NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

Vote vijay with me dawg

What's your case on him?

[Pine]

Well, I think that Pine's rev vote is very opportunistic...

How so? The wagon on Revenus was practically dead, and he was lurking. There was no opportunity. If anything, you might argue that I had to work hard to get it going again. Some of the people that jumped on after I re-initiated the wagon with sheepy votes, THAT can be interpreted as opportunistic.

I swear to god, "Opportunistic" is a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot on this site, and no one fucking uses it right.

[Faraday]

your face is opportunistic.

[sorgster]

@Ze1ink, you can click display posts by and add every name other than mine to do so. Have fun.

[Beck]

You can only add 2 names i think

[Pine]

You're not seeing the scumslip, Zel1nk.

Oh, I knew exactly what you were referring to, and I know I've said similar stuff as town, so I know it isn't a scum slip. It's a frame-of-mind-slip and doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of Revenus's alignment.

If you've ever talked to one of your major suspects and considered the hypothetical that they're actually town, then you've probably made a similar "slip" in a past game.

An example? Have you ever told a scum suspect that they're "wrong" or something along the lines of "lynching me is bad" or whatever? Or seen town do this?

This happens when you forget to add the clause "In the hypothetical universe in which you are town..." before every sentence because it's assumed the person you're talking to understands what you mean without saying it.

It's not a scum slip.

I disagree with you, but at least see where you're coming from.

(Faraday, last night your mom's face was opportunistic...opportunistically swallowing what I gave her to swallow.)

[Zdenek]

Well, I think that Pine's rev vote is very opportunistic...

How so? The wagon on Revenus was practically dead, and he was lurking. There was no opportunity. If anything, you might argue that I had to work hard to get it going again. Some of the people that jumped on after I re-initiated the wagon with sheepy votes, THAT can be interpreted as opportunistic.

I swear to god, "Opportunistic" is a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot on this site, and no one fucking uses it right.

Vote on a player whose under suspicion from a few other players for a reason that's mediocre to bad, but that you are pretty sure is good enough that you can justify keeping your vote on him until the end of the day without raising too many hackles.

[Faraday]

you bought her dinner? awesome. that's nice of you

(I'll stop spamming now maybe)

[Pine]

@Zdenek: That only works if I feel the reasons for votes on Revenus are bad, or if I don't actually believe in a Revenus lynch. Hell, my whole change of read on Revenus is the opposite of opportunistic. Assuming for a moment that I'm scum and Revenus is Town, I could very easily have just stayed right the hell where I was on him several days ago and rubbed everyone's faces in it when he flipped Town. But I'm not scum, he's not Town, and I do actually believe the evidence against him is damning. Look at his reactions to being wagoned. He got emotional, panicky, personal, failed to engage most of the accusations against him, made repeated small scumslips, disappeared for days until the heat died down, then reappeared and made even bigger slips, rinse and fucking repeat.

(We went out for Italian, it was a very nice night. See you in about nine months.)

[Beck]

Definition of opportunistic: "taking advantage of opportunities as they arise"

Thanks webster's dictionary.

Any one who jumps on a wagon without a damn good reason is opportunistic. Now if they can support their vote when asked to explain why they voted, than it's not really opportunisim.

[vijay2vasandani]

Now that there are a lot of people on my wagon, can I get the cases on me?

[Pine]

Eh, you give a general impression of scumminess, but I have a difficult time nailing down

why

exactly. In my experience, that's more often (though not always) a red herring, and indicative of a careless Town playstyle.

[Sky]

The wagon on Rev has got the wrong reasons. The rolefishing part I'm pretty sure was a joke and not to be taken seriously, just like Rev and Beck's entire argument. As for the scum slip, that's more of a possibility but the guy multi posts like a mother fucker. I don't think it's much to get too excited over.

That being said, I do not believe Rev is town. His play has been all over the place, but as for being the lynch today I do not support it.

My thoughts on Soda: Typical lurker. Little input. Not helpful. Hops wagons. Not town. But not necessarily scum. I mean, I could go for a Soda lynch, but I fail to see how this is anything different than funky. Or ScreamingHawk.

[DarthYoshi]

Day One, Vote Count the

Dancing Queen, Young And Sweet, Only Seventeen

Terribad ABBA song:

vijay2vasandani (5): popsofctown, bvoigt, SodaSpirit17, ScreamingHawk, revenus
Revenus (4): DavidParker, Pine, sorgster, Beck, vijay2vasandani
Slandaar (2): ThAdmiral, mastin2
ThAdmiral (2): Slandaar, Hiraki
SodaSpirit17 (2): ZeL1nk, IAAUN/Faraday
Beck (1): Shattered Viewpoint
sword_of_omens (1): Sky
Popsofctown (1): Zdenek
Shattered Viewpoint (1): theamatuer
Not Voting (2): sword_of_omens, funkybike1

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 2ND @ 10PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

@SV: Sorry. The warning was designed to not single out any single player since I imagine the biggest culprits know who they are. If you are genuinely worried about a modkill, please feel free to shoot me a PM.

Do it! chkflip isn't the mod anymore!

The ruleset remains intact, directly quoting any communication from the mod is punishable by modkill.

DavidParker has not picked up his prod. Initiating a search for a replacement now.

[Pine]

That being said, I do not believe Rev is town. His play has been all over the place, but as for being the lynch today I do not support it.

lolwhut? Fencesit a bit more.

[Sky]

Lolno. I'm not joining the wagon. That's not fence sitting. It's called refusa. I find Rev null. We all have null reads.

[vijay2vasandani]

There isn't much happening in this game, Right? Am I right in saying there are 6 days to the deadline? Coz I don't want a no-lynch, K? Especially because we have several possible lynch targets. Random number generator gave me ThAd as a Target so imma ISO him.

[popsofctown]

I can compromise to soda spirit but i prefer vijay

[Pine]

That being said,

I do not believe Rev is town

. His play has been all over the place, but

as for being the lynch today I do not support it.

So you don't think he's Town, but you don't support lynching him. WHAT?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

Due to the Moderator severely restricting my posting abilities, I cannot possibly comment on this.

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

I'm normally not this bad, but when people call me stupid or retarded that crosses a line, especially when they say my cases are crap and can't explain why and than call me scum for no reason.

Due to the Moderator severely restricting my posting abilities, I cannot possibly comment on this.

[ThAdmiral]

Every time. 10 new pages. Ugh.

Anyway I notice people seem to be talking about the 3-4-5 thing. If you notice I actually say:

the 2 people on that wagon I am most leery of is bvoigt and theamateur

I think the money place to look for scum on that wagon is the three S's: slaandar, sky and sodaspirit. Combination of gut feeling, my pre-existing suspicion of sky, and the fact that 3, 4, and 5 are the cliche cushy scum positions on any given wagon.

So the 3-4-5 thing was third in a list of three reasons why I thought scum might be among the 3 s's. I even admit that the 3-4-5 tell is not some super strong ultra-tell by describing it as "cliche".

Anyway.

I also notice slandaar is asking my why I think funkybike is town. I'm pretty sure I've answered this, but if I had to put it in a sentence it is largely because he is playing with a devil-may-care attitude.

@Thad,

OK, lurker, got it. What's your read on him, though?

Null without Iso'ing him. I'll do that later.

...to be continued

[Pine]

Okay, I've been reviewing SV's completed games. They're all listed here. Full disclosure, I've only looked at scum games so far, and I was skimming his ISO for behavioral clues rather than context. So far, his behavior seems in line with his meta as SV. However, i still regard it as similar to what I recall of Nobody Special as Town, though to a greater degree of dickishness. So it's inconclusive thus far, but plausible either way. I'm starting to think that NS/SV is just one of those people that meta doesn't work on. I'm told meta doesn't work well on me, either. I'll do more archive binging in the morning.

[mastin2]

Dead tired, overworked, and busy elsewhere, but I still am trying to keep up.

Noticed something about six-days-from-now-deadline, and a mention of a Soda lynch compromise.

Unvote, Vote: Soda

.

Looking at the votecount, one of the lynches (Revenus) I will not go for, and I don't remember what (if any) read I have on vijay (the other wagon), so probably not a good wagon there, either.

[Beck]

The wagon on Rev has got the wrong reasons. The rolefishing part I'm pretty sure was a joke and not to be taken seriously, just like Rev and Beck's entire argument. As for the scum slip, that's more of a possibility but the guy multi posts like a mother fucker. I don't think it's much to get too excited over.

That being said, I do not believe Rev is town. His play has been all over the place, but as for being the lynch today I do not support it.

My thoughts on Soda: Typical lurker. Little input. Not helpful. Hops wagons. Not town. But not necessarily scum. I mean, I could go for a Soda lynch, but I fail to see how this is anything different than funky. Or ScreamingHawk.

if you don't think he is town, why would you not want him lynched?

[Beck]

Lolno. I'm not joining the wagon. That's not fence sitting. It's called refusa. I find Rev null. We all have null reads.

seems to contradict the statement that you don't think he is town