The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Ellibereth]

^^^This is how someone defends their mason buddy?????

You certainly thought it was a weird defense before, at least enough to ask for meta on Ooba making such defenses, how is that inconsistent with a mason trying to defend someone they know is town without straight up coming out and saying they are masons?

@MoI

Stop trying to turn this into a you vs. S&M. I don't doubt that you are town, you are stupid to still think S&M is likely scum though, and neither of you are getting lynched today. We aren't giving up a chance at lynching someone that has a real shot at being mafia just to save your ass.

my mason buddy is heavy lurking
therefore all heavy lurkers are town

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Empking

As much as this whole situation is hella confusing, Amrun does make a good point that we don't have to choose between them and MoI today. We have a Seraph-declared scumbag, let's go with that lynch now and see what shakes out of this Turin thing.

[SpyreX]

Yes and we have a murderin death robot to take care of that scum.

It boils down to this AND ABSOLUTELY JUST THIS: Do you think MoI is town?

If the answer is yes well then:

a.) his role is more useful.
b.) his play is more useful than 4 players at this point.
c.) lynching someone else KILLING HIM AND HIM FLIPPING COP IS GOING TO CAUSE THIS IDIOCY AGAIN TOMORROW.

Lynching S&M,

even if they are a town vig mason space pirate vampire whirlygig

, at this juncture is the right move in every scenario except "MoI scum bussed a mason that claimed miller for lolllzzzzz before lylo after garnering a whole 1 vote this game"

[Gut]

I don't agree with a) or c) and I don't even know what b) means. The Cop guilty means very little in this game, Amrun claiming miller to Ooba long before the Cop investigation is enough for me. I mean I'm not saying the slot is confirmed town, I just don't think its all that likely that they are scum. Useless? Sure. More deserving of dying? Sure. But they don't actually have a reasonable chance of being scum. Do you really think the mafia have a vig? Cause the way kills fell there was a missing killer before Amruns claim.

The choice isn't between S&M and MoI like you all are framing it, its between S&M and (MoI and a lynch of our choosing), giving up that lynch is a big deal.

[Vi]

I suppose you may want one of these.

VOTE COUNT #3.1

Sun and Moon -

5

- Empking, MagnaofIllusion, Ellibereth, Andrius, SpyreX
Empking - 4 - Gut, Sun and Moon, ooba, Mastermind of Sin
Furcolow - 1 - Herodotus

Not Voting (7): Dekes, mockingjaye, Furcolow, Feysal, kanyeknowsbest, Espeonage, Will-o-wisp

With 17 alive it will take 9 votes to lynch.

Espeonage has been prodded.
mockingjaye has been prodded.

[Ellibereth]

PLEASE let this be right time
Saw Empking wagon and shit so checked

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 0&sr=posts

[Ellibereth]

oh fuck he posted yesterday elli fails again
I just think this environment is still just perfect for scumolurko and don't feel like being the one to debate s/m right now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD - As usual I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EST today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

[Herodotus]

@Ellibereth: I think we all agree that Empking is likely scum, but if Sunandmoon is also scum, we should lynch sunandmoon first.

Where is ooba?
Also, Amrun, you should forward your questions to Vi if Plum hasn't answered, as it appears Vi is the backup mod and may answer if Plum is V/LA.

[Amrun]

v/la until monday

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't agree with a) or c) and I don't even know what b) means. The Cop guilty means very little in this game, Amrun claiming miller to Ooba long before the Cop investigation is enough for me. I mean I'm not saying the slot is confirmed town, I just don't think its all that likely that they are scum. Useless? Sure. More deserving of dying? Sure. But they don't actually have a reasonable chance of being scum. Do you really think the mafia have a vig? Cause the way kills fell there was a missing killer before Amruns claim.

The choice isn't between S&M and MoI like you all are framing it, its between S&M and (MoI and a lynch of our choosing), giving up that lynch is a big deal.

Wait, who do you think the mafia killed Night 1?

[SpyreX]

The choice isn't between S&M and MoI like you all are framing it, its between S&M and (MoI and a lynch of our choosing), giving up that lynch is a big deal.

Except, yea it is.

The "lynch of our choosing" is a busted scum that we have a nightkilling death robot to deal with.

No one is arguing empking is dead. Hell, he's not even posting.

So, lynching empking now is simply killing MoI and with that flip doing this dance again tomorrow with the "added benefit" of nothing being changed and a dead MoI.

Absolutely not worth it.

[Mist Beauty]

V/LA 2 days, got to sort out some stuff at home

[mockingjaye]

I'm reading now and will be caught up tomorrow.

[Gut]

Wait, who do you think the mafia killed Night 1?

No one? Failed kills aren't particularly uncommon.

SpyreX, I don't think this dance is justified today, so there's no reason we'd do this dance again "tomorrow". Unless ooba + S&M are scum claiming masons, we know why there's a guilty result. Arguing that we're not wasting our lynch on non-scum by appealing to Feysal is silly - letting S&M live gives us a lynch and 2 vig shots.

[Empking]

Is it agreed that I'm the vigkill? Should I claim?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Unless ooba S&M are scum claiming masons, we know why there's a guilty result.

No, ooba and S&M are claiming Neighbors not Masons. Their RolePMs DO NOT say they are alignment confirmed. That Amrun had to check is proof of this.

S&M partner found. Otherwise you wouldn't keep saying they were alignment confirmed when the evidence clearly shows that they aren't.

[Gut]

Oh, shut up, MoI.

Empking, you're Today's lynch, not the vig kill.

[Empking]

Oh, shut up, MoI.

Empking, you're Today's lynch, not the vig kill.

That's not what the vote count says.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh, shut up, MoI.

Empking, you're Today's lynch, not the vig kill.

No, U!

Seriously ... this is your response? It is pretty telling that you can't argue the facts.

Scum-partner confirmed.

[Gut]

Whatever. Have fun in your network of tunnels. At least you won't get mislynched over it this time, like in Invictus.

@Empking, if the VC said you were Today's lynch, it would be Night.

[Gut]

Well, when you're arguing fake facts...

edit: Got ninja'd by myself, thats always fun!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, when you're arguing fake facts...

edit: Got ninja'd by myself, thats always fun!

Put up or shut up Gut. What 'fake facts' are you referring to.

That's right ... I'm calling you out on direct lying right here.

If you can't provide what 'fake facts' I'm arguing you are just scum using the typical 'rhetoric' route of dismisal when you know you can't actually challenge what I'm saying on a factual basis. And I know you can't since there are none.

Scum.

[Gut]

Where have I said that they are alignment confirmed? (Hint: I haven't) I still think its possible, we have to wait for them to get back and see. I do think its highly unlikely that that they are scum either way, and thats all I've ever said.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Scum response.

Feysal

- Please shoot Gut tonight. Thanks!

More Sun and Moon votes please!!!!!!