Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[fatlikepig]

Mod, can we do something about DJ please?

[Quilford]

We can lynch him.

[Morthas]

DonJosh has been prodded. I want to give him a chance to post (even though he said I should force replace him) since I'm already looking for 2 replacements

[Morthas]

Accidentally deleted votecount.

[Equinox]

We can lynch him after we kill Nobody Special. The thought I'm running with right now is that there's a good chance of DonJosh (or Cross_Pollination, actually, now that I think about it) being Nobody Special's buddy; Nobody Special accused me of being lurker scum when I've been fairly active in this game while ignoring the players who have truly been lurking.

Hmm. I was going to say this might be the reason why we don't have a counterwagon and that was what I wanted to investigate with a full thread reread, but looking at this vote count, I see that... I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm right about Nobody Special, but that vote count's weird.

Okay, I'll shut up until I know what I'm talking about. Definitely reading today, so please hold me to this.

[ScreamingHawk]

Stalling...

Also have a look at Amrun's ISO. You have been voting C_P since first post. Care to give us reasons why? Best explanation I can find is in #206. And that's still better than what NS has contributed. After reading on it seems your basis is on his triggerhappy call early on, and that everyone else thinks it was more a town tell. So correct me if I'm wrong.
And I wouldn't mind hearing reasons against the NS lynch. That's an invite to anyone. Including NS...

Keeping Amrun in mind for if NS flips scum.

[ScreamingHawk]

Actually I'm going to be keeping Amrun in mind regardless. Could be going for brownie points for not lynching town, assuming he knows who town is (i.e. he is scum)

[Quilford]

You know, I totally had a dream that NS was scum last night :P

[Amrun]

Actually I'm going to be keeping Amrun in mind regardless. Could be going for brownie points for not lynching town, assuming he knows who town is (i.e. he is scum)

You're so newb it's painful.

I'm not defending NS; at deadline, I will certainly vote for him. I see no reason to rush the day until then.

I have no reasons against an NS lynch. This has been pretty clear.

I've also pretty clearly demonstrated why I think c_p is scummy. The best explanation out there is bvoigt's, which I talked about somewhat extensively.

No one thinks it's a towntell except fruit basket maybe, and he's simply wrong.

[Cross_Pollination]

I can't carry on playing. I haven't been very active in this game because I've been busy. I will be busy for a while by the looks of things. I'm gonna have to drop out.

[Morthas]

Seeing as 3 players need replacing and I'm having trouble finding replacements so far, If anyone has friends who might want to replace in, it would be very appreciated if you could direct him/her to me. Thanks.

[Morthas]

Twistedspoon

is replacing

Cross_Pollination.

Thank you Twisted~

[Amrun]

Twissted: why did you choose cp to replace?

[Fruit Basket]

No one thinks it's a towntell except fruit basket maybe, and he's simply wrong.

no u

[Fruit Basket]

Twissted: why did you choose cp to replace?

this is an oddly phrased question

[Fruit Basket]

never mind no it's not.

[ScreamingHawk]

I have no reasons against an NS lynch. This has been pretty clear.

I've also pretty clearly demonstrated why I think c_p is scummy. The best explanation out there is bvoigt's, which I talked about somewhat extensively.

Well obviously it has not been very clearly demonstrated, for either. Can I have a link to your post where you extensively talked about that post. I can't seem to find it in your ISO.

What I really want to know is voting C_P over NS. I don't see this.

[SleepyKrew]

Amrun, you're not opposed to the NS lynch? I've certainly been getting the opposite vibe...

[Equinox]

Reread complete.

Vote: Nobody Special

I have strong town reads on Amrun, Fruit Basket, and ScreamingHawk. I have weaker town reads on bvoigt and fatlikepig. I want to put Quilford in that category as well, but there's something I need him to clarify. I don't have a read of kondi2424, which is kind of disturbing, but I'm willing to wait for a replacement. trekker I'm not sure about at this point; earlier, he was a town read, but his shenanigans before he replaced out were bad, particularly his refusal to respond to fatlikepig when fatlikepig had a point about trekker's behavior. Call me a fence-sitter, but I don't know what to think of trekker at the moment; my town read pre-shenanigans was pretty strong, and I'm not comfortable just throwing that out the window for a bout of trolling. I might reread him in isolation when my head isn't so warped. DonJosh and SleepyKrew are good candidates for Nobody Special's partners,

especially

SleepyKrew.

This leaves Twistedspoon. Cross_Pollination not answering questions is scummy, but I got the impression while reading through the thread that he wasn't actually reading the thread, despite saying at some point that he caught up in the thread. His post where he replaced out supports my belief here. I'm hoping to hear from Twistedspoon soon.

All right. Explanations for the above available on request. Otherwise, I'm going to sit back and count my sheep.

Amrun, what's your experience with Nobody Special?

Quilford, you seem to believe that kondi2424 isn't playing to his town meta; why did you have kondi2424 as a "slight lean town" read earlier? What changed between posts 243 and 525?

[fatlikepig]

Thanks for replacing, TS!

@Equinox:

DonJosh and SleepyKrew are good candidates for Nobody Special's partners, especially SleepyKrew.

Explain this?

[Twistedspoon]

Twissted: why did you choose cp to replace?

some welcome I get for replacing into a 24 page game

I have a post coming up which will answer this question among other things. Be patient Anyún

ninja:

that's more like it!

[Twistedspoon]

if you want a quick answer as to why I demanded that slot, it's because
1) after a brief skim of the first 7 or so pages I felt he was difficult to read and would like to know his alignment myself so that I wouldn't need to work it out
2) because I felt a challenging position would be ideal for my return to mafia.
3) because I can read you well Anyún. Very well indeed. By the end of Day 2 I assure you I'll know if you're scum or not.

[Equinox]

I have a scum read of SleepyKrew. I don't like how he agreed with trekker and then turned around and called trekker scum; if you agree with someone's thought processes, then it makes better sense psychologically to believe them to be town like you are. This is basically the contrapositive of Amrun's pattern-matching town tell. There's also this:

IF all three scum are on my wagon, I would say they are: FruitBasket, Screaming Hawk, and Sleepy.

Sleepy is my least compelling read.

This post sounded really forced. Nobody Special also went through the trouble of asking SleepyKrew to support his meta, which should have implied that he thought SleepyKrew was town, except that Nobody Special turns around and does this when asked to give reads. It's very weird.

unvote

Vote: Equinox

Die, lurkerscum, die.

This suggests he's avoiding a real lurker. I know I've coasted for a bit due to exams and replacing into a large-paged game, but I was far from lurking; if Nobody Special thought I was lurking at my activity level, then the absence of Cross_Pollination or DonJosh should have been that much more striking. In fact, it probably was, which may be why he ignored Quilford shouting for a DonJosh counterwagon and Amrun shouting for a Cross_Pollination counterwagon. I'm more inclined toward it being DonJosh because DonJosh's voting behavior was outright odd, and I had no idea what was going through his mind for each of them.

[Equinox]

if you want a quick answer as to why I demanded that slot, it's because
1) after a brief skim of the first 7 or so pages I felt he was difficult to read and would like to know his alignment myself so that I wouldn't need to work it out

Did you like the answer?

[Equinox]

EBWOP:

This is basically the

contrapositive

inverse

of Amrun's pattern-matching town tell.

Clearly it is bedtime.