Okay so I've been waiting to out my reads because I wanted to go over everything with Slaxx but I now realize he can just do what Soben did if he disagrees with me, so here goes.
Funfact: I'm actually am really sick so you should feel sorry for me more than you feel sorry for Katty. :3
Clear is 10, confirmed scum is 1
Uphill: 8
, I've already made my case for why I think Uphill is town. Most of it can be read in post 92. (
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3542452) My read on Uphill started out at about a nine but his lack of content and the fact that he unvoted Katty absolutely docked him a point. I can follow the reason behind his recent vote but I am puzzled why he unvoted her at all. The way I see it, lynching scum is lynching scum and nothing bionicchop2 has done has been more scummy than Katty and Katty hasn't done anything to redeem herself. This is heightened by the fact that he did this after my case on her. No one really expressed a disagreement with it so I assume you at least thought some of it was valid so I'm am a bit puzzled why there aren't more Katty votes but that's another topic.
Soben: 8
, Soben's play probably deserves higher than this but to speak plainly, I am afraid of him. I'd like to think I had the ability to read him back when we played EM together almost everyday but I haven't spoken to him in six months prior to this game and this is a different mafia format. I want to tell you what I do know about Regfan (Scumhunter is actually a harder read because I don't know him as well). He is one of the most logical people I know and his town play always reflects this. His biggest fault is the fact that his townplay is so good that as scum he can't afford to be as good because his lynches can't be correct. The best way to read him is wait for him to push on someone, if said person towntells even a little and Reg doesn't react to it or unvote, he's probably scum. When the person he's leaning on starts to towntell he almost always tunnels and get louder. I'm pretty sure this is because he wants to distract you from the fact that the person towntelled. If he's lynching scum, he's usually a lot more laid back and just piles on the logic (this is what I think he's done this game). The reason why I'm telling all of you this even though he can read it is because I don't think that he'll be able to NOT do this even if he knows we're watching. Because he's so good, there's just this gap that you can't fill because as scum your lynch targets must be wrong to win. Now the reason I say his play deserves a high town read is because he has been very open about his reads. He's been quick to assign townreads and scumreads which reads as legitimate scumhunting. And when probed for his reasoning, I feel that he's always had legitimate reasons that have swayed me into thinking like him. I really like how his early reads mirrored how Slaxx and I were feeling and when this happens it's usually a sign of us being on the same team. I also like Scumhunter's addition because the reads I didn't completely agree with Regfan on, he didn't either. That's all I can give you. His play probably deserves a 9 but I'm a chicken and I don't want to call him almost clear town and be wrong because I know I'd never hear the end of it. And god knows this post wont help his self image...
Timeater/replacement: 7
, I made my opinion of Time's ability to play pretty obvious. He is terrible but I think he is town because of his unwarranted confidence and his egotistic demeanor. You would be hard pressed to find a post that he did not compliment his scumhunting ability or is knowledge of the game and I question if he would be able to keep this up as scum knowing he'd be proven wrong. I feel like only town could play as badly as him and still believe he is some scumhunting god to be reckoned with. Imo, a scum player would know their partners and not even dream of making a post like 22 because it is seriously one of the worst posts I've seen in forum mafia and I've played with Hira. (Inside joke for Soben/Slaxx) Basically what I am badly articulating is if he was scum, he would have known that Uphill was town and I think that making a horrid semantic post backed with limitless confidence wouldn't be possible in his play book because he's too impressed with himself to let him be /that/ wrong. There's a small chance all of this is his horrid personality and even though I really don't want to glance at his other games, I feel like I must now to make sure he's not just some self conceited asshole. Good riddance.
treznor: 7
, I really didn't back a treznor townread until I read Soben's last post (The post from Scumhunter). At first I read him as scum because I couldn't see a town perspective for not reading the game carefully and throwing out townreads that he couldn't believe in because he didn't read. When he openly admitted that he hadn't been reading/reading carefully, I brought him back up to null because I didn't know what to do with him at that point. He would still be null right now if Scumhunter didn't make me aware that of his calm attitude. He absolutely backed down from his simo vote but when reading it again, he didn't seem like he was afraid when he did it. He didn't seem like he was worried that it was a scumtell that might have got people on his case and he's been extremely calm throughout the game even though I disagree with a lot of things he said. Mimicing Scumunter, his calm and unworried attitude gives him a seven. I want to add that if Katty ends up being town, my read on treznor will plummet because I could see scum knowing Katty is town and therefore making the town/town argument without reading. trez, when I asked you about your Katty read you said that you follow me a bit but feel like my case centered around her providing too much information to be town. I'm not sure how you reached this conclusion but I'd like you to read my case on her again because I don't think you got just what was scummy about it.
DemonHybrid: 6
, DH strikes me as vaguely town for the reasons Soben has already said. I'm not really focusing on trying to read DH because Slaxx said that he is an easy read for him so I figured I'd just refer to him. (We had this deal when we made this hydra that he'd trust my read on Soben and I'd trust his read on DH and el simo)
Redtail896: 6
, Redtail is barely above null. I liked when all of this discussion was on Katty, Uphill and Time, he voted us. At first we wondered if he did this to defend Katty a bit. (We were calling Katty scum so voting us would discredit us a little bit) but when I elaborated on my case he instantly unvoted and said that it had merit. The reason this struck me as town because as I understand MS players, they do not unvote often. They usually keep their vote until they find a better place to put it. So I assume that after our case, he read us as too town to remain voting. Yes, I understand that I may be reading too much into this and this read might not translate to other players but whatever.
ScreamingHawk: 5
, I wanted to put this guy at the top of my nulls because he is probably the closest of the nulls to tipping town. This was more or less a gut read based on the little content he's given. Something about saying 'what's up son' or whatever he said after voting trez made me feel like he's very welcome to pressure and has a somewhat calm attitude.
Yonzy: 5
, I've got nothin'. This is too early in the game for me to ISO players and he hasn't stood out at all.
Gen_Wolf: 5
, Who?
Bionicchop2: 5
, Bionicchop is here because I honestly don't know what to do with him. He strikes me as a very experienced player who knows what he's doing. I don't like some of the content he's provided and I agree with Regfan's post about him picking on the lurky guy who didn't focus on the current discussion while doing the same himself. But at the same time I feel like he's brought too much attention to himself by saying that he doesn't post everything he thinks and he would prefer others would do the same. This is a statement I have a hard time seeing come from scum because I feel like no scum would openly admit that he didn't want everything he could get to formulate reads. This could just be his playstyle and how he always acts/talk but at least for now it was enough to keep him out of the scum side.
el simo: 4
, This guy always reads scum to me. In the game I linked, I spent most of d1 and d2 bouncing between trying to lynch him and another player. This is another person that slaxx said was an easy read but he's less confident in his ability to read him than DH. I haven't seen much of actual context from him aside for apologizing and making excuses for his inability to provide good content. I will say that he frequently apologized for his lack of content/not being around in the other game too and he was town there.
Katty Bard: 2
, I am still just as confident in this read as I was at game start. I've made my case on her and I've been frustrated by what little feedback I've gotten from it. I'm tempted to repost it here without quotes just so you guys have to read it again. Here's the link:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3542195 PLEASE tell me what you think and if you agree, vote her already.
Okay, well those are my reads, Slaxx can post his later. Any questions/comments?
