Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[AGar]

Now, I've explained this to you before...

but it didn't occur to me to just unvote.

It was a simple error. I play on other forums and I didn't realise I could unvote and leave it. I

n hindsight I did know I could do it but where I play most commonly, the play beckons no lynches frequently

(we don't have hammer, we have deadline based lynches). If I had have just unvoted, then this would not even be happening. I had no plans to NOT VOTE. I didn't want a no lynch. I just didn't want my vote on anything at that time, so I thought I had to put it on no lynch.

Except you unvoted from SK in post #344, and then voted to no-lynch in post #444.

Check your iso.

Your point? After I voted SK and then decided to unvote him I had been left with nobody firm to put a vote on. I didn't become aware of Vezok until later when David pointed it out because he had posted so fleetingly and pointlessly that his posts had just fallen between the cracks to me.

Read the bolded parts.

Then come back to me.

(Hint: You say it "didn't occur to you to unvote [and you voted no lynch instead]" when you moved your vote SK -> unvote -> No Lynch. See the problem here? The context of this line of questioning is not in regards to Vezok, it's in regards to you blatantly voting to No Lynch rather than push a wagon.)

Yeah I see that. I wasn't saying I didn't know that I could unvote, just that the fact that I commonly vote no lynch in the meta at the other forum I play so I and others there usually don't move from a vote to a blank unvote, but rather to a no lynch, in that scenario. Bolded to point out that I mentioned this.

Let's try this again:

You were unsatisfied with both SK and DX lynches. You unvote. Then, 100 gameposts later, you vote no lynch.

Which means either you legitimately wanted a no lynch and are backing off of the position now, or you weren't keeping track of your vote.

So come again - why did you vote No Lynch. Please try and not lie to us this time, it makes finding your buddies that much easier.

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@Andrius

Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this.

@Magua

#1029. Respond please. Even if it's just "Wow AGar, you're so right!" I'll be satisfied with the recognition.

@MOD

Prod on Vezok please? And also, putting the notice out there now;

V/LA from October 28th to 31st

[Andrius]

How unfortunate for you that you wasted so much time writing all of that just to make a conclusive scum read on a town player. There is literally not a point you've made that I haven't already had someone else point out and had to explain.

You DO realize I just replaced into the game, right? And was reading everything for the first time?

I'll address stuff later I'm off to bed now, just wanted to throw that out there.

AGar: Not a problem dude. Been awhile since we last

played

got culted together.

[MacDougall]

How unfortunate for you that you wasted so much time writing all of that just to make a conclusive scum read on a town player. There is literally not a point you've made that I haven't already had someone else point out and had to explain.

You DO realize I just replaced into the game, right? And was reading everything for the first time?

I'll address stuff later I'm off to bed now, just wanted to throw that out there.

AGar: Not a problem dude. Been awhile since we last

played

got culted together.

Yeah I know, that's why I said what I said.

Except you unvoted from SK in post #344, and then voted to no-lynch in post #444.

Check your iso.

Your point? After I voted SK and then decided to unvote him I had been left with nobody firm to put a vote on. I didn't become aware of Vezok until later when David pointed it out because he had posted so fleetingly and pointlessly that his posts had just fallen between the cracks to me.

Read the bolded parts.

Then come back to me.

(Hint: You say it "didn't occur to you to unvote [and you voted no lynch instead]" when you moved your vote SK -> unvote -> No Lynch. See the problem here? The context of this line of questioning is not in regards to Vezok, it's in regards to you blatantly voting to No Lynch rather than push a wagon.)

Yeah I see that. I wasn't saying I didn't know that I could unvote, just that the fact that I commonly vote no lynch in the meta at the other forum I play so I and others there usually don't move from a vote to a blank unvote, but rather to a no lynch, in that scenario. Bolded to point out that I mentioned this.

Let's try this again:

You were unsatisfied with both SK and DX lynches. You unvote. Then, 100 gameposts later, you vote no lynch.

Which means either you legitimately wanted a no lynch and are backing off of the position now, or you weren't keeping track of your vote.

So come again - why did you vote No Lynch. Please try and not lie to us this time, it makes finding your buddies that much easier.

I voted no lynch because I didn't want my vote to count for anything at that time and I felt inclined to let the fact that I had no scum read be known to the world. I said this before but I didn't want my vote being somewhere I didn't believe in, in case a lynch occured while I was afk. I popped in to check the progress, saw nothing of note, placed my vote on NO LYNCH, rather than leaving it on the unvote and I really can't explain why... I suppose there may be merit to your idea of me not following my voting. I guess I had forgotten that I had unvoted SleepyKrew, or assumed that I had voted someone else between the posts. Maybe I actually did vote for someone else but my net dropped out and I walked away. Who knows? I didn't think of the fact that it would make me look non commital and scummy, a mistake, granted.

Should I link you to this other forum game to prove the point I am making about no lynches being common there?

There's not much else to say on the matter now I feel. If you have any more questions I'd be shocked. I've spent what feels like a week explaining a thoughtless off the cuff action(s) and it's starting to grind me down. I'll tell you one thing sincerely. I'm 99% sure that if I was scum, I would have been a hell of a lot more careful with my early game actions. I also would most likely have broken or stopped responding by now.

[AGar]

I voted no lynch because I didn't want my vote to count for anything at that time and I felt inclined to let the fact that I had no scum read be known to the world. I said this before but I didn't want my vote being somewhere I didn't believe in, in case a lynch occured while I was afk

YOU WERE ALREADY UNVOTED. WHAT I AM ASKING IS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY TO MOVE FROM UNVOTE TO NO LYNCH.

[Wraith]

manho

and

vezokpiraka

have been prodded

[manho]

responding to prod, but i'm still in V/LA.

and i see lots of posting since my last post, so i may need more time to catch up after i'm out of V/LA...

[Wraith]

responding to prod, but i'm still in V/LA.

and i see lots of posting since my last post, so i may need more time to catch up after i'm out of V/LA...

My bad, forgot you declared that.

[vezokpiraka]

Sorry Wraith. I checked the thread, but didn't post.

I've read Andrius's wall. And I see why he thinks macdougall is scum.

The thing is nobody is considering him a newbie. With that facts at hand and looking at him like a newbie something different comes up.

[MacDougall]

I voted no lynch because I didn't want my vote to count for anything at that time and I felt inclined to let the fact that I had no scum read be known to the world. I said this before but I didn't want my vote being somewhere I didn't believe in, in case a lynch occured while I was afk

YOU WERE ALREADY UNVOTED. WHAT I AM ASKING IS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY TO MOVE FROM UNVOTE TO NO LYNCH.

I voted no lynch because I didn't want my vote to count for anything at that time and I felt inclined to let the fact that I had no scum read be known to the world. I said this before but I didn't want my vote being somewhere I didn't believe in, in case a lynch occured while I was afk.

I popped in to check the progress, saw nothing of note, placed my vote on NO LYNCH, rather than leaving it on the unvote and I really can't explain why... I suppose there may be merit to your idea of me not following my voting. I guess I had forgotten that I had unvoted SleepyKrew, or assumed that I had voted someone else between the posts. Maybe I actually did vote for someone else but my net dropped out and I walked away. Who knows? I didn't think of the fact that it would make me look non commital and scummy, a mistake, granted.

Should I link you to this other forum game to prove the point I am making about no lynches being common there?

There's not much else to say on the matter now I feel. If you have any more questions I'd be shocked. I've spent what feels like a week explaining a thoughtless off the cuff action(s) and it's starting to grind me down. I'll tell you one thing sincerely. I'm 99% sure that if I was scum, I would have been a hell of a lot more careful with my early game actions. I also would most likely have broken or stopped responding by now.

Sorry, that's the best I've got. Perhaps you should try reading entire posts in future before you make rude posts like that.

[whispersilk]

VOTE: AGar

Why are you making such a big deal about the "no lynch". I've seen newbies do the same thing more than once. I think Dougall is town.

[AGar]

VOTE: AGar

Why are you making such a big deal about the "no lynch". I've seen newbies do the same thing more than once. I think Dougall is town.

Because every time I've seen someone new vote No Lynch in the past year and a half it's been a new scum player trying to look protown by going "Look, I don't wanna risk lynching town so no lynch guys!" No lynching on D1 puts scum at a HUUUUGE advantage as they get to skate by on a free day with no associative reads being able to be established off of lynch patterns, and yet they get a day of game-content to pore over for PR tells, breadcrumbs, vanilla tells and the like. If you can't see why this makes no lynching a valuable D1 play for scum, you're already a detriment to the twon.

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Here we go, gonna pull one out of Fate's book here.

MacDougall, I'm pulling the 1v1 card here. Quite simple.

We lynch you today. If you flip scum, I'm right and booyah, go me. If you flip town, we lynch me tomorrow. Quite simple. If you're town, you realize that you dying, while not a great move, provides a wealth of information and is not a huge detriment to the town.

@The Rest of the Town: This is how confident I am in this read. Time for you all to nut up or shut up and stop pussyfooting around the fact that we have a viable lynch here and start doing something about it.

[EtherealCookie]

The viable lynch is Vez.
I don't much care for the possibility of both of you being town and wasting two lynches.
Vez is a fucking beacon of scumminess.

[SodaSpirit17]

I've seen newbie scum do the NL as well. And I jumped on him too. Kicked my ass afterwards... It's a legit scumslip.

[MattP]

We lynch you today. If you flip scum, I'm right and booyah, go me. If you flip town, we lynch me tomorrow.

Worst strategy ever.

I hate when people offer this. Especially since you're probably town.

Anyways, I am 99% positive Andrius is town based on his wall. VERY insightful Andrius. Looking back, I do agree mostly with MacDougall talking so plainly about Shinki being cop looking scummy. Hell, why the fuck would a townie do that? I kind of think MD would make more sense as an indie than scum though.

I don't get MD's "no lynch" post but I don't think it's a HUGE deal. I could write it off as being newbie if anything.

Since I haven't posted my reads yet I can say fairly confidently that Andrius, EtherealCookie and AGar are village. I still think Soda is scum but he has gone into super-stalk mode lately. Vezok looks like VI but could very possibly be scum. Both should post more so I can get better reads.

[MattP]

@MOD

: Can you fix my quote tags? Thanks.

[SodaSpirit17]

Also, I'm a bit concerned how AGar says it's either him or Mcdougall. I want both of them to claim now. If needbe I can claim with them as well.

MattP- why do you think i'm scum?

[MattP]

SleepyKrew... seriously?

unvote
Vote: SleepyKrew for being an idiot
unvote
Vote: DavidX. Sure whainaut

Why did you vote for David then? Actual reasoning please. No bullshit like, "whainot". SleepyKrew dayvigd Samantha on a horrible whim and then says, "Ohay ever1 lez kill diz gui" and you just shrug and vote? Scummy scummy scum scum.

It's so tempting to hammer SK to get rid of him ... but I believe he his aligned with me.

QFT. However, if we want to take the risk, we could. It might not pay off though. I don't see any of his actions at all to be towny.

It

might

not pay off? You mean lynching the player that just proved he was a day vig may perhaps not pay off? Of course it wouldn't pay off.

These two posts make me think Soda is scum. I'm going to try and be more vocal now about my reads. Apologies.

^This post explains is SS17, and on top of that you have been very quiet. You still haven't answered my question from this post.

New info which makes you look suspicious to me:

i had my suspicions of vezok earlier.

Drawing suspicion on vezok with no reasoning as to why. Seem to be trying to cause a lynch on him and whether that is to save yourself or to get rid of scum I would like some more explanation. Why do you have suspicion of vezok?

I could support an AGar lynch, or some pressure at least.

Here is a second post where you call someone out, this time outright supporting a lynch. Why do you support a lynch? How would one put pressure on AGar? It seems by this point you are not saying these things to promote or facilitate village discussion but rather to make the blame get off of you.

I've seen newbie scum do the NL as well. And I jumped on him too. Kicked my ass afterwards... It's a legit scumslip.

And here is a THIRD attempt, on a THIRD player, to get them lynched. First vezok, then AGar, and then MacDougall. You provide no reasoning for any of them, instigate no voting on them but wait for others to (which I personally believe is very scummy since you try to avoid being in the spotlight per say) and are being incredibly quiet. All three of these things make me think you are scum.

[Wraith]

@MOD

: Can you fix my quote tags? Thanks.

You can't quote URLs like that, dude.

[SodaSpirit17]

that was during the RVSstage..

[MattP]

that was during the RVSstage..

I wouldn't have considered that point part of the RV stage. Also you failed to repsond to any other part of my post.

[Otolia]

Though I know it's very difficult for scum to win a lynched or be lynched situation, I'm reluctant to use it in this situation. I'm not sure it's really useful against MacDougall. Let's see what Magua and Andrius have to say about it.

Concerning the wake-up of SodaSpirit, I don't think you can get anyone to claim right now. It looks very suspicious to ask for claims when yourself is highly suspected. And please don't try to divert the lynch unto vezok, that's just bad.

@PeregrineV : You better start pushing for my lynch or vote someone else, compared to AGar's case, it's weak.

[MacDougall]

I'm not gonna play that game with you Agar when you are like a no read to me. All of my scumread on you I keep putting down to OMGUS and I'm not willing to justify allowing myself to be lynched just to have you lynched tomorrow, and allow the other, more scummy players, a free ride.

If you want to lynch me fine, but my dying request won't be for Agar's lynch. It will be for Vezok's.

[PeregrineV]

Though I know it's very difficult for scum to win a lynched or be lynched situation, I'm reluctant to use it in this situation. I'm not sure it's really useful against MacDougall. Let's see what Magua and Andrius have to say about it.

Concerning the wake-up of SodaSpirit, I don't think you can get anyone to claim right now. It looks very suspicious to ask for claims when yourself is highly suspected. And please don't try to divert the lynch unto vezok, that's just bad.

@PeregrineV : You better start pushing for my lynch or vote someone else, compared to AGar's case, it's weak.

I haven't decided about MacDougall or Soda yet, who look to be leaders for today.

Does AGar have a case on you? I didn't see it.

[AGar]

Also, I'm a bit concerned how AGar says it's either him or Mcdougall. I want both of them to claim now. If needbe I can claim with them as well.

MattP- why do you think i'm scum?

There's no need for me to claim at this point. I'm not being lynched today, MacDougall is.

I'm not gonna play that game with you Agar when you are like a no read to me. All of my scumread on you I keep putting down to OMGUS and I'm not willing to justify allowing myself to be lynched just to have you lynched tomorrow, and allow the other, more scummy players, a free ride.

If you want to lynch me fine, but my dying request won't be for Agar's lynch. It will be for Vezok's.

Thanks scum, this is all I needed to see.

[MacDougall]

Also, I'm a bit concerned how AGar says it's either him or Mcdougall. I want both of them to claim now. If needbe I can claim with them as well.

MattP- why do you think i'm scum?

There's no need for me to claim at this point. I'm not being lynched today, MacDougall is.

I'm not gonna play that game with you Agar when you are like a no read to me. All of my scumread on you I keep putting down to OMGUS and I'm not willing to justify allowing myself to be lynched just to have you lynched tomorrow, and allow the other, more scummy players, a free ride.

If you want to lynch me fine, but my dying request won't be for Agar's lynch. It will be for Vezok's.

Thanks scum, this is all I needed to see.

Lol typical. So in your weirdo world a town player would go along with your idea with a town read on you? You're starting to fall apart Agar.