Secret Society Mafia - Game Over

[Wraith]

Prod-dodge. Had a crazy weekend. Have to catch up today or tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry for weekend absence. Catching up today.

[Ghostlin]

How does confirming I did indeed block BB make a difference to what alignment we are?

I personally, like to know when people lie to me, even if it is just for PoE. Whether or not you are lying may have nothing to do with Town, but could have tons to do if you were scum. Particularly when you post this:

I don't like BB's constant hinting, but the power he is claiming must be provable otherwise this all would just be pointless.

The non-werewolf society along with his push to lynch BB makes me re-consider DX. If DX is mafia lynching BB would be....counter-productive.

Sorgster - why did you think Dry-Fit was scum?
That whole thing with Sorg just deciding to ISO only Ludi and suspect him for it continues to be quite weird.

Actually.

unvote,

VOTE: Vote Sorgster

I'm gonna vote him until he tells me why Dry-Fit was/is scum.

@Whoever asked- I know the top two wagons right now and Dry-fit and Jak, but I don't recall a particularly striking case on either of them, despite receiving so many votes. I can do a post dig for eachvoter's case, but the result will be if I don't agree with the crappy cases and don't find enough scumminess on my own when I read either one, I probably won't vote for them.

^
Did you do this? I don't remember an opinion on them afterwards.

1) If the effects are confirmable, we can confirm him later. We are not doing this tonight.
2) I don't see how DX pushing someone in the same SS is 'counterproductive'. If certain powers that could be used against his scum buddies, he's going to want to prevent that, stuff his the SS full of buddies, etc.

The DX/Max interactions are shaking my faith that they're not on the same team.

The cognitive dissonance of pushing Molla as much as Max has (he roleblocked him last night) and not voting him, and not announcing the possible roleblock with one kill makes me more convinced that Max is not town. I'm interested in hearing Max's answer to Yos's question.

[Maxous]

If you blocked BB, you must have thought he was scummy, right? And then you also had a role-based reason to think he might be scum, on TOP of your origional suspicion, so why didn't you vote for him? Weather you wanted to claim or not, I would at least expect you to be trying to get BB lynched if you were town. But you didn't even vote him. Why?

Long and short is that I thought DX was more likely scum
Same as yesterday.
=> voted him.

[Magua]

whispersilk prodded.

Vote Count 3.5

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Maxous (6): Ghostlin, Global Warming, whispersilk, ToastyToast, Yosarian2, DarthYoshi
BBmolla (3): Wraith, PeregrineV, David Xanatos
David Xanatos (2): Empking's Alt, The Fonz
sorgster (2): Bogre, Maxous
Otolia (1): Dry-fit
Bogre (1): sorgster

Not voting (5): Otolia, BBmolla, Oversoul, StefanB, Alabaska J

V/LA: DarthYoshi (10/31), Alabaska J (11/2)

Deadline is November 7th, at 4pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-11-07 16:00:00)

[PeregrineV]

@BBMolla- So are you claiming you can confirm you were NOT roleblocked? While it seems that the question currently out there is "Is Max a town or scum roleblocker?"

Where Toasty has "witnessed" Max doing roleblock stuff, you seem torn between claiming and not claiming, and whether you were roleblocked or not?

So,

I believe if there's scum in my society it's DavidX.

Shall I claim my role? Because I'm having a hard time believing the roleblock at the moment.

Toasty saw Max Roleblock someone.

Max claimed you.

If you have some sort of verifiable result, that would in effect counterclaim Max, and you probably should.

If you have a a role that can't be verified, then claiming wouldn't help.

3) If BBMolla has a role that has a result that would negate Max's claim for block, he should claim now. Otherwise he shouldn't. Most investigation roles will bring back a result, while most protection and roleblocking roles will not. (Yes, this is an echo of PV.) We lynch the first claimiant if a counterclaim happens, and if town, we lynch the second.

4) No one else should claim at this time unless it would countermand a result: ie, Toasty's ability to find Max is a RB, Max's RB of BBMolla, etc.

What is being requested of you is can you verifiably claim something that counters Max?

[StefanB]

Catchup:
Bit meh about DYs reason for seeing BB as scummy. I don't think that
BMola was that much of a drivingforce.

Arrgh, on the Maxous not claiming the roleblock.

A secret society of David, BB and Alabaster, that is not so great.
But even if David would be mafia, he has no reason to lie that there
are no werewolfes in the group.
Don't believe that all 3 are mafia, so the society seems to be reall.
All 3 anythink good in your quicktopic, that could help us to get
reads on the other 2. (Before you answer that be sure what you can
post with the mod)

BBmolla: Have you somethink that proves (at last to you) that your
role worked.

David: The most likly reason for the induction not to work, is in the
rules. Don't claim who you did try to induct. He or she is if all
Secret Societys work like yours, is not a werewolf.

Yos, David: Since it is in the rules, that scum has daytalk what was
the point of discusion around 949/950. Yos seemed to know it, but 950
was worded way to complicated.

Bogre: Okay, in 956 you said, that your scumreads on the Jakwagon
were StefanB, Alabaska, sorgster and Yoshi. Can you tell me, when
latecommers and tailend are for you? Yoshi was before he unvoted, the
second vote on the Wagon. Me (4. later 3.) and Alabaska (6. or 7.
vote) were somewhere in the middle and only sorgster was late. (From
your reads).
You and Sorgster are imho the once from position were a buss (not
completly planned) is most likly.

Sorgster: I count 4 in Bogres post, who is number 5?

[StefanB]

Also about the roleblockthink:
Toasty confirmed that Maxous blocked someone.
Maxous claimed to have blocked BBmolla. (Why exactly do you think it's likly that scum Maxous wold lye about his target? Before anyone asks town Maxous lying is somethink that we shouldn't consider)
Than BBmolla doesn't believe it. Why exactly. Have you prove that somethink happened or not?
Please claryfy.
That is confusing.

[sorgster]

@Maxous
I was just bandwagoning for the Dry-Fit vote. I thought day phase was going to end soon and wanted to get at least someone lynched.

[Maxous]

@Maxous
I was just bandwagoning for the Dry-Fit vote. I thought day phase was going to end soon and wanted to get at least someone lynched.

Okay.
Why Dry-Fit instead of Jak?

[BBmolla]

I can't confirm whether I was blocked or not, and it may or may not be relevent to the one death.

This is really tough to explain without claiming unfortunately.

I have a feeling I've revealed too much as it is, and that I'm probably dead tonight.

[sorgster]

I ended up going on both eventually maxous.

[Maxous]

Oh. I get it.

Err,Sorg - that's not really a good explanation. What happened to your Otalia tunneling anyway?

[sorgster]

Not enough support will happily lynch him though. Strong scum read on him.

[Dry-fit]

Not enough support will happily lynch him though. Strong scum read on him.

Come on and joine me! Fight the good fight!

[Bogre]

@Ghostlin, thank you, that cleared it up. I'm willing to lynch Max for the possibility of bus/being a scumblocker, which seems pretty likely given that it seems BBmolla's action wasn't blocked. If we lynch Max, and we find he's town, that then means BBMolla is lying to get a mislynch. We essentially have a counterclaim, looks like.

I still think sorgster is undeniably, horribly, really really scummy. I want him lynched. But there's always tomorrow if we have a CC.

[Bogre]

@StefanB,

Primarily Alabaska and sorgster tail-enders.

[Bogre]

Okay, here are some more points:

>StefanB. If you are claiming that sorgster and I are both latecomers to the Jak wagon, and thus likely bus candidates, you are supposing this scenario: I am trying to FURTHER bus another one of my scum team, in which case I would be down to me left alive in a VERY large game. Pretty big gambit. Secondly, you didn't state this but the other presumed scenario that you would be worried about me (if you are town, which I doubt) is that I was opposite scumteam from Jak and trying to ace an enemy scum. That scenario means that you would have to think I'm scummy for some OTHER reason than being a busser, which you haven't mentioned.

Long story short, I don't think you actually believe I am bussing, and thus you aren't really analyzing, just making up bullshit to sound like you're 1)scumhunting b)contributing c)whatever.

On to sorgster. He has a strong scumread on Otolia, but there is no support. Guess who his vote is on right now? -ME-. Does there seem to be any support for my lynch at the moment ? No. He's saying one thing, doing another. He has a "strong scumread" on Otolia but there is no support, so he's going elsewhere. So he has to have a "strong scumread" on me, presumeably, and also have support for the wagon. BUT he hasn't even really mentioned me beyond his vote. And his previous modus operandi in the game was to tunnel on Otolia? Where's the tunnel on me? Nowhere to be seen. He seems to me so obviously uncommitted to his vote.

[PeregrineV]

I can't confirm whether I was blocked or not, and it may or may not be relevent to the one death.

This is really tough to explain without claiming unfortunately.

I have a feeling I've revealed too much as it is, and that I'm probably dead tonight.

So, do you think Max is lying about roleblocking you? If she did not roleblock you, what did she do to you? If she did nothing, do you think Totasty is lying about seeing Max do anything to you?

Do you see how a lot of the conversation revolves around you as the "target of the Max "roleblock" and you are not participating in it?

tl;dr
Max claims blocks BBMolla on one-kill night with two scumteam game, but doesn't vote him.
BBMolla claims he was not blocked but can't say why without claiming, but doesn't vote Max for lying.

Why?

I'm starting to think they are on the same team (hint:it ain't town) but are trying to finagle it so neither gets lynched.

[BBmolla]

I'm having issues talking about it without claiming my role. I don't know if I was roleblocked and have no way to confirm either way.

[ToastyToast]

BBMolla claims he was not blocked but can't say why without claiming, but doesn't vote Max for lying.

This and not knowing whether or not one is role-blocked are two very different things. Where did BBMolla claim that he wasn't blocked?

I was just bandwagoning for the Dry-Fit vote. I thought day phase was going to end soon and wanted to get at least someone lynched.

.......need I say anything?

@Maxous: If you thought DX was more likely scum, then why did you block BB instead? Logic holes.

[PeregrineV]

BBMolla claims he was not blocked but can't say why without claiming, but doesn't vote Max for lying.

This and not knowing whether or not one is role-blocked are two very different things. Where did BBMolla claim that he wasn't blocked?

Shall I claim my role? Because I'm having a hard time believing the roleblock at the moment.

But since nobody's talking and nobody's voting, we have to decide whether 936 is a claim or not of being roleblocked or not. What do you think?

[BBmolla]

That was until I noticed something that is relevent to my role. Now I'm unsure.

[Ghostlin]

@Maxous: If you thought DX was more likely scum, then why did you block BB instead? Logic holes.

This. So this! If DX is superscummy, why would you let him do night actions? This isn't a vig where you can go 'oh, I'll not shoot obv scum because I can get a case later, and shoot the lurker instead.'

I believe Molla, oddly enough so far. I don't believe he and Max are part of the same faction, it wouldn't fit. They would have to know Toasty was going to out Max today, and then you're really talking Toasty, Max and BBMolla being all the same faction.

...That's stretching it for me.

[Wraith]

I still think sorgster is undeniably, horribly, really really scummy. I want him lynched. But there's always tomorrow if we have a CC.