misreps "quickhammered" as "hammered".
ISO #7:

Yes but from his reaction to the D1 wagon I thought he was scum and trying to save the possible cop from having to claim and say he actually is scum.

What is this I don't even.

The cop doesn't claim out of the blue, the cop claims when asked. And if somebody is at L-1 and there is intent to hammer, and the cop has a guilty on him, the cop shuts up because he has nothing to gain by saying "oh, that guy you were going to lynch anyway is scum".

I feel the scum is between DonJosh or IceGuy, but I'm leaning more towards IceGuy.

Standard weak bus: "<Townie> and <Scumpartner> are scum, but let's focus on <Townie>".

Not to create WIFOM to send the town wild but I guess we are in lylo, but, do you think that I'm so dumb as scum that I would night kill the last guy to give me threats and call me scummy (blue) when I would have known the town would be in lylo the next day? Seems too obvious to be a legit thing I would do and I feel like I'm being used as a scapegoat from scum.

This is what it says on the tin, nightkill WIFOM. Especially as the bluegingham NK made a lot of sense since she was pretty much confirmed town for her kdowns defense and a very analytical and logical player useful in LyLo.
ISO #8: Apology for English
ISO #9: Weak defense against DonJosh vote. Considering he's at L-1 at this point and in LyLo one might think he'd be a little more invested. Doesn't even notice big flashing scumslip.
ISO #10: Already answered to that

Zero scumhunting, misrepresentations, WIFOM, quickhammering when he gets the opportunity. Textbook scum.

If you now think DonJosh's vote is bussing, why aren't you voting for pinkfloyd?

What would be our incentive to shorten the day more than necessary?

The more the day progresses, the more information we can collect (which will be useful tomorrow when we lynch scum today, since the meager four pages we've had before won't help us much). And the vote on pinkfloyd was also, in some sense, an information collection endeavor.