camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[Parama]

...it's really been 48 hours since anybody's posted here, huh?


I am gonna go eat dinner in a bit and when I get back I'm going to catch the scum 100%.

[Chair]

Still think lurc is scum. His scumbuddy assuming he has one is frankly up in the air.

[Parama]

chair does your case have any other basis besides "he claimed watcher and he's still alive, therefore he must be scum?"

[Zang]

Chair, what is your case?

[Chair]

chair does your case have any other basis besides "he claimed watcher and he's still alive, therefore he must be scum?"

Honestly, not really. But I see that as enough to make him scum, because of the nature of the role of watcher.

[Parama]

Okay.
Make a real case or go home.

[Lurconis]

At this point I think chair is town because mafia woulnt of tried to get me lynched for being alive yesterday, I think parama is town as his power was verified (realize could still be mafia with that power) so by poe in my mind that leaves zang and peregrineV.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry for weekend absence. Catching up today.

[PeregrineV]

I still have Parama, Zang and myself to go through for the Twisted stuff.

I don't suppose anyone else found something useful out of anything I already posted?

[Parama]

Considering that you're not coming to any conclusions for any of them, your analysis is rather useless. A lot of little things are supposed to add up to a conclusion, but lacking the conclusion means you're just stuck with information not being used for anything. So, what are your conclusions thus far? <_<

[PeregrineV]

Considering that you're not coming to any conclusions for any of them, your analysis is rather useless. A lot of little things are supposed to add up to a conclusion, but lacking the conclusion means you're just stuck with information not being used for anything. So, what are your conclusions thus far? <_<

Note there is not yet any analysis, just the info. Once all the info is collected, then I will provide my analysis.

If you got something, post it.

If you think you don't have anything to add, go back and re-read, then add something.

[Parama]

So your posts are currently completely worthless. They're just paraphrasing the thread... why aren't you just skipping that step and going straight to analysis, then? :/

[PeregrineV]

So your posts are currently completely worthless. They're just paraphrasing the thread... why aren't you just skipping that step and going straight to analysis, then? :/

Because I would have to gather the data regardless before any analysis. What I'm doing is sharing in the hopes that others can use the data and provide their OWN analysis. Or their OWN data for all to use.

But hell, at this point, I would be happy if people would provide ANYTHING.

[PeregrineV]

Also, the point of all the work is to find the last two scum. Finding one would be great, but if you can't find the partner, then you're stuck in the same place we are today.

[camn]

That's the spirit!
Don't let me down, you guys... we are nearing the end.. a game with no replacements is a good game indeed!

Chair

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PeregrineV

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Zang

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Lurconis

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Parama

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NOT VOTING:

( Parama Zang Lurconis PeregrineV Chair )

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Deadline is

Sunday, November 6th

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV's Interactions with Twisted

Post 239- (Asks Twisted for reads on other players)
Post 277- (Was being ignored but didn’t want to push the issue yet)
Post 472- (Find Twisted’s posting style generally scummy, but don’t like using that as a reason to vote people, since it’s actually not a tell so much as a preference)
Post 540- (You can claim inventor or gifter, but someone’s got to receive it for it to count. You haven’t responded to Chair’s case on you)
Post 553- Asking Twisted for claim clarification
Post 574- Twisted claim not matching up with my experience with those role types. Vote Twisted, but unvote to avoid L-1
Post 600- Vote Twisted

(translations in parenthesis)

[PeregrineV]

Parama's Interactions with Twisted

Post 167- Agrees with Twisted
Post 345- Might address a Twisted quote- hard to tell
Post 440- Doesn’t like BB hammer by Twisted
Post 443- responds to Twisted
Post 455- votes Twisted
Post 470- “Twisted why are you voting me BTW”
Post 597- “can we just lynch twisted”
Post 606- responds to Twisted
Post 609- responds to Twisted
Post 612- responds to Twisted
Post 617- responds to Twisted

[PeregrineV]

Zang's Interactions with Twisted

Post 125-responds to Twisted
Post 127-responds to Twisted
Post 410-responds to Twisted
Post 491- @Twisted “What about the rest of Chair's case? Are you going to ignore it or are you going to defend yourself?”
Post 515- votes Twisted
Post 537- responds to Twisted about his claim
Post 579- “Twisted's claim seems like a fake claim”

[PeregrineV]

OK, NOW I'll do the analysis part.

[PeregrineV]

Looking only at Twisted, he seems non-committal on Chair, has no Lurconis reads, and wants to lynch Zang, Parama, and me.

Looking at living players, Chair has more Twisted reads early on, whereas most didn't have any interaction until his claim. However, Chair as has the most extensive Twisted case prior to claim.

Twisted post 506 seems to me to relate to the "double"roles, mentioning the 2 cops 2 watchers thing, but doesn't condemn, but chases Parama most of day2. But to decide is this bussing or attempted mislych is the question.

So move to Twisted post 546. It responds to Chair. It mentions everyone

except

Parama, Zang, Lurconis.
But he favors a Zand lynch day1, and pushes to lynch Parama day2.

So, for the way Twisted carefully avoided Lurc, that causes me to be suspicious. It also cause suspcion of Parama and Zang, but to a lesser degree.

Secondly, at this point 2 town cops and 2 town watchers makes no sense. BBMolla=town makes me look at Parama. Sathoris=town makes me look at Lurc.

So, all things considered, my vote will be on Lurc at this point.
Mostly think Chair is town.
Zang or Parama is other one by PoE.

Thoughts?

[Lurconis]

I agree that chair is town, the fact that he built the case on twisted makes doubt he would be scum.
Parama is up in the air his play has been extremely town for me this entire game but the fact that his flavour name is different when mine was the same makes me slightly suspicious but then his role checks out based on my watching and his knowing peoples flavor names.
Zang has been a non entity to me this game I haven't felt strongly about him one way or the other all game.
Peregrine V you have seemed town to me this whole game.

At this point I would prefer a Zang lynch and can't see that changing without a major case on someone.

[camn]

a game with no replacements is a good game indeed!

Chair

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PeregrineV

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Zang

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Lurconis

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Parama

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NOT VOTING:

( Parama Zang Lurconis PeregrineV Chair )

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Deadline is

Sunday, November 6th

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[PeregrineV]

Was going to vote Lurc, but he's the only one talking.


HELLO, WAKE UP!!

[Parama]

I GOT PRODDED

UH
uh

that analysis is mediocre compared to the build-up to it
but eh you're doing more than anyone else is sooo (sorrry sorry sorryryreuryeliu)

while I agree that Chair was one of the first to push on TS, his push on D1 and the start of D2 was half-hearted, and the Twisted wagon was practically DESTINED to go through to completion after the end of D1. So eh.
Twisted does completely avoid Lurc, yeah. He also hardly mentions sath and johhog, and acknowledges YOU even less than he mentions lurc.
On the flipside, Lurc payed a lot of attention to Twisted. Lurc's posts on twisted make me feel he's town voting scum, not scum bussing scum.
Why do multi-roles make things look odd? We have at least one of the following in this setup: 2 town flavor cops, 2 town watchers, or 1 town watcher and 1 town tracker. I know at least the first is guaranteed, and I highly doubt that both of Lurc and Zang are scum; funnily enough, considering who I consider to be scum at this point, having all three is rather likely FMPOV. It'd be brilliance if the only living town players at this point are PRs xD

Anyways... guys we have about 72 hours to lynch someone
And nobody is willing to vote.
So... mind if I start us off? We gotta get a wagon on scum going, and I still feel that the best place to find it is:

*suspenseful pause; I will vote at 8 PM CDT, no exceptions. 40 minutes from now.*

[Chair]

Lurconis/Parama aren't a scumteam. It would be too risky for them to put all their eggs in one basket of double-roles. Lurconis is still probably scum, but Parama is probably town and won't vote him.

Which is why this is a conundrum for me. I'm typing this knowing that Parama will vote in a few minutes,

but I'm not going to post it until after his vote because I want to see who he'll vote.

SCREW THIS IT'S BEEN TWO MINUTES

We have a name cop, a watcher, and a psychiatrist... another claimed name cop... and two other roles that can track. The name cops and the psychiatrist are all, in a way, "false positives" in that they have visits that don't do anything. There's (two watchers? watcher + tracker?) that are able to find them. Two watchers is unlikely because lurc is still alive. So meh. Lurc/peregrinev is my best guess for scum right now. But parama is going to vote us, so it doesn't matter.

I'll post this after parama votes so...

*shrug*. Again, want to see who he's going to vote.

-implosion