Nomic! GAME ON! (Last Update - Page 10)

[CSL]

Some of these proposals are stupid.

Rule	Explanation	Time Left	Yays	Nays
C1	If at any point the mod has been delinquent for more than 7 days in their duties (including maintaining an up-to-date record of rules), any member of the Mafiascum.net forum may nominate themself as a candidate to take over the position. If 7 days after the first such nomination the mod has not returned, the players shall have 7 days to elect a mod from those candidates who nominated themselves during that 7-day period, including the first. If during this second 7-day period any candidate receives the votes of a majority of the players before the return of the previous mod, this candidate shall become the mod and the previous mod shall be removed from this position.	(expired on 2011-11-10 17:19:19)	theamatuer, Xalxe, Packbat, JDGA, Drench, cg5, gandalf5166 (7)	CSL (1)
C2	A player must place a vote on all active proposals before proposing another one.	(expired on 2011-11-10 18:23:58)	theamatuer, Packbat, JDGA, Xalxe, Drench, gandalf5166 (6)	cg5, CSL (2)
C3	Each proposition must be accompanied by a countdown timer indicating to within five minutes the available time remaining to vote on that proposition.	(expired on 2011-11-10 20:07:53)	Packbat, JDGA, Xalxe, theamatuer, cg5 (5)	Drench, gandalf5166, CSL (3)
C4	It is automatically assumed that the author of a proposition votes yay for that proposition.	(expired on 2011-11-10 20:19:50)	Xalxe, JDGA, Packbat, theamatuer, Drench, cg5, gandalf5166, CSL (8)
C5	When determining the passage or failure of a proposition, only players who joined the game prior to the beginning of voting shall be considered to exist.	(expired on 2011-11-10 20:48:12)	Packbat, Drench (2)	Xalxe, JDGA, theamatuer, cg5, gandalf5166, CSL (6)
C6	When a proposition passes, everyone who voted nay for that proposition gains one point.	(expired on 2011-11-10 20:54:26)	JDGA (1)	Xalxe, Packbat, theamatuer, Drench, cg5, gandalf5166, CSL (7)
C7	Any player that participates in a game of Skype Mafia gets one point per game they played/moderated.	(expired on 2011-11-10 20:57:46)	Xalxe (1)	JDGA, Packbat, theamatuer, Drench, cg5, gandalf5166, CSL (7)
C8	Whenever a player is allowed to post a proposition, they may post several simultaneously as a package proposition by so indicating in the same post. Any vote or unvote placed on any proposition in the package shall be considered to be an identical vote or unvote on every other proposition in the package, and any vote or unvote placed on the package as a whole shall be considered to be an identical vote or unvote on every proposition in the package.	(expired on 2011-11-10 21:04:11)	Packbat, JDGA, Drench, cg5 (4)	Xalxe, theamatuer, CSL, gandalf5166 (4)
C9	The playerlist of this Nomic shall be restricted to members in good standing of the Mafiascum.net forum.	(expired on 2011-11-10 21:16:02)	Packbat (1)	JDGA, Xalxe, theamatuer, Drench, cg5, gandalf5166, CSL (7)
C10	A majority vote of all current players is needed to permit a new player to enter the game.	(expired on 2011-11-10 21:21:51)	Xalxe, JDGA, Packbat, theamatuer, Drench, gandalf5166, CSL (7)	cg5 (1)
C11	The mod must endeavor to keep an updated list of rules in an accessible place at all times. A singular post in a thread is NOT accessible.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:26:00)	Drench, JDGA, cg5, Xalxe, gandalf5166 (5)	Packbat, theamatuer, CSL (3)
C12	Upon the passing of this Proposition, an empty Shop is established. New items may only be added to the shop via new Propositions. Only five items may be sold in the Shop. Every player receives five Coins upon the Shop being established, with which they may do as they please. The minimum price of items in the Shop is FIVE (5) Coins.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:26:00)	Drench, JDGA, cg5, Xalxe, Packbat, theamatuer, gandalf5166, CSL (8)
C13	A player may propose amendments to current propositions by submitting them in the format 'Amendment [#] to Proposition [##]'. Once an amendment is proposed, the Proposition may not pass until it is resolved. Only one Amendment may be proposed for each Proposition at a time, and only two Amendments may be suggested for each Proposition. Amendment votes conclude after 24 hours. Amendments require a majority vote to be effected.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:26:00)	Drench, Xalxe, gandalf5166 (3)	JDGA, cg5, Packbat, theamatuer, CSL (5)
C14	If an action from a player is clear, it counts, whether it is formatted correctly or incorrectly. This applies to Votes, Propositions, Amendments, and any further deliberative actions created.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:26:00)	Drench, JDGA, cg5, Packbat, theamatuer, gandalf5166, CSL (7)	Xalxe (1)
C15	This rule does nothing whilst rule B5 is active. If rule B5 does not exist, all rule proposals, mutations, and repeals last for 48 hours or until all players have voted on the proposal, whichever happens first. At this point, the mod will tally the votes and determine whether or not the proposal has succeeded.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:30:00)	JDGA, Drench, cg5, Packbat, theamatuer, gandalf5166, CSL (7)	Xalxe (1)
C16	Each player is henceforth permitted to alter how their username looks in the Opening Post.	(expired on 2011-11-11 00:31:00)	Drench, cg5, Xalxe, gandalf5166, CSL (5)	Packbat, JDGA, theamatuer (3)
B4	Make Rule B4 Immutable (Requires 65%)	(expired on 2011-11-10 21:22:11)	JDGA, Packbat, gandalf5166, CSL (4)

[kdowns]

When can new people attempt to get in the game?

[CSL]

Vote Proposition C2 is impossible

(if it goes through, it'll force people to vote on every single proposition by either a Yay or a Nay before placing a proposition that s/he wants. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

Vote Proposition C8 is impossible

(if it goes through, people will post multiple awesome as fuck propositions, then post a really idiotic one, forcing players to accept all or none of the propositions. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

kdowns, I'm going to say you can, but ultimately, it's up to animorpherv1 as of right now.

[gandalf5166]

Vote Proposition C2 is impossible

(if it goes through, it'll force people to vote on every single proposition by either a Yay or a Nay before placing a proposition that s/he wants. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

Vote Proposition C8 is impossible

(if it goes through, people will post multiple awesome as fuck propositions, then post a really idiotic one, forcing players to accept all or none of the propositions. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

kdowns, I'm going to say you can, but ultimately, it's up to animorpherv1 as of right now.

vote nay proposition C8

Good point. But neither of these make the game impossible to play, and C2 will keep the one guy who decides to abstain from lagging the game behind for a week.

[Xalxe]

Vote Proposition C2 is impossible

(if it goes through, it'll force people to vote on every single proposition by either a Yay or a Nay before placing a proposition that s/he wants. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

Vote Proposition C8 is impossible

(if it goes through, people will post multiple awesome as fuck propositions, then post a really idiotic one, forcing players to accept all or none of the propositions. It hinders gameplay as outlined in Rule B4)

kdowns, I'm going to say you can, but ultimately, it's up to animorpherv1 as of right now.

vote nay proposition C8

Good point. But neither of these make the game impossible to play, and C2 will keep the one guy who decides to abstain from lagging the game behind for a week.

Which was precisely the intent.

Mods: Can we get a numerical count somewhere in the tallys? I don't wanna count how many yays/nays for every effing proposiiton.

[CSL]

You guys are old enough to count....


Ok, fine.

[gandalf5166]

Haven't a lot of the proposals been voted on by everybody now?

[Drench]

CSL, you're retarded for thinking C8 is impossible. Christ, it's like you want shit to be unwieldy and impossible to comprehend. Your options are as follows:

a) C8 doesn't pass, forcing anyone who wants to propose legislation that goes slightly above braindead on the complexity scale to either consolidate all the related passages in the one Proposition (see: Packbat's original Judges x-post) or create multiple Propositions concerning different statues, with their numbering and passage being in doubt at all times, leading to the inevitable scenario where one rule of the many doesn't pass, causing the rest to be rendered obsolete, meaning the ruleset gets bloated with Shit It Doesn't Need. Not to mention loopholes.

b) C8 passes, avoiding all of that and providing new avenues of lawmaking. I mean, come on: you will never see a single bill in any governmental legislature contain just the one statute: C8 is pretty much saying 'okay more than one statute is permitted'.

And besides, someone is more than welcome to excise any shitty rules from any package someone posts and post it as a new package. The packages differ, and thus there won't be duplicates. There are literally NO problems with C8 as far as your reasoning is concerned, and really, it's the next logical step in lawmaking.

(nomic is srs bsns yo)

Vote NAY on C8 Impossibility

[CSL]

Rule B5 dictates that voting is essentially over for all but 1 thing. Please wait.

[theamatuer]

Vote YAY to make B4 immutable

[gandalf5166]

VOTE YAY proposition C8

[Drench]

Proposition C17:

For ease of use, Propositions may be accompanied by a name so as to more easily identify individual Propositions. No two Propositions may share a name. The changing of a name requires the same process as the changing of the Proposition or Rule itself. Rules do not retain names unless otherwise stated.

[Drench]

Vote YAY on Proposition C17

[CSL]

Proposition C1 has

PASSED

Proposition C2 has

PASSED

Proposition C3 has

PASSED

Proposition C4 has

PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

Proposition C5 has

FAILED

Proposition C6 has

FAILED

Proposition C7 has

FAILED

Proposition C8 has

PASSED

*
Proposition C9 has

FAILED

Proposition C10 has

PASSED

**
Proposition C11 has

PASSED

***
Proposition C12 has

PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

Proposition C13 has

FAILED

Proposition C14 has

PASSED

Proposition C15 has

PASSED

Proposition C16 has

PASSED

*At the time of the 8th vote, the count was 5 to 3 in favor.

**Voting for kdowns to enter the game has begun.

***Though we really don't need this rule.

Vote YAY on C17

[Drench]

***we totally do, 'accessible' should really mean OP/separate thread linked in the OP but whatever you interpret it as it needs to still be easy to get to

[CSL]

I usually will post an update upon a new page.

[Drench]

ok

[CSL]

Also,

Vote YES on kdowns entering

[Packbat]

Actually, I just noticed that the "impossible" rule is completely worthless, given that it requires the exact same majority that

passage

requires. Thus:

Unvote to make B4 immutable

Proposition B1: B4 shall be amended to read as follows.

At any time prior to the passage of a proposition, if the enactment proposition makes play either difficult or impossible, any player may post:

Vote proposition [letter][#] as impossible.

If two or more players so vote, the proposal shall not be enacted unless a Judgment carried out as described in this post rules that the proposition would not make play either difficult or impossible.

Countdown: (expired on 2011-11-11 14:38:00)

PreEdit:

Vote yay on Proposition C17

Vote yay on kdowns becoming a player

[gandalf5166]

But B4 isn't affected by any rules we may place that modify voting. So it's important that it's there as a way out.

VOTE nay on proposal B1
Vote yay on proposition C17
Vote yay on kdowns becoming a player

[CSL]

Vote YAY on B1

[Packbat]

Proposition C18: Each day at 1200 UTC, if there are fewer than the maximum permissible number of items for sale in the Shop, one Jubilee will be put up for sale for 5 Coins. Whenever a Jubilee is purchased from the shop, every player receives one (1) Coin, including the purchaser.

(expired on 2011-11-11 14:54:00)

[CSL]

that means at about 7-8am, right?

[Packbat]

In the US Eastern Time Zone? Yes.

[CSL]

Vote YAY on 18

Proposition C19:

A list of everyone's coins must be posted in the OP AND with every update posted by either co-mod, listed under the Table of Propositions.

(expired on 2011-11-11 15:02:01)

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