Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Also something else I noticed about your posts but don't think saying exactly what is pro-town.

Amrun, that quote was directed at Luxury. Do you think it's pro-town now to say what you were thinking then?

No, I don't.

Catching up now.

[Amrun]

There's not really "so much unexplained stuff". N1 is explained, N2 is explained. It's only N3 that isn't explained.

Doesn't mean Junpei's not scum, I just want to clarify what seems to be a misperception.

Amrun:

I wagon hop to see what shakes out - always, especally early game. Wagons are super informative.

After CC and Vi voted, Junpei very clearly fabricated reasons to suspect saulres. It read to me as looking for an excuse to get on the biggest wagon <snip>

VOTE: Junpei

In the first quote you defend yourself as town by claiming your wagon hopping is a town strategy.

In the second you vote Junpei for doing the exact same thing.

Reconcile please?

...
There's nothing to reconcile. Wagon hopping can be a pro-town strategy and I use it as such. Awkwardly clambering onto a wagon in a way that reads as opportunistic is not at all the same thing.

I understand where you're coming from in relation to Crabs hydra dissonace and contradiction in stances taken but I've played in a lot of hydras myself and a change of read or reversal of read is very very common and understandable as town. I still very much feel we should be lynching between Anxiety and Amrun today though not including the roleblocking on Anxiety and him being scum making sense with the missing kills his play reads as town so I'm uncertain on him to a degree and would prefer an Amrun lynch over him at the moment. The fact that she never claimed her amazing ability until after Snake stated she had it still continues to read as incredibly off-putting as does inclusion of an ability that she 'doesn't know what it does'.

Also right now our strongest town-read by a long way is Saulres though I still think Junpei is likely town due to the claim as well,

mafia having direct control to two kills is incredibly overpowered

and inclusion of re-director makes a great deal of sense.

Vote: Amrun

How do you know mafia has a normal kill?



The CC mess was boring and completely useless. Nothing even resembles a scumslip there.

The only thing worth noting from it is that Junpei massively fencesat and made himself look even scummier.

[saulres]

No, I don't.

Well I hope you feel it's the right time before it's too late to make any use of it. Unless we hit scum with our lynch this could very well be the last day, if Vi's theory of 3 remaining scum (which is what I think she left believing) is accurate.

It might be the last day anyway if the lynch and the vig shot both hit townies. So any information to make sure both of those don't come true is extremely valuable. I'm not sure when you're saving your information for...

[Amrun]

It's just a tiny thing. I don't think it will do much good and it could do harm.

[SnakePlissken]

Back from V/LA catching up will posts thoughts today.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote Count 4.6

Amrun (L-2) - Crab Canon, Luxury
4nxi3ty (L-2) - Amrun, Junpei
Crab Canon (L-3) - 4nxi3ty

Not Voting (2) - SnakePlissken, saulres

Deadline: Wednesday November 2 @ 11:00 AM Eastern
Countdown: (expired on 2011-11-02 11:00:00)

[saulres]

Really looking forward to those thoughts, Snake. I'm not placing any votes bringing someone to L-1 just so you can quickhammer again, until after you've posted *some* kind of useful comments.

I'm almost done with my whole read-through (just got to day 4). I did a semi-PBPA of the rest of you noting scummy things and townie things. I have a few items I need to go back and look at, and then I'll have my town-to-scum scale done. I'll use that to decide who I'm willing to hammer if the opportunity arises, and who I'll send the tiger after, but as stated earlier I don't think it's in our best interest to publicize that information in case the scum have more redirections (if they even had any in the first place).

I do think there are a couple of people whose flips would be more informative than others, but I'm not sure I should post those thoughts because I'm very worried we're in a MyLo situation now so "informative" wouldn't be a good reason to lynch today.

[saulres]

Snake, what's the flavor of your cop ability?

Snake, would like an answer for this too when you post. Thanks.

[Amrun]

How could sharing those things hurt?

[saulres]

How could sharing those things hurt?

By giving scum, if they have another redirect, the knowledge of who they should redirect from. My understanding of the Redirector role is that the redirector targets the target, not the performer. So last night it was reasonable to assume that they'd need to redirect off of 4nxi3ty or off of you. I don't want to give them that information again.

I see that the possibility exists but is rare that they'd target me to redirect my action, but there's nothing I could do about that anyway (and it does say it's extremely rare).

[saulres]

well, are you gonna support me or not? depending upon your answer i may continue to ignore you.

4nxi3ty, if you're town, please start acting like it. "Blackmailing" me to respond to questions is not doing that. Neither, in my opinion, is the single-minded tunneling you've been doing on CC. Unless you have reason to think there's only one scum left, I'd like to see some scumhunting from you that isn't zero-ing in on one person.

[saulres]

I have a theory...

Show of hands: How many people yesterday thought that second to Vi, Ace was the most townie of the rest of us remaining?

[saulres]

Ah, scratch that. It wouldn't have proven anything anyway.

[saulres]

One more question, 4nxi3ty. Something I didn't understand.

Are you seriously going to "plead the fifth" again?

sure why not as long as junpei doesn't listen to you.

What was the concern here about Junpei?

[Amrun]

I have a theory...

Show of hands: How many people yesterday thought that second to Vi, Ace was the most townie of the rest of us remaining?

I did, and stated as much.

[Crab Canon]

I feel like only half the people are playing this game.

Amrun, you would still lynch Junpei today despite his claim?

[Amrun]

It depends on who it was between, tbh.

Between anxiety and junpei, probably anxiety.

Between anyone else and junpei ... probably junpei.

His claim does make it tricky, but he's the scummiest player by far. We could lose a vig, but we're getting down in numbers and an uncontrollable vig is getting to be more risk than reward. I trust saulres. I don't trust Junpei. MAYBE after Junpei is gone, saulres can vig properly.

[Crab Canon]

MAYBE after Junpei is gone, saulres can vig properly.

Our hydra is kind of wondering this too.

saulres - what are your feelings on potentially taking sole control of the vig ability? Junpei has been scummy and taking him out of the equation may help to simplify whatever is going on with the vig kill at night.

[saulres]

I am not opposed to taking Junpei out of the equation

if

my analysis determines he's likely scum. And however he flips will be very telling for the setup.

But

-- I'm very concerned that we could be at MyLo, so I'm not going to rush into voting Junpei if my analysis comes out with him in my top 3 town reads. Unless someone can put forth a convincing argument that there's a SK in the game, or only 2 remaining scum.

[Amrun]

Idk why you would assume here wasn't two remaining scum. 3 scum is standard for minis. Not set in stone, of course, but standard.

[4nxi3ty]

*anx*~hmm is junpei scum?

*cc and saul*~we are considering lynching junpei. amrun, join us.

confirm vote: cc

[saulres]

Newbie card: I don't have that experience to tell how many are standard. Vi does, and before the vigs were revealed, she was changing her mind between 3 remaining scum or 2 scum and an SK. After my claim, she thought there were 3 remaining scum with no kill of their own.

pedit: You know Amrun suggested it first, right?

[saulres]

ONCE AGAIN

THOSE POSTS ARE SAYING VI'S THEORY AS I UNDERSTOOD IT IS DUMB

NOT THAT GNR IS TOWN

BECAUSE SAYING GNR IS TOWN IN

THAT SITUATION ASSUMES SCUM SHOT VI

AND I DO NOT THINK THAT HAPPENED

READING COMPREHENSION, PEOPLE

Amrun, what do

you

think happened to the missing shot on N1?

[saulres]

i have a theory of why riggs never flipped penn, would like to test the validity of it sometime this weekend.

4nxi3ty, what was this theory and were you able to test it?

[4nxi3ty]

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