NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Hi. Prod-dodge; MASSIVE deadline with work tomorrow. I will be back to participate late Tuesday; probably Wednesday.

[Beck]

I'm urging whoever the vig is, flip a coin and kill either rev or ^ guy, town will have improved 50% regardless

[Maxous]

Actually looking at early game, revenus seems town.
His case against beck looks wrong though (it kinda seemed like a policy lynch under the guise of 'he is scum')

[Pine]

Keep reading, Maxous. Rev keeps it pretty tight in the early game, but he implodes once some suspicion (initially for bad reasons) falls on him. His reactions to being wagoned are among the scummiest I've ever seen, dominated by a motif of deflecting suspicion back at anyone who DARES point a finger at him. His 180 on me is a good example. When we were sharing similar opinions on some people, he couldn't extol my virtues enough. I call him on a few minor things, and he flips a shit on me and generally freaks out into panic mode.

[Slandaar]

You have basically focused on zde 80% of the game, aka the definition of tunneling IMO

why don't you ISO ThAd, there be a lot of tunneling in that there ISO too.

This is where I comment about his tunneling, his response is well look TheAd is doing it too. (regardless if tunneling is scummy or not, this isn't defending his actions but instead it is deflection onto somebody else)

Beck's point was to demonstrate your inconsistent stance on tunneling. Whose tunneling you were actually commenting on in that post doesn't matter, and I certainly didn't remember page 12.314159 well enough to know the nested quote was an error. An old post where Beck accuses Slandaar of having given 80% focus on zdenek wouldn't be enough of a fact-checking mistake that I would even raise an eyebrow, because it's Beck.

No, he clearly says I am deflecting onto someone and not defending my actions. Using false evidence that he has retracted but thats not the point.

You must have agreed with him.

But he was wrong, and has admitted so.

So you didn't actually read it did you?

[Slandaar]

Maxous is pretty scummy already.

[Beck]

Here is a sunmary of rev's play

Starts off slow
Looks and sounds good when defending pine and when I'm going crazy from SV
Post count increases as my attention towards him increases
Lots of personal insults towards me
Refuses to defend himself
Scum slips
Retreats and lurks when attention gets off him
Useless postings now

I still can't find any examples of good scum hunting from him.

Slander's play

Starts off strong
Seems to stay on the right side by attacking people others are attacking
Makes a mistake going after TheAd for analyzing a wagon of someone TheAd thinks may be town.
The issue he has with it is he doesn't know why TheAd thinks funky was town, he also disagreed with the method of 3-4-5, but that wasnt strong enough of a reason IMO, especially when Slandaar himself said funky was a bad lynch. (if funky was a bad lynch, why is examining that wagon so bad? Why only single him out for it, when I did it first?)
He claims hiraki is scummy and votes him
Claims SV is scummy but doesn't vote him because he wasnt scummy enough?
Had an Obv town read on me until I push for his lynch, and claims I had no towny posts all game except he agreed with a few of my points.
He also claims rev scum slipped twice, but isn't voting him.

These both are just examples of bad town play if they are town, and bad scum play if they are scum

[Maxous]

Assuming Rev, slandaar, pine are town. Probably sorg as well.

Zde not so sure. What have you got on pops anyways?
That being said, where is pops? Hasn't been around since his name first came up.

Amateur is keeping pretty quiet re his thoughts. Would like to here more.
Why still holding the vote on Zde?

More OC from Hiraki would be nice too.

I'm OK for a lynch on Beck because... Well I don't feel that needs an explanation.
No great evidence on anyone acting scummy enough to risk d1 lynch at this point though.

Seen this post.
Checked his ISO.
I would be okay to lynch SH.
The first line of this post in particular is scummy.

Also his reasons later for thinking Pine is scum are?

Scum slips

Where?

[Slandaar]

Makes a mistake going after TheAd for analyzing a wagon of someone TheAd thinks may be town.

Just because you dont agree does not make it a mistake.

Slandaar himself said funky was a bad lynch. (if funky was a bad lynch, why is examining that wagon so bad? Why only single him out for it, when I did it first?)

Yeah he was, not because I thought he was town though. This is where you are wrong.

I took the claim as serious and its obvious I did. Now, tell me why there is any point voting someone who claims vig?

Claims SV is scummy but doesn't vote him because he wasnt scummy enough?

Correct.

Had an Obv town read on me until I push for his lynch, and claims I had no towny posts all game except he agreed with a few of my points.

Correction: had an obv town read on you until you started making ridiculous arguments.

He also claims rev scum slipped twice, but isn't voting him.

Once. And I wasn't entirely sold on it, gave him the benefit of doubt and decided it wasn't.

[Beck]

Hmm....

Need to re-read and re-think some things.

unvote

[Revenus]

Oh so that convinced you of all things?

[Beck]

@ rev - no I am still not convinced, I just want to re-read some things but in the mean time

@ Slandaar you said this earlier

also, beck seems to get a lot of heat for how he plays fwiw i have no problem with it so far and see no reason for the hate.

but now you say this

Correction: had an obv town read on you until you started making ridiculous arguments.

the reason why people were attacking my gameplay earlier was because people thought I was making ridiculous arguments

[Pine]

You were making ridiculous arguments. The fact that I will now interact with you demonstrates the principle of operant conditioning through negative reinforcement.

[Beck]

It's not that they were ridiculous, maybe more nitpicky.

For example when you said you were scum hunting cause you said somebody committed a town tell, actually wasn't an example of scum hunting.

My attacks on slandaar haven't all been wrong or ridiculous, but some of them were which is why I unvoted. I keep forgetting context. The biggest clue for me was the funky lynch thing, not wanting to lynch him cause he claimed vig was a valid defense and yet another mistake on my part.

There are other things he is guilty of which he hasn't defended, the same goes for rev. But before I vote again I want to sit down un-distracted on my pc and reread a few people's isos and vote patterns.

[Slandaar]

I dont understand what you want from me in 1911... you were not blatantly lying (pine!) or i didnt see lies earlier.

for example you say 'i didnt defend from the accusations', well i did. All of them until today, or tried, it doesnt matter if you dont like the defence or not what I said was the truth and for you to say I have not defended myself AT ALL is just lying.

[Slandaar]

The biggest clue for me was the funky lynch thing, not wanting to lynch him cause he claimed vig was a valid defense and yet another mistake on my part.

I dont understand how that was new information, i had said it like 10 times that i thought the claim was serious.

[chkflip]

Day One, Vote Count the Nineteenth (thats the joke)

Revenus (4): Velzanath, sorgster, vijay2vasandani, bvoigt
SodaSpirit17 (4): ZeL1nk, IAAUN/Faraday, theamatuer, mastin2
vijay2vasandani (4): SodaSpirit17, ScreamingHawk, revenus, Shattered Viewpoint
Slandaar (3): ThAdmiral, popsofctown, Pine
Popsofctown (2): Zdenek, Slandaar
ThAdmiral (1): Hiraki
sword_of_omens (1): Sky
Velzanath (1): Revenus
Not Voting (2): sword_of_omens, funkybike1

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 3RD @ 11PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

[sorgster]

Why in the world are there 77 pages on day 1? Wow. Too much spam in this thread. This is getting out of hand.

[Beck]

The biggest clue for me was the funky lynch thing, not wanting to lynch him cause he claimed vig was a valid defense and yet another mistake on my part.

I dont understand how that was new information, i had said it like 10 times that i thought the claim was serious.

I don't think I remember that being said as the reason, that's why i want to reread


@ sorg, way to contribute to the spamming by saying there is too much spamming. Damn hypocrite.

[bvoigt]

@vijay: Could you please respond to this post?

Both #1651 and #1654 are nice cases. But, I don't think they are today's lynches.

Why not?

Lynching Rev was, and still is, my first choice.

BTW, Hiraki is scum.

Could you give a reason for that?

COULD YOU MAYBE GIVE A REASON FOR YOUR VOTES?

With the deadline three days away, I propose we take a poll.

Everyone, in your next post, please list anyone you would be comfortable lynching. Anyone who gets more than five votes, we'll continue discussing as a potential lynchees. Anyone with less, we table discussion on them until Day Two as non-viable lynches (and therefore wastes of our time).

I'm willing to lynch ScreamingHawk, vijay2vasandani, popsofctown, Revenus, Slandaar, or Hiraki.

Anyone who thinks beck is town needs to show a townish post he has made.

I can't really think of any particular post or anything concrete, but almost all of his posts are giving off town vibes.

[bvoigt]

Slandaar
Hiraki
Revenus
Vijay
Toxic
Pops

These are our options for today, in my eyes. Everyone should be on one of these wagons.

I'm growing more convinced that Slandaar is scum.

[Pine]

Confused how ScreamingHawk became Toxic when going from your first list to your second. Otherwise I agree.

[bvoigt]

The first was my personal list of preferred lynches; the second was the overall most viable lynches.

[vijay2vasandani]

1 part was wrong, not all of it.

I mean its all wrong, but the hiraki distancing stuff is at least plausible and i can understand it...

Now, what do you think of pops, when he clearly did not read the case?

This is hands down my worst game ever

vote: Salandaar

I see your point

he edits out the reasons why I am voting him and basically implies my vote on him is bad because I am having a bad game.

why do you think I think you are scum beck?

is it because of stuff like this?

I mean really, look at that post, there was no reasoning, what reasoning did i edit out?

This was a bit of a joke anyways but you are trying to say i edited out the reasoning and ignored it, well there wasn't any.

Again pops clearly didnt read the case, it would just take way too long and on principle im not going to respond to that junk, its ridiculous, sorry you obv spent a lot of time and effort on it but thats just how it is.

So this is Slandaar's defense to Beck's case on him. he says its "all wrong" yet says a part of it is plausible. I don't even understand the second post but what really screams out to me is deflection. He tries to deflect Beck's attention onto Pops for not reading the case and labelling that as scummy quite possibly in an attempt to save his skin.

I don't know where my vote is, but I'd be willing to vote Slandaar as soon as VC comes up.

[vijay2vasandani]

Oh that's awkward. I though page 76 was the last page.
Still I think those points still stand.
VOTE: Slandaar