Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[J]

I've said before that some of J's post rub me the wrong way. The new ones don't really make him better. You really dont have some scum reads? None at all? Some people have played scummy. Obviously the uber spontaneity of your hammer is the bad part, but its pretty bad. You hammered but you werent convinced, but you were looking for content, but whaaaat? Why are you going to read on FB if NS flips town?

Why do you dislike those posts Fatlikepig? You've been doing that a lot, just pointing stuff you don't like. Would be cool if you also provided some reasons now and then. Not a fan of that to be honest.

Fake Ninja edit: Dont really think that's a scumslip. But even if he's not scummy as of now, im much more cautious of fatlikepig.

You have said that some posts rub you the wrong way but you haven't really been calling me out on them nor asking me about them. You are being a tad hypocritical with FLP here where you are saying you don't like stuff of mine but not pointing out what you dislike about him.

Some people have played

that

scummy? Can you tell me who? Why is it scummy to not have scum-reads? Would you rather I fake what I don't have to give the illusion that I do?

Looking at FB on a town flip because of his ravenous nature to NS about his flip. That's actually all I can recall from FB besides some banter with Equi earlier on in the game.

[J]

Question to everyone:

Is my hammer bad or scummy? Only choose one.

Tell me why it was either. Consider the atmosphere of this game at the time of my hammer.

[bvoigt]

Lack-luster cases do seem scummy to me because they seem like people looking for weak reasoning on things and trying to scrouge up things to make what they are doing look towny. I could agree that yours were better than NS but that question itself is deflection. =P I could agree, doesn't mean I like yours anymore because of it.

If you find poor cases scummy, can you explain why you said this about Sleepy?

I still find Twistedspoon, who replaced C_P, scummy. His catchup post was a massive wall, but it didn't really say much.

where I felt I was lacking i promised to fix (my fat review)
that and being the first rep and the hours I spent on that post i don't know what more you could ask.
I've provided links to posts, quotes, meta refrences and everything else. How can you tell me it was a ball of fluff? how?

I don't see how you can say it didn't say much either. Already I've overtaken you in post count (not the best indicator of quality but still)
You need to be a little more respectful of my catchup posts compadré

Sorry. I can tell you spent a lot of time on it, but scum can put in effort too. The first computer screen or so deals with the setup, but there isn't much you can say about it that we don't already know. You even said after writing about it that the "formalities" were now out of the way.

The other half of the post was your reads. And they seemed to lack "bite," or drive to find scum. You ended up voting trekker, but it was nothing more than a policy lynch:

I've played with this maverick before. I genuinely feel sorry for the scum if they landed him on their team. He has no benefit to the town. 99% of his posts are baseless assertions and no analysis. This player will be forever a liability and potential mafiosi until he flips and the scum won't do this for us. Unless he replaces out soon he needs to go.

I'd like a little more clarification personally but I think I am seeing the skeleton as to what you are getting at so thank you I think. x.X

Basically, your entire train of thought seemed to be saying that NS was a scum-driven wagon. In light of that, I do find the sudden change of mind and hammer scummy.

PEDIT:
WHOA WHOA WHOA
SCUMSLIP

Not a scumslip. NS explicitly said he was town, and also implied it by answering questions about his reads. So I don't think it was an unreasonable assumption.

[J]

Lack-luster cases do seem scummy to me because they seem like people looking for weak reasoning on things and trying to scrouge up things to make what they are doing look towny. I could agree that yours were better than NS but that question itself is deflection. =P I could agree, doesn't mean I like yours anymore because of it.

If you find poor cases scummy, can you explain why you said this about Sleepy?

I'd like a little more clarification personally but I think I am seeing the skeleton as to what you are getting at so thank you I think. x.X

Basically, your entire train of thought seemed to be saying that NS was a scum-driven wagon. In light of that, I do find the sudden change of mind and hammer scummy.

See the thing behind SK's posts is that I am getting the intent but behind yours its different because when I read them, they come across monotone and just I can't read your intent behind it. Therefore, I look at the case and it seems lacking.

Also, I never said the NS wagon was scum-driven nor did I drop inklings to that. My thought on the NS wagon was that I was null on him and others had him as scum-picks for reasons I could see while at the same time the people who had town reads on him had adequate reasonings too. That makes him for a good lynch D1 based on a connections PoV because town was somewhat down the middle about this character and there will be scum on his wagon, but there most likely will be scum off his wagon too if he does flip town.

Soooo no, that wasn't my train of thought. Sorry for the confusion. =P

[J]

NS had explained that he was town. Pretty sure FLP just made a wording mistake.

Anyway, Day 1 mislynch! Just like I predicted.

How does the bolded help town at all? Especially when you didn't do anything to stop/nor steer anything in another direction if you thought NS was gonna flip town.

You keep saying your town and no one should look at you and focus on others, yet you don't focus on anyone, yourself, besides to CYA.

Quil, I want scum-reads and who we should of lynched toDay if you "predicted" this D1 ML. Your attitude to me is coming across as scummy.

[Morthas]

Apparently I have missed the hammer.

Nobody Special

has been lynched

Night 1 Begins.
Night 1 deadline: Sunday 6th November

[Morthas]

jerobbo

replaces

DonJosh

Thanks jerobbo <3

[Morthas]

Day 2 begins with

[J]

dead
With 11 alive,6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline

:Sunday, 20th of November

[Fruit Basket]

Vote Amrun

[bvoigt]

VOTE: Twistedspoon

[J]

Go town!!!

[Twistedspoon]

I expected equinox to die. unusual

[Twistedspoon]

who's scum, fat?

[Twistedspoon]

I don't think amrun is scum

after all the invitations she had to join the NS wagon I strongly think she would have taken one. She made herself stand out by not voting NS. not a move i'd see scum taking

so I have to agree with NS that most of the obvious scum will be on the NS wagon. The only question is where to start

[pidgey]

Im pretty certain about this

Vote: quillford

[fatlikepig]

Rereading later today. NK suggests newbscum to me.
VOTE: ScreamingHawk

@TS: SH, Quil and DJ feel most scummy right now.

[Fruit Basket]

I don't think amrun is scum

after all the invitations she had to join the NS wagon I strongly think she would have taken one. She made herself stand out by not voting NS. not a move i'd see scum taking

so I have to agree with NS that most of the obvious scum will be on the NS wagon. The only question is where to start

She didn't take much of a stance on NS all day, the wagon was obviously going through, why would she feel the need to join it as scum? She went between calling his wagon crap 'hmm'ing and sheeping Equinox's read on him as scum to half heartedly looking for a counterwagon.

Her efforts to get your slot lynched look completely insincere,and given her 'i'm not giving my reads up for love nor money' comment at the start of the game her play seems to resemble nothing like that. Read her ISO and check out her behaviour towards CP, it's not genuine.

SleepyKrew, Screaminghawk, Pidgey - with me!

[Equinox]

Blargh.

I was going to instavote Fruit Basket today, but I'm still here and I think they would have shot me if they were scum. I need to think about Twistedspoon, too. I'll go over my notes later today.

Twistedspoon, what's your read of SleepyKrew?

[Quilford]

VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

[Amrun]

Torn between voting fruit and twistedspoon.

VOTE: fruit basket

It's interesting that TS expresses a townread and fruit tries to undermine it. Especially early game, that's a scumtell.

[Fruit Basket]

acting like a fucking moron doesn't suit you. i think you're scum and want you lynched, so naturally will disagree with a town read on you.

[Fruit Basket]

VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

who is jerrobo?

[bvoigt]

VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

who is jerrobo?

He's DonJosh's replacement.

[Fruit Basket]

Blargh.

I was going to instavote Fruit Basket today, but I'm still here and I think they would have shot me if they were scum. I need to think about Twistedspoon, too. I'll go over my notes later today.

Twistedspoon, what's your read of SleepyKrew?

you were prepared to instavote me.you'd need to be alive for that to happen. walk me through this one.

i may or may not have shot you depending on who I may or may not be

[Fruit Basket]

wat. donjosh just signed up for war in heaven. fucking douche.