NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[funkybike1]

I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.

You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?

And if you ARE "that good," then you have reasons for your accusations. I'm asking that you actually share them with we mere mortals, so we can understand your so-called brilliance.

This was my main point as I looked over Shattered Viewpoint.

You're a fake. Only good people can flaunt about their good abilities.

You don't have these abilities, so stop trying to think you have them.

I disagree.

I speak when I want to speak.

My "trolling" has some key points in it too.

so go figure

Would scum say this?

[Pine]

Yes.

[Pine]

Also, you're WIFOMing WIFOM. Nicely scummed.

[funkybike1]

Nicely towned?

[bvoigt]

ROFL


Pine, the only people who speculate on where two scum kills came from and say it's two scum team are scum

Vote:Pine

Bzzzdt. If there are in fact two scumteams, it's an important thing for town to know.

I see the funkybike thing ad nothing more than a disagreement.

[bvoigt]

*as, not ad.

[popsofctown]

Vote: funkybike

I feel really good about this. Enough to put Revenus on hold.

Encouraging

Do you think funky had a townread or a scumread on Hiraki? If he had a scumread on Hiraki he wouldn't have those quotes at his fingerprints, the lazy player he is. If he had a townread, then I don't see how he would regard Hiraki as an "easy mislynch". You seem to be going two ways about this. (I'll avoid using the C word and D word because I'm sick of it).

[Pine]

I don't see the dissonance. I think funkybike is scum. Often the scum night discussion revolves around who to kill and who not to kill; scum don't want to go after anyone too obvious for fear of a Watcher. They don't want to kill anyone too lurky, because it doesn't eliminate a threat. They DO want to kill people like Mastin, who are a great threat and haven't yet said their piece (Mastin is particularly dangerous when he progresses, and gets more so as the game progresses). And they definitely don't want to kill people that look scummy, like Hiraki, because they can be set up for mislynches later.

This is why I think Funky might be scum. Funky's team discussed Hiraki, but decided he was a bad target. That put him in a "why would he be NKed?" mindset. Once he'd stated that, he had to backtrack and call Hiraki's D1 performance Towny, which is ridiculous.

[Pine]

And if you ARE "that good," then you have reasons for your accusations. I'm asking that you actually share them with we mere mortals, so we can understand your so-called brilliance.

This was my main point as I looked over Shattered Viewpoint.

You're a fake. Only good people can flaunt about their good abilities.

You don't have these abilities, so stop trying to think you have them.

Looking back on this post, I'm not so sure about Hiraki being town. (Also, Beck has 250 posts now.)

BTW, Hiraki is scum.

Could you give a reason for that?

This is all funky had to say about Hiraki on D1. Noncommittal, and it doesn't even remotely set up the hard defense we're seeing now. Funky's exaltation of Hiraki today is fabricated. If Funky had actually felt Hiraki was super-Town, he'd have said so at the end of the day when we'd narrowed the lynch down to a group of three that included Hiraki.

[vijay2vasandani]

Sorry ThAd I must have missed some stuff. Which wagons did he miss again?

Slandaar for one.

Um maybe that was because he was already on another one? Like mine?

"Looks like two vig shots" my ass. To me, it looks like scum killed Hiraki and vig killed Mastin.

PEdit: Zdenek makes sense, but it's not enough justification for a wagon.
PEdit 2: Yeah, toxic needs to talk.

I thought it would have been the other way around.

Anyway, to those that said 2000-something was my first original post on SH, I suggest you read my large post with reads on everybody. I have already expressed my suspicion of SH, even going as far as to vote him on Day 1. Also, I included him on my list for Pine, when nobody else did. I believe it was pops who said that it wasn't original or something.

[popsofctown]

I don't see the dissonance. I think funkybike is scum. Often the scum night discussion revolves around who to kill and who not to kill; scum don't want to go after anyone too obvious for fear of a Watcher. They don't want to kill anyone too lurky, because it doesn't eliminate a threat. They DO want to kill people like Mastin, who are a great threat and haven't yet said their piece (Mastin is particularly dangerous when he progresses, and gets more so as the game progresses). And they definitely don't want to kill people that look scummy, like Hiraki, because they can be set up for mislynches later.

This is why I think Funky might be scum. Funky's team discussed Hiraki, but decided he was a bad target. That put him in a "why would he be NKed?" mindset. Once he'd stated that, he had to backtrack and call Hiraki's D1 performance Towny, which is ridiculous.

You've said you think there are two scumteams though, but you keep using single scumteam kill logic to nail down why funky must have somehow been considering a Hiraki kill. That he didn't do. Because the vig is the one that actually did so, or the other scumteam, which is smarter than his team or dumber than his team one of the two.

See it's so dissonant I can't really follow it.

[Pine]

Funky is the one that thinks there's only one scumteam, and I'm not sure. Besides, the quoted works just as fine if there are two teams. It's about analyzing Funky's motives, not about who actually took which shots. They're entirely separate issues.

[popsofctown]

The analysis of his motives is nonsensical if it was scum shooting at eachother. It's not separate at all

[Pine]

Of course it's still relevant. Scum may not know who they're shooting at, and they may also not be shooting at the other team.

What

is

relevant is that Funky didn't see Hiraki as a sensible night kill. This doesn't make sense as Town, period. Let's consider the other options:

Funky is Town:

Hiraki had been absolute garbage D1, so Funky's later protestations about him being obvtown ring hollow, especially considering Funky's failure to support Hiraki at the end of D1. Funky is not Town.

Funky is scum, believes there are two scum teams:

Funky sees Hiraki as scummy, but decides not to shoot for whatever reason. This is the weakest scenario.

Funky is scum, believes there is one scum team:

This is the condition my theory really operates under. Funky and his team know Hiraki is just scummy Town, and discard him out of hand as a possible NK. It does not occur to Funky at first that he would be a good vig shot, and has to backtrack by absurdly calling Hiraki obvtown.

Funky is SK:

Serial Killer has to eliminate both scum and Town, but also has to avoid notice. An SK, especially in the early nights, only shoots at targets that are not obvious and are unlikely to be Watched, Tracked, etc. Hiraki was in the spotlight, making him a poor target.

[popsofctown]

Funky is Town:

Hiraki had been absolute garbage D1, so Funky's later protestations about him being obvtown ring hollow, especially considering Funky's failure to support Hiraki at the end of D1. Funky is not Town.

That would be Funky's first failure to engage in protown activity the entire game MIRITE

[Maxous]

^
?
Hiraki would of been a good shot as a SK. Hiraki was never going to be watched, much better targets.
aaaand if Funky is scum in a 2-scum team game he would very likely know it.

@Zdenek: I would'nt use the term 'no sense' buuuuut I

do

agree that Vel's instant defence of SH is supicious, particulary when he has'nt defended anyone else and

in fact

tried to push a soda

mis

lynch through for very similar reasoning.

Would scum say this?

Your opinion of Hiraki =/= the game's opinion of Hiraki.
Hell, Revenus constantly called Hiraki scum and you think a Revunus vig would'nt shoot Hiraki???
I think Pine is exagerrating the scuminess of this but....it's rather weird.
Thing is I do agree with:

If Funky had actually felt Hiraki was super-Town, he'd have said so at the end of the day when we'd narrowed the lynch down to a group of three that included Hiraki.

[Pine]

Mrrh. Rereading my case on Funky, I may be falling victim to some confirmation bias in pushing it so hard. I still think it's solid, though not as fanatically as I did. Meh, need sleep.

[bvoigt]

If Funky had actually felt Hiraki was super-Town, he'd have said so at the end of the day when we'd narrowed the lynch down to a group of three that included Hiraki.

Funky is not exactly a player who's vocal and full of explanations.

[vijay2vasandani]

If Funky had actually felt Hiraki was super-Town, he'd have said so at the end of the day when we'd narrowed the lynch down to a group of three that included Hiraki.

Funky is not exactly a player who's vocal and full of explanations.

Yeah but still, if you think somebody is absolutely town as he suggested today, he would have said something.

[bvoigt]

He didn't give a single townread on D1 (unless you count himself).

[theamatuer]

He didn't give much of anything else either, except for a fake vig claim that has everyone going off him.

[Maxous]

Hold on. I knew Funkybike jokingly claimed vig earlier.
However, I did'nt realise he claimed it during a 6-vote wagon on him with no real counter wagon.

Looking through the ISO...nothing. The only explained vote is:

VOTE: Zel1nk. In no way are you obvtown, yet you keep insisting you are. Unless you can provide a very good reason, you WILL be lynched for it.

And that is a vote that indicates he does'nt think Zel is scum just annoying.
Or more likely scum going - he said something derpy let's just park my vote here over the span of nearly 300 posts.

Also, I fully support the notion that I am newb town.

Lynch him.

VOTE: Funkybike1

[Beck]

getting ready to go on v/la

still disgaree with funky lynch, pine is looking good for scum but that is just skimming the past few pages. you shoud be happy, I won't be posting again til Thursday or Friday.

can't remember if I did this but

V/LA til Thursday

won a trip to the country music awards, leaving tonight plus it's my son's party today.

have fun.

[ScreamingHawk]

Sorry I won't be around much this week guys. I have final exams Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I'll try and keep up with reading the thread but you won't see much posting out of me until after Saturday.

V / LA til Saturday

Sorry it's such a long one, don't mind being temp replaced if needed.

In the mean time I'm interested to see if this case on funky goes anywhere.

[vijay2vasandani]

Hold on. I knew Funkybike jokingly claimed vig earlier.
However, I did'nt realise he claimed it during a 6-vote wagon on him with no real counter wagon.

Looking through the ISO...nothing. The only explained vote is:

VOTE: Zel1nk. In no way are you obvtown, yet you keep insisting you are. Unless you can provide a very good reason, you WILL be lynched for it.

And that is a vote that indicates he does'nt think Zel is scum just annoying.
Or more likely scum going - he said something derpy let's just park my vote here over the span of nearly 300 posts.

Also, I fully support the notion that I am newb town.

Lynch him.

VOTE: Funkybike1

Max, I think this was part of the reason he was wagoned day1 in the first place. However people seemed to reach the conclusion that it was too scummy to be maf, or something like that.

Anyway what do you think about SH? Imo he reads like a more active funky so I'm wondering why you didn't consider him.