NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

Beck, you haven't posted anything worth reading besides beyond stupid posts.

i'd be careful, this could be grounds for the mod to force replace you.

[sorgster]

Why do you wish to be modkilled? That doesn't help the town.

[Revenus]

I'm not calling you stupid Beck, I'm calling your posts stupid.

[theamatuer]

OK. 3 things.
1. Beck, cool off for 1 hour or so. Play something else like Team Fortresss for a while.
2. Rev, try making some iso's for some other players and figure out who else would be town or scum.
3. SV is actually pushing for a modkill here. Get him.

[Pine]

3. SV is actually pushing for a modkill here. Get him.

lolwhut? Where?

Revenus, I'll type slowly and use small words: If you flip Town. Your reads are

vindicated

Town-motivated. We would then know you weren't faking them. So we pay extra attention to them on D2. Not understanding how your reads might be vindicated if you flip Town indicates to me that you don't think that's going to happen.

[sorgster]

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

[Beck]

I'm not calling you stupid Beck, I'm calling your posts stupid.

Yet you haven't responded to any of my posts actually explaining why my posts or cases were wrong, other than just calling them stupid.

[Pine]

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

Umm, no.

[Beck]

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

I'm normally not this bad, but when people call me stupid or retarded that crosses a line, especially when they say my cases are crap and can't explain why and than call me scum for no reason.

[Faraday]

If Faraday is town (which he is), then town should follow him like the pied piper because he seems like the only one in this game who actually has a grip and is trying. And he's a replacement.

i'm only here for a few more days too!

[Faraday]

beck. you're town. your slot is town. don't get modkilled. don't even replace out. just literally ignore the people who are pissing you off for the rest of the day if you need to and hope you get killed or they get killed at night. it's a large game we have a vig, relax. breathe. don't get fucking modkilled.

[popsofctown]

Beck I'll make a deal with you, if you don't get modkilled, I'll start reading your posts again.

[ZeL1nK]

lol opportunism and cognitive dissonance. I've gotta hand it to you, Rev, in the last couple of days of silence, I was drifting back towards my early Town read on you, chalking your bad reactions and such up to a reactionary personality (I have a small amount of that myself - see my early arguments with Beck.) But you've had days to cool off, and are still making slips.

What slips? You accidentally just called Beck Town with your attempts to cover up the "we're not going to kill you" slip.

This is terrible.

I know I've done shit like this before as town, when someone amazingly scummy says "lol I'm going to be NKed" and I've replied with something like "scum isn't going to NK you".

Add rolefishing into the evidence.

This is even worse, because it was clearly sarcasm...

Jesus fucking christ, my town read on you evaporated in a single post. That's quite an achievement.

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It saddens me that ta, one of the scummiest players in the game, is one of the only people not taking the opportunity to attack Rev for this.

[Revenus]

theam has a town read on me and for him to drop it over those posts wouldn't look good for his read progression if he's scum.

[ZeL1nK]

Yeah, that's my point, though. It's weird that one of my bigger scum reads is one of the only ones not trying to capitalise on the "slip"

[Pine]

You're not seeing the scumslip, Zel1nk. I'll break it down for you.

oh are we back to lynching beck, i'm still down

Unvote

Vote:Beck

for many many reasons that i've gone over before.

This post displays opportunism. Beck isn't getting lynched. We all know he isn't, and yet Revenus is willing to jump at any chance for our D1 lynch to be policy-based. Opportunism.

and no sane mafia is going NK you Beck as you are clearly not a power role.

This statement is fine, more or less, except that he's saying that no Mafia would kill Beck. This indicates that the first quote in this set of four is clearly policy-based, as it reveals a belief in Beck as Town.

also because you are mafia

Here's where it becomes a scumslip. Revenus confuses his motives, and tries to cover up for it by saying "Oh, but we should lynch you for being scum." WHAT? You just, effectively, called him Town. This is

major

cognitive dissonance

, of the sort that originates, with very few exceptions, from minds trying to pretend at scumhunting.

And you've also "confirmed" me as scum. Are you some dayvig daycop rolled into one?

This is plain-as-day rolefishing. What part of that is not clear? Beck has softclaimed a PR like a mofo, despite that being a stupid move. Here, Revenus is trying to goad Beck's frustration and generally gullible nature into a full claim, which would be a BAD THING for Town (are you listening Beck? Do not claim unless it becomes necesary). As it stands, the scum team must weigh the pros and cons of shooting Beck. He's softclaiming a strong PR, so they might want to get rid of him. On the other hand, softclaiming a PR can draw the Doc's protection (and Beck is probably not the Doc, as he requested protection), thereby negating their kill attempt. If there's a Town Watcher on Beck, it could be even worse in that they could lose a member. Et cetera. Softclaiming like this is one of the few types of WIFOM that works

for

the Town instead of against it. By attempting to trick Beck into claiming, Revenus is seeking to negate this advantage.

PE: Theam is simply maintaining his stated read. If Town, he is simply not convinced by the scum slip (though I hope this post sways him). If scum, he's just sticking to his story and choosing not to bus his buddy. It's not a shocker. Busing your buddy over this with a previously-stated Townread would be a poor, transparent move.

[Revenus]

If I were doc, I wouldn't be saving Beck.

[Revenus]

And calling me out on "rolefishing" is stupid; Beck has called attention to his OWN softclaim and has repeatedly stated that he'll "die" unless he gets doc protection. Now, I don't want to direct night actions like Pine wants to, but to say that I'm trying to "rolefish" when Beck is saying things like "i've softclaimed and therefore am immune to being lynched and should be town leader" is ridiculous.

[Pine]

Lol, where am I directing night actions of any kind? I was talking about the scum night discussion, a place I've often been. The agonizing over who is the exact right person to shoot, struggling with the WIFOM of who a Doc or other protective role might protect, worrying about who a Watcher will observe or who a Tracker might follow. Quit misrepresenting my very valid points against you.

Beck's ridiculousness has no bearing on your attempts to rolefish him. Just because he can't keep his alleged role in his pants doesn't mean Town should be falling for it. Indeed, waving it out there as bait for anxious scum is a pretty decent strategy, and in the (unlikely) event that Beck did this on purpose to catch rolefishers, he would deserve kudos. I'd call it reverse rolefishing, and you got caught by it.

[Revenus]

You're directing the doc, AGAIN.


I wasn't caught by anything, and Beck is definitely not intelligent enough to lay traps. Stop defending him.

[Pine]

By the by, here are some examples of where you

have

given advice or direction to those with night actions:

If I were doc, I wouldn't be saving Beck.

Vig should be shooting people they think are scum anyways

And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

Now obviously, we all say things like that. I've certainly said things similar to the above, most notably in pointing out who I consider to be vigbait.

Just try to check whether or not you're a hypocrite next time you go calling the kettle black, kay?

PE: I'm going to ignore your future attempts at fabricating a way in which either of those quotes look anything like directing the Doc. Here I

am

directing the Doc/bodyguard/whatever: Don't protect Beck.

Suck on my WIFOM, scum.

[Revenus]

Doc

[Revenus]

btw i'm going to nightvig you beck

You don't announce that. Doc on Revenus, please.

[Revenus]

And I haven't directed any night actions. I've laid down hypothetical situations where if I was a specific power role, then I would act in xx fashion in that situation.


And your last quote quotes me discussion scum night game theory, which I don't know why you brought up to defend your blatant attempts to direct protection to town's worst player.

[vijay2vasandani]

Hmm I don't know, 1490 made sense to me.

However anybody notice ScreamingHawk? He jumped onto another bandwagon,(mine this time), and sheeped somebody else.

VOTE: ScreamingHawk