Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

[Llamarble]

I'm glad the mafia will take care of our pets after they kill us.
I think I'll sheep the meth guy.
VOTE: Reck
Rocks did turn out to be good cookie ingredients, so I think llamas can be good pets.
I'm not a llama today though. Nor is my pet one.
Also rolefishing could have new and awesome meanings this game.

[Llamarble]

Lewarcher wagon looks quite good, actually.
Though that'd mean a lot of scum-on-scum piling. CES / DDDP / UT or something.
I'll deepdive later this evening I think. Keeping Lew out of hammer range for the time being sounds like a good plan.

[Llamarble]

The point was to look town.
More specifically to be transparent about my reactions to THE UNIVERSE.

[Llamarble]

I imagine animal isn't correlated to role or else scum would have to fake entire histories of interaction with their pets not to get reamed by massclaim.

[Llamarble]

If we outlaw guns, then only criminals will have vigs.
Or something.
Basically if we say NEVAR LYNCH A VIG D1 vig instantly becomes the best D1 claim for scum because making D1 scumlynch impossible slants gameodds SIGNIFICANTLY in scum's favor.
And then there's the whole 'he changed his claim' thing.
I haven't actually read yet though. So I'll be doing that soon.

[Llamarble]

Also, this is petsPick!

Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!

This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.

If knowing who cats are gives you vigging powers, wouldn't that be grounds for species-claim?

[Llamarble]

Also if the player has a bird / fish / bear, what happens?
Though I guess assuming we all have cats or dogs doesn't seem terribly unlikely.
The claimed role seems awesome as a way to help scum punish massclaim and take advantage of information shenanigans.
Also it's called an

assassin

which is not a very town-connotationy word.

[Llamarble]

Lewarcher also has done surprisingly minimal scumhunting for somebody under so much pressure and interacting significantly with the game.
Sometimes being under attack kind of freezes up scumhunting and engages defense-mode, I guess.

[Llamarble]

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

Hehe, D1 SK speculation is such an awesome scumtell.
May actually be warranted here though since that's kinda a good point.
What kind of setup with an SK could make sense? 1 v 4 v 11? Sounds painful for town but I suppose this is likely a PR-loaded game.

I'm not ready to lynch Lew btw.
No reason to only find one scum D1. We should push some more ideas around.
Not to mention I need to make enough posts to earn myself a non-vigging.

[Llamarble]

posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow

It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?

IDK... care to comment on this?

Hahaha truly you are fishy mcfisherwoman.
And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."

Glowball is town.

[Llamarble]

Sorry, that wasn't meant as an insult.
The idea is town tend to be more offended when called VIs whereas scum welcome it as a way to get away with more / be harder to lynch.

Speaking of VIs, Vi is towntown. I approve / have experienced similar feelings to 51, 74, 144, and the initial townread on Sotty.

[Llamarble]

DDDP seems a tad too 'Lewarcher lynch party time.'
Ghostlin looks town; at first he didn't get the reasoning behind species reveal being bad but later he notes how counterintuitive Lewarcher wanting to nip animal type-claims in the bud was.
Jason is not Angelus fakeclaiming Angel nor any other manner of scum this game. Breath. Of. Fresh. Town.

And that's the extent of what you'll get from me this evening.
SLIGHTLY DELIRIOUS SLEEPYTIME YAHOO!

P. edit: Yeah, it would be a Highlander cat or something. Cats aren't nearly as pack-friendly as dogs.
And if the mafia kidnapped a killer cat it wouldn't play very well with the others in whatever llamaland the example PM mentioned.
Does your PM actually say you :are: Mao?
Why are we thinking about serial killers...

In conclusion I want to think more tomorrow so let's not hammer yet.

[Llamarble]

I'm not sandbagging at this point, but I'm definitely in the 'figuring out the game' phase where my posts are as much notes-to-self as anything else.

[Llamarble]

Eh, mafia alignment actually makes more sense than SK.
A hard to use vig-power gives scum something to strategize on together and a vehicle for massclaim punishment.
Just like Baby Spice in Zor's Strategy Mafia game.
His described role doesn't sound like a legitimate serial killing role because of the 'you die if you shoot the wrong thing' aspect and the reduced target pool.
The way he claimed, rolling it out in two phases and mentioning Mao was killed by a dog, sounded like he has the role he has claimed even if he's scum.

Also scum totally gave town useful strategy advice (scum had ways of killing through doors) in Strategy Mafia.
Telling people not to massclaim is like the easiest thing to say town sounding things about ever.

[Llamarble]

I mean, he said that he would kill the pet's owner rather than the pet itself when he claimed anyway.

[Llamarble]

He could also be town. I just don't really think he's an SK.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Quilford

[Llamarble]

VPB is probably town.
"Something in my role suggests X is lying" usually comes from town.

[Llamarble]

Also, this is petsPick!

Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!

This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.

You know, if Lew has the role he's claimed as scum, the obvious motive to last a night is so that he can shoot a town player who would obviously have picked a cat such as, say, Amrun.
In which case leaving his lynch a day has the significant negative of giving scum an extra kill.
Lewarcher has consistently just tried not to get lynched instead of finding scum.
Time to sort everybody into towniness categories!

[Llamarble]

Oh I forgot to explain why I quoted that. He talks about the role-aspect as opposed to the fact that species might matter. I found that a little weird.

[Llamarble]

The main thing I don't like is how little effort Lewarcher has made to find scum during this whole business.
Just "the thing VI is doing is scummy" as opposed to "VI is scummy."
And in that same post where he votes Vi he says Vi can be the one to choose who he confirms himself on. WTF is that.

I can make all kinds of cases against him, but some of the things he's said make me worry he might flip town.

[Llamarble]

I did think it was a little bit town that he said "I think one of these two things is the case," then 50 minutes later picked one.
And the "my action served the sole purpose of attracting more votes" thing is often from town.
And some of his 'be honest, this is BS" stuff.
Though 'kick VI's ass for getting a PR lynched this way" sounds like he thinks VI is town...

Bllaah

[Llamarble]

Don't like Quilford "Pretty sure glowball is scum if lewarcher is scum."
Quilford's overall approach feels town though. My vote isn't placed well. FIXFIXFIX

I LOVE CAFFEINE

p. edit:
I'll hammer him if I can really really convince myself he's scum.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: DDDP
Yay I'm voting scum now!

[Llamarble]

Can we not hammer yet?
I'm starting to feel traction. Full reads list will be forthcoming.

[Llamarble]

TOWN:
Llamarble
Ghostlin
Glowball

Probtown:
KK

Leaning town:
Amrun - rethinking a read (especially from scum to town on a townie) is a towntell.
Lewarcher - I read through several times as town and nothing blared wut at me. Reading through as scum I kept getting hooked on things like "He is thinking about 2 possibilities then decides on one of them soon thereafter while not under pressure -> is solving puzzle -> is town" or "feel free to meta me" (sounds 'I've-got-nothing-to-hide-ish) or 'kick VI's ass for lynching me' (this variant of you'll be sorry sounds kinda townish), etc. I JUST WANT HIM TO SCUMHUNT SOMETHING.

Iffy:
CES - he has a couple of decent early posts, but mostly is just watching. I could see faking governor from either angle.

Scum:
DDDP - Scumterse except for setup talk and fencesitty commentary on me / Quilford. Not enough puzzling the game out. Also 414 scumlink to Quilford wheee.
Jason - II had town on him early but I was totally wrong. 135, 161, the quote striping post is just amazing and the glowball vote is :terrible:
Would Jason make that level of wall as scum / town?

[Llamarble]

Well I got interrupted going down the list. I'll see how much more I can do before lock.

[Llamarble]

By the way those are all deepreads (full ISO multiple times from different perspectives and looking into individual interesting things, etc).

[Llamarble]

Well not all of them, but the ones that were hard I reread a bunch. KK I just read twice and stuck in probtown.

[Llamarble]

I'm kind of annoyed that hammer happened just as I was finally digging into things.
I think me not getting nightkilled is a safe assumption though, ha.

[Llamarble]

Pretty sure glowball is scum if lewarcher is scum.

Hated this.

Your recent posts sound heavily like outraged scum being caught. I'll need to meta you to see how you generally react when run up.

And this.

Amrun? This sounds pretty damning.

And this.
Basically I don't like a lot of his post structures and a few specific things sounded faked / bad to me.

You're absolutely looking for ANY REASON to lynch lewarcher, sensical or not, instead of actually trying to figure out his alignment.

This is so much bullshit I'm going to stop here and calm myself with visions of you being lynched.

This is a townish breed of frustration though, and he's been pretty assertive by and large.
He goes in the south side of "iffy."

[Llamarble]

Roxi the Voting Puppy interrupted my reading, which annoys me greatly.
I would hope town wouldn't have done that.
Also my posts get longer when I have less time to compose them because I'm writing down some of the specifics rather than just the results. Haha.

[Llamarble]

Sotty goes in leaning town. I agree with her that Quilford's first townread on her was reasonable.
Voting me-town is excusable considering I hadn't really managed to sink my teeth into anything yet.

[Llamarble]

Notes I took:
D1 there seems to be a Jason - Qford - Sotty - Xvart thing going on in parallel to Lew-thing.
People who took no interest in one / the other are POIs.

MEGA TOWNREAD: AMRUN

My reads kinda reversed around an hour after night. hahaha.

[Llamarble]

I did read through the rest of the people at the beginning of night, though I didn't record the results of that anywhere.
My reads reversing was specifically in reference to DDDP since I liked where his townread on Amrun came.
Reck was in the somewhat-suspicious-unclear zone.
Vi, UT, VP were all some kind of shades of grey and I don't remember which way I leaned.
And xvart I just don't remember my read on at all, even though I spent a chunk of time on him and looked at some of his meta.

[Llamarble]

How about you give me your OWN thoughts about me KK?

@Jason:
I said your Glowball vote was bad because I think Glowball's town.
Unprovoked claims of stuff are usually town.
And she looks to be trying to figure out the game.

[Llamarble]

Vote: Llam

While he's posted more analysis than he did last night, he's not really backed it up, and spent most of Day 1 being The Load.

This is A. Wrong and B. Not really relevant to my alignment.

[Llamarble]

I may have started late, but I already have the third highest post count in the thread.
I was REALLY busy last week and did pretty much zero in all my games. Now I'm back to being active again.
Hence wrong.

[Llamarble]

VP is scum except for the "I have role information suggesting Lew's claim is false" thing.
Then again I guess as scum with a non cat / dog I could say something like that.
VOTE: VP Baltar

[Llamarble]

I prefer to have other people read his ISO and see if they get to the same place I got to.
The thing that bothered me most was the way he harped on the 'getting a scumread off Jason's first vote' thing which made perfect sense to me.

I don't honestly believe anyone could get a town read out of something like that.

Is just such a scum way to attack. Scum love to attack town they think are 'honestly' doing weird things.

From what I have seen of Quliford he does this kinda thing, it's a null tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.

I blew it up like a massive thing because I questioned him on it and voted him when he didn't answer? Also, I've never played with Quilford that I recall (though I admittedly have a bad memory for that kind of thing), so I'm just gonna calls em like I sees em. Didn't look null to me. Looked like buddying. Only scum are gonna have town reads at that point in the game because they know who the town is.

Scum also chain sentences together in this manner more often than town do.

VP does have the 'my role conflicts with Lew's let's lynch' towntell and the bit about whether we should have Roxi claim felt a smidgeon town though.
Still think there's a good chance he'll flip scum.

[Llamarble]

I may have started late, but I already have the third highest post count in the thread.

2rd highest post count doesn't mean squat when you aint producing any content to back that up.

I have more 'content' than you do. And I DEFINITELY have read deeper into the game.

[Llamarble]

I also don't like the fact that you voted Lew more or less entirely for role-disagreement, and that he flipped town after that.
If scum think they see a hole in a townie's claim that's like BLOOOOODD IN WATER LYNCHLYNCHLYNCHLYNCH.

[Llamarble]

Though the other wagon yesterday was also on me-town, so there's not really a lot to be gained from who was where at all.
By and large that D1 sucked. It lasted like 4 days and the main wagon was based largely on setup talk.
People are complaining about me not getting my reads not locked in over that period of time??
The Quilford-Sotty-Xvart-VP-Jason thing was much more interesting than the actual lynch.

[Llamarble]

If I'm getting lynched today, it won't be because people think I'm scum with Glowball. Ha.
She's pretty clearly town, and even more clearly not my buddy.

Why my wagon is scummy:
{
People are right that my lynch was lined up incredibly hard for today.
And then even though I made a significant chunk of my posts in twilight (I might even go so far as to say that I Towned) nobody seems to have updated their reads off of that.
That says to me scum want to cash in on D1 suspicion of me as opposed to townies reading my full posting and thinking it comes from scum.

Also hardly anyone has actually ascribed scum motive to pretty much anything I've done, so far as I can recall.
It's all just "llama's badposting." Now that I actually have time to play again I want to see what those votes do.
}

VPB is probably town.
"Something in my role suggests X is lying" usually comes from town.

This D1 read of VPB happened because his towntells are surface-tells whereas his scumtells are slightly closer to the hardware.

[Llamarble]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

thats how you look for scum, you make connections between people.

Finding connections is all well and good, but Glowball and I are one of the more obvious NON-scumbuddy pairings in the game right now.
Jason getting offended at the notion that I've been thinking more deeply about this game than he has is a pretty town sentiment though.

[Llamarble]

Yes, more or less.
I pointed out an aspect of Glowball's play that I think is usually a scumtell.
Then I said that she was town.

Basically I thought the rest of her play outweighed that consideration, which while not very major as tells go was something I noticed so I decided to point it out.
I have a very low "is this worthy of posting" threshold for things I notice that are easy to express even if the implication is counter to my actual opinion.

[Llamarble]

VP does have the 'my role conflicts with Lew's let's lynch' towntell and the bit about whether we should have Roxi claim felt a smidgeon town though.

I also don't like the fact that you voted Lew more or less entirely for role-disagreement, and that he flipped town after that.
If scum think they see a hole in a townie's claim that's like BLOOOOODD IN WATER LYNCHLYNCHLYNCHLYNCH.

well that opinion conveniently shifted....

This D1 read of VPB happened because his towntells are surface-tells whereas his scumtells are slightly closer to the hardware.

you've yet to actually outline anything close to scumtells or scum motivation. you said I "string sentences together" (which doesn't even make any kind of logical sense, I am equally verbose as either alignment) and that I used the word "honestly," which is a typical word in my lexicon.

Usually somebody who votes for somebody else because of role conflicts is town and the votee is scum.
But sometimes scum find a hole or dubious-point in a town claim and ground their vote on that.
Lew flipping town, the degree to which you focused on the claim conflict itself as opposed to the rest of Lew's posting, and the fact that his claim did have very scum-exploitable sketchy parts (the 'multiple animals' thing and the 'noncatdog' thing) make me think the latter was going on.

I don't care much about the word honestly, though it and its ilk do crop up a lot when scum think town really has done something weird.
The point is you saw something that really seemed baseless to you and decided to attack irrespective of that thing being actually scummy.
Your pursuit of Q over his townread on S felt like exactly the kind of thing scum would dig into in exactly the manner scum would dig into it.
Overall VP is poking at logic-holy-things instead of at scummy-things.

And chaining discrete terse sentences is scummy because scum typically compose most of their posts like "this is a good thing to say"... "and so is this" and so on whereas town can pretty much dump raw thought unless a post is specifically being built as a persuasive-essay-thing.

unvote, vote:DDD

Your vote switch really just seems to come at Vi's behest. Since when are you so easily flapped?

Also, Llamarble is so fucking scum it's not even funny. Most of his D1 iso is a hard fence sit on the lew wagon while employing "cheese stands alone" voting tactics. Then when lew's lynch is inevitable he suddenly finds him so town and complains of the hammer, as if it's the rest of the town's fault he didn't start participating until the 11th hour. Then he starts today with the 'poor me' act. Give me a break.

His reads aren't even consistent. For example, Vi goes from "towntown" in post 214 because he shares her reads throughout the early game, to not even making his deep reads before the end of the day. Today, Vi is "shades of grey," which I find funny and inexplicable given his other stances.

Then he proceeds to use 'grammar tells' to suss out my alignment while simultaneously using my reasons for calling lew scum yesterday as both a town and a scum tell.

Does not compute.

First off what is your vote doing on DDD if I'm "so fucking scum it's not even funny?"
I fence-sat on Lewarcher because he had tells in both directions and I wanted THE TRUTH.
I started writing that post-hammer post well before the hammer actually dropped, as you might infer from its length and the fact that it followed the hammer by 10 minutes.
I simply didn't get to Vi during twilight (I was going alphabetically so I didn't miss any ISOs and got cut off by threadlock).
When I was reading him later he moved from towntown land to grey-land.

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Iffy:
CES - he has a couple of decent early posts, but mostly is just watching. I could see faking governor from either angle.

I thought it was pretty obviously fake, so I only found it important for reading you, and it didn't make reading you as town or as scum fail to make sense.

I'll go look at Vi again and see if I can dredge up what I was thinking about, but I remember agreeing with some of the things Vi said early but finding the overall amount of smashing things up and looking for scum to be lower than I expected.

[Llamarble]

I dunno, I just never really even considered the possibility you were telling the truth.

Reasons I thought Vi was town were his initial push on Lew and townread on Sotty, but as the day goes on Vi didn't talk a whole lot about people / scums other than Lew, So although I liked some individual things I was a bit concerned about the overall pattern. I still lean town, but I wouldn't be shocked by a scumflip.

[Llamarble]

^scum.
Like, wow.
So we've got 2/4 now. Guessing the rest are somewhere in DDDP / UT / Ghostlin / CES
Which makes my townlist:
Amrun
Vi
me
KK
Glowball
Quilford
Sotty

Yeah, those people may all be town.
Cool.

[Llamarble]

I like that Vi has been pushy and forthright and stuff. There are also a few specific things I've mentioned that I liked.
No "OH MAN UNFAKEABLE" things yet though, hence leaning town but not game-staking.
I'd like to see more attempts to look at the game as a whole from him (and everyone really), though I guess that's hard in a large.
Basically trying to figure out who is scum with whom is a good thing to be doing.
Right now I think both VP and Xvart are scum and feel pretty darn good about that.
KK I just reread and am adding to the 'these guys might be scum' pile.
Sotty is somewhere between Vi and KK.
Amrun and Glowball are my strongest townreads.

[Llamarble]

Yup.
So far as I can remember I haven't found Vi scummier than 'leaning town' anywhere along the path, so that's actually been one of my stabler reads.
My degree of confidence has just varied.

[Llamarble]

Murky can be null leaning either way and mostly means uncertainty.

[Llamarble]

Basically at the end of D1 Vi hadn't done a whole lot other than push the Lewarcher wagon, and Lewarcher had flipped town. -> reduced confidence of Vitown.

[Llamarble]

My thoughts on that player is that they're pretty facemeltingly obvscum.
3 are revealed!
One more left.
Not even sure we should lynch VP today considering I had a massive false positive on him in AMG.

[Llamarble]

Yeah, probably.
VOTE: Ghostlin
Though I'm not really sure out of VP / Ghostlin / Xvart who's going to flip scum the hardest.
Right now I feel like all of them will.

[Llamarble]

Now that I've put my vote here people are going to want a case or something though.
I guess I'll just say "his ISO" for now.

[Llamarble]

My access the next few days is going to be kinda limited, but I'll try to push out what posts I can.

[Llamarble]

Erm why am I getting lynched again?
What was so slimy about my posting?
Careful immortal-tiering Sotty; unless she's Towned recently I was a little worried about her.

The point was to look town.
More specifically to be transparent about my reactions to THE UNIVERSE.

The Llamarble case:

1) General uselessness (Fluff, lack of scumhunting).
Posts that indicate this behavior: 139, 200 (mostly the beginning of 200), 223, 340 (mostly a game mechanic that doesn't talk about scumhunting), 453-455 (he mostly explains how he came to the reads without any real analysis), 457, 484 (with this many posts, no wonder you were third), 490 (is really just waving himself around).

2) Lack of explanation on most of his town/scum reads: I've hit this point a lot, but he often will say X is town or Y is scum without really giving a case or much of a reason. Besides 'my ISO', the only reason why I think Llam's voting for me is because he didn't like the reason I voted for him via case. He did claim it was inaccurate, but Sotty, point #1 is the reason I voted for Llam in the first place. (Particularly since he listed me as a town read end of Day 1).

3) Excessive use of one or more of the following phrases, 'more to come', 'I'll do a deepread', etc. This is forgivable if he coughs up the goods, but yesterday he waited until the 11th hour to post a town/scum list. He never goes into detail why he suspects the way he does; and his case on me was really 'I guess I better have a case on Ghostlin. 'His ISO', and OMGUS.

4) I don't like #654. You can argue about meta until the cows come home, but it reads as an excuse to shift his vote off of VP onto a more poplous wagon.

5) #656 has either an associative tell with no reasoning or calling out three players as scum for no reason.

Pretty sure none of these things are actually scummy and I can provide a hojillion examples of all of them from me-town.
There's time before deadline; don't lynch me till I at least get available to talk again.

[Llamarble]

That was a prod-response, not a prod-dodge.
Anyway, I said I don't have much time right now.
Nobody has actually called anything I've done scummy, they just have said I haven't done enough.
I drove from Chicago to DC Tuesday, was at the White House / Capitol Wednesday, Drove to NYC yesterday, and now I'm here. I should have a little time today but I haven't yet.

[Llamarble]

I reread VP / Xvart / Ghostlin. All I can say about them is HOLY BALLS ALL THREE NEED TO DIE.
If you people leave any of them alive to endgame there will be ANGER (well, assuming they flip scum. I'm always happy to be ignored when I'm wrong. They will flip scum though.). I'm okay with my 11 win streak ending because I played bad, but I'll be disappointed if I get lynched while I don't even have proper access and then the town fails to eliminate the scums I found for them.

[Llamarble]

I didn't have a particular pair of balls in mind, though a wise man running for office once used his balls as a platform for the election, saying we could hide behind them in the event of nuclear attack and such. That seems like a good pair.
I reread them because they were my top scumreads. A lot of the time when I reread scumreads I get second thoughts, but this time that didn't happen.

[Llamarble]

I actually got a twinge of Vi suspicion while reading the Vi posts right before CES FoSes him, so that's a couple of townpoints for CES.

I hadn't realized I was at pseudo L - 1 earlier today.
I'll claim if somebody expresses intent to place me at L-1, though obviously I'd prefer not to as a role claimed is a role countered easily.

I have no intention of giving up on this game and will assault it like normal ASAP.
Tomorrow I expect to have a bit more time.
I really do feel quite good about my current scumreads.

[Llamarble]

I tracked Reck to VPB last night.

There were conversations / votes going on among that group starting with Sotty voting Jason, Qford finding it town, Xvart & VP finding that scummy, etc.
I simply didn't bother enumerating everyone involved because the point was to mention that there were two threads of discussion going on.

[Llamarble]

Reck might currently be the best player on MS.
He basically always wins as scum and his recent track record as town makes a strong case for the paragon of mafia hunters award.
I don't have an awesome track record of reading him, so I used my power to help me figure out what team he was on.
Also he was totally in kill submitting position in terms of where D1 suspicions were.
His posting D1 was fakeable and he was on the Lewarcher wagon for role reasons.
He wasn't on my D1 reads list BECAUSE I WAS GOING ALPHABETICALLY AND GOT CUT OFF.
My PR is the only reason I bothered finishing reading through everyone after night fell rather than just waiting till day / more info.

And yeah, VPB can probably prove I'm right.
Also why on earth would I track the person I was killing?
I think I deserve to not be in Roxy range considering it doesn't really even make sense role-wise for me to be scum assuming VP confirms.

[Llamarble]

Also since people didn't go away after I just claimed my action, here's my flavor-elements:
My dog Alice is an AKC champion. She's trained in both tracking (I honestly wasn't thinking about roles when I wrote up my description, heh) and agility.
She's also kind of bear-shaped (lots of fur around her legs makes them look thick + she's a spaniel) and likes to eat mail / bark at intruders.

[Llamarble]

I had a strong false negative on Reck in Lovers Multiball
And a strong false positive on Reck in Atomic mafia starting on post 912ish I spend most of my posting attacking Reck and then roleblock him.

[Llamarble]

I should mention in case there's confusion that the information above is what I told Zor about my dog; my role PM omitted most of it and just mentioned that Alice was a tracker.

[Llamarble]

Yeah, sorry.
In Lovers Mafia I incorrectly thought Reck was town.
In Atomic Mafia I incorrectly thought Reck was scum.

[Llamarble]

We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.

[Llamarble]

We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.

Did Llamarble just claim Serial Killer?

Uh, if there's one role my claim makes it extremely unlikely for me to be, it's that one.
Neither tracking nor roleblocking are common SK abilities, and if I was lying about VP I'd be guaranteeing myself a loss.
I had a semiconscious brainstormy-dreamy-thing about a Sotty / Vi / VP / Xvart scumteam.

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I have ACTUAL TIME (tm) tomorrow, so hooray!

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Lewarcher wagon looks quite good, actually.
Though that'd mean a lot of scum-on-scum piling. CES / DDDP / UT or something.
I'll deepdive later this evening I think. Keeping Lew out of hammer range for the time being sounds like a good plan.

Was there a point to this post? Reck used the word non-committal to describe Amrun, but I think this trumps that.

The point was to look town.
More specifically to be transparent about my reactions to THE UNIVERSE.

It's important to be read correctly as town, and it makes it easier for people to read you if you expose raw / not fully processed thoughts to them.
So even though I wasn't fully engaged / ready to push on things yet I tried to keep people abreast of what was going on in my brain.

[Llamarble]

We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.

If there is an SK then VP should be lynched because he is rolewise substantially more likely than anyone else to be scum.
We are essentially guaranteed a third party by Qford's census, so an SK is reasonably likely, so VP's overall probability of being scum is somewhat higher than everybody else's.

[Llamarble]

The word blunt occurs 6 times in Ghostlin's ISO.

[Llamarble]

No, that was just me being psychic.
I do that sometimes. Buffy Mafia is the best / most frightening example.
Also I explained 850 and that earlier post so what are you on about now?

Hey DDDP, you're a logic-focused player; do you think knowing there's a third party, there was 1 kill, and VPB was roleblocked are grounds for lynching him?
I'mma reread him again today and I may want to go in that direction.
UNVOTE: for now. Today is reengagement day after my DC / NY travels.

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Kindly confirm you were roleblocked at least.

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Fine then, if VPB was not roleblocked he should say "I was not roleblocked" and then the 2 of us can 1v1.
Otherwise he can just say "either I was roleblocked or I do not know."

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Good point.
I'm curious to hear the flavor behind Q's claim.

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I was told that after day 1 there were 10 town, 4 mafia, and 1 third party.

Yes but how does that work FLAVOR wise?

[Llamarble]

Uh, whatever your role related reasons are, they're wrong.
I think I may prefer Xvart / VPB over Ghostlin.
Now's actually a good time for me to read some. Yay!

[Llamarble]

I now have role-related reasons to think Llamarble is scum. I also have reason to believe in VP Baltar's guilt should the former flip scum.

I am not going to fullclaim.

VOTE: Llamarble

You mean role related reasons like these?

You guys are going to have to endure srs Quilford this game because of xvart. >___>

Let's consult the facts.

1.

zoraster posted that alignment was randomised. That means that people with a specific animal as their pet won't all be the same alignment unless random.org determined otherwise, which is highly improbable.

2.

lewarcher claimed to be a role who dies when he targets dogs and kills his target when he targets cats. That means lewarcher kills cats regardless of alignment.

Because he is killing

regardless of alignment

, it only makes sense that he is self-aligned.

If you're thinking that that's a really underpowered third party role, he probably has the ability to rolecop someone during the day or something like that... guessing people's pets would make it chance for him.

Obviously none of this applies if he's

still

lying about his role, but I don't think he is.

So, it's up to whether we want a third party role who might be able to kill scum alive or dead at the end of Day 1. I'm not sure myself, but I'm leaning heavily towards dead.

Also you already claimed census taker, and I have no idea in what manner it is possible for a census taker to collect role information that makes it more likely for an individual to be scum.
So yeah, I expect you to claim this stuff fully so I can either 1v1 you or laugh at you for being stupid.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: VP Baltar
Vi / Sotty seem to really be fighting the good fight. Which I guess is about what I'd expect two of the best players on our list to be doing...
And once VP & Xvart flip scum, Vi / Sotty will realize I'm town! Then they can stop listing me as scum next to a bunch of people I'm obviously not buddies with and we can all go do battle with scumbags together.

I feel slightly better lynching VP than Xvart. It is close though and I may waffle. But my waffling is probably going to be between those two.
Also Glowball may not be as town as I thought, but she was pretty town.

[Llamarble]

Yeah, I also recently played in a Thadmiral mini normal that had a tracker and a 1shot tracker.
Two town trackers happens from time to time and I've at least partially proven my role and will probably prove it further unless scum mess with me.

If you want to see my scum meta, go read a couple games; everything is on my wiki.
My play this game is sadly closer to my irrelevant townplay from Into Africa and Atomic Mafia than it is to my awesome townplay from Strategy mafia and other recent games, but I hope to remedy that.

[Llamarble]

It's true that you being roleblocked last night does rule you out as the killsubmitter if only one kill was submitted.
My vote is definitely based on dayplay read rather than night action.

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VOTE: DDDP

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VOTE: Xvart

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My journey is completed.
Some lost time needs to be made up for.
I remember I moved my vote off Ghostlin because I was worried he might flip town.