The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Amrun]

I shot SpyeX. *pout*

[Regfan]

I know I'll run into it at some point during my read through but I'd love clarification on what Watching from Thangorodrim and Seraphs are.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I shot SpyeX. *pout*

Totes Town reaction there ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

Anyway while waiting for Feysal to appear I'd like Amrun (and MagisterLudi who speaks for that slot like it's his job) to discuss their specific motivation for killing Spyrex.

[Amrun]

He avoided that Espeonage wagon like his life depended on it. He chose to focus on other things that should not have been focused on instead of lynching scum. And if he WAS scum, he'd be hard to lynch.

I thought about/discussed several options but that's what I landed on.

[MagnaofIllusion]

He avoided that Espeonage wagon like his life depended on it. He chose to focus on other things that should not have been focused on instead of lynching scum. And if he WAS scum, he'd be hard to lynch.

I thought about/discussed several options but that's what I landed on.

Who were our other options?

[Regfan]

Up to page 10, got a bunch of reads though they're likely to become irrelevant as I continue my read through, I really do want this answered though:

I know I'll run into it at some point during my read through but I'd love clarification on what Watching from Thangorodrim and Seraphs are.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I know I'll run into it at some point during my read through but I'd love clarification on what Watching from Thangorodrim and Seraphs are.

Seraphs are two sets of Non-players. The can't vote or directly communicate in thread.

Mina / Faraday are the Town Seraphs.
AGM / Thor are the Scum Seraphs.

They take alternating turns during the day using abilities. Those include granting boons (positive and negative), Neighborizing players to talk to, and other matters.

--

@Andy

- Do you have a role.

@Empking

- Once Andy has answered please indicate whether you attempted to give him one overnight.

[Regfan]

Thanks MoI, any other setup based information that I should be aware of? Has a mass-claim occurred yet and/or should it be occurring today?

Though page 20 and the amount of flavor and setup speculation is abysmal. From what I've read I'm leaning heavily towards Andrius, Furcolow, MoI and Ludi being town with weaker town-reads on MoS, Eli and to a degree Gut. I'd say that Mockingjaye and LordChronos are likely scum as well.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Though page 20 and the amount of flavor and setup speculation is abysmal. From what I've read I'm leaning heavily towards Andrius, Furcolow, MoI and Ludi being town with weaker town-reads on MoS, Eli and to a degree Gut. I'd say that Mockingjaye and LordChronos are likely scum as well.

Well by page 20 at least two of those are incorrect ....

[Empking]

Vote: Amrun

[Amrun]

scum. And if he WAS scum, he'd be hard to lynch.I thought about/discussed several options but that's what I landed on.

Ludi wanted me to shoot will-o-wisp, but I didn't think scum would lurk out of a partner's wagon like that.

Also considered Ellibereth and Empking.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote: Amrun

Great.

Did you give Andrius a role last night. YES OR NO

.

This is not optional.

[Regfan]

Well by page 20 at least two of those are incorrect ....

Elaborate. Also an answer to have we mass-claimed and/or should we mass-claim would be nice. Also do you have Faradays/Minas reads and if so can you link me to a post that includes them or post them please?

At page 35 now and very confident in saying that I think Furcolow, MoI and Ludi are town. I really don't see mafia not being given a role either nor do I see mafia attempting to pretend not to have a role making Andrius likely town. Still have a slight town-read on Eli but my town-read on MoS and Gut has essentially vanished, not so sure on Mocking either, I skimmed a lot of her newer posts and plan on ISOing her when I'm done with this read-through.

[Empking]

Vote: Amrun

Great.

Did you give Andrius a role last night. YES OR NO

.

This is not optional.

Don't be a dick. There's no need to bold it and threaten.

Yes.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Elaborate. Also an answer to have we mass-claimed and/or should we mass-claim would be nice. Also do you have Faradays/Minas reads and if so can you link me to a post that includes them or post them please?

At page 35 now and very confident in saying that I think Furcolow, MoI and Ludi are town. I really don't see mafia not being given a role either nor do I see mafia attempting to pretend not to have a role making Andrius likely town. Still have a slight town-read on Eli but my town-read on MoS and Gut has essentially vanished, not so sure on Mocking either, I skimmed a lot of her newer posts and plan on ISOing her when I'm done with this read-through.

1. Furc has claimed a 3rd Party Survivor role.
2. Scratch the second incorrect – I mixed up LordChronos and Chronopie there … Chronopie flipped Doc.

No mass claim at this stage so far. No-one has discussed mass claims yet. Given the lack of success our so called Town friendly killing machines have had in NKs it probably is worth discussing.

Ask Andrius about Mina / Faraday’s reads. As long as I was a member of the Neighborhood they were shy about giving them out.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Don't be a dick. There's no need to bold it and threaten.

Yes.

Yeah ... that probably was over the top. My bad. Frankly I'm tired of no-one listening to me and I'm done with messing around.

@Andy

- Do you have a role? Yes or No is sufficent at this stage.

[Regfan]

I'll get to Furcs exact claim later but from what I can tell this is very likely near lylo given the amount of town deaths so far and two third party claims along with likely inclusion of 2-3 more mafia. So yeah, I strongly recommend a mass-claim starting soon but I want to get through the rest of this read-through before it starts.

I'm going to take a slight break, go get some coffee and come back and knock it all over before noon my time, it's 8am at the moment.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, it’s time for VC Analysis while I wait for all the information to come it. It’s going to be a little more ragged than usual since we have claimed Non-mafia 3rd party factions. I’m just going to calculate what I think to be the high side of total expected scum and wing it. It worked for Atomic Mafia.

22 Actual players in the game (disregarding the Seraphs – they will have to live with it). High expected total scum percentage is around 33%. I’m going to go 35% just based on gut. Expected total scum is 7.7, rounded to 8.

Blue equals confirmed Town via deaths.
Red equals confirmed non-Town via deaths or in thread 3rd Party claims.

N1 End of Day Wagons

–

kanyeknowsbest - 6 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Sun and Moon,

PeregrineV

,

smargaret

Feysal

- 4 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus,

gandalf5166

PeregrineV

- 10 - Dekes,

Feysal

, Empking,

Spyrex

, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Furcolowl

, Andrius

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

N2 End of Day Wagons

–

Furcolowl

- 1 -

smargaret

Feysal

- 1 - Dekes

VitaminR

- 10 - Herodotus, Gut, Empking,

Furcolowl

, Magister Ludi, kanyeknowsbest, MagnaofIllusion,

Wraith

, Andrius,

Feysal

kanyeknowsbest - 6 - mockingjaye,

Will-o-wisp

,

gandalf5166

, Sun and Moon,

VitaminR

Will-o-wisp

- 1 -

Spyrex

Wraith

- 1 - Mastermind of Sin

Not Voting (1): Ellibereth,

N3 End of Day Wagons

–

Sun and Moon - 4 - Empking, Ellibereth, Andrius,

Spyrex

Empking - 1 -

Will-o-wisp

smargaret

- 9 - Herodotus, kanyeknowsbest, Mastermind of Sin, Sun and Moon,

Furcolowl

, Gut, Magister Ludi, mockingjaye, MagnaofIllusion
MagnaofIllusion - 1 -

smargaret

Not Voting (2): Dekes,

Feysal

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, here’s the actual N1 Wagons –

kanyeknowsbest - 5 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Sun and Moon,

PeregrineV

Feysall

- 3 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, LordChronos

PeregrineV

- 12 -

smargaretl

,

Feysall

, Empking,

Spyrex

, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Furcolowl

, Andrius, Espeonage,

gandalf5166

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

[MagnaofIllusion]

This will have to continue tomorrow. My brain obviously isn't working since I've screwed up that color / replace process twice since I have both Espeonage and Smarg on the Vote Count above.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Alright, really need some explanations here. Feysal is lynch #1, S&M is lynch #2. Feysal has absolutely NO reason to kill someone other than the person who gives him a win and removes him from the game. Which means that he was lying to us about his win condition from the beginning (which doesn't surprise me). S&M's SpyreX kill stinks, SpyreX was fairly obviously town. I still think it's hella suspicious that S&M has claimed 3 kills so far, and as of yet we have no evidence of a mafia kill. I half suspect that they claimed the failed kill on Espy/Smarg in order to supposedly account for a mafia kill Night 2 and to make them look good when/if their scumbuddy died. Right now, though, I'm more worried about Feysal. I'd also like to hear from MoI about why he isn't dead. Suicide cop failing to get his guilty result lynched and then surviving the day? WTF is that shit?

tl;dr - Feysal, S&M, and MoI are all still hella scummy and have some explaining to do.

[Gut]

MOS, 2 kill methods were used to kill SpyreX, IE: 3 kills. Everything else aside S&M 100% can kill.

[Herodotus]

Vote: Amrun

Great.

Did you give Andrius a role last night. YES OR NO

.

This is not optional.

You told him not to answer until Andrius did.

Empking, your Amrun vote makes no sense.

I think it would make a tremendous difference to the game if anyone could clarify whether smargaret/Espeonage was part of a group at the beginning, or if that playerslot was like a cult recruiter, with no original scumbuddies, and whose team would not suicide upon their death.
I doubt anyone who knows the answer will be interested in sharing it, but just in case.
I'm leaning toward the first possibility.

VOTE: Elibereth

I'd also like to hear from MoI about why he isn't dead. Suicide cop failing to get his guilty result lynched and then surviving the day? WTF is that shit?

Unfortunately, he has a valid explanation. Faramina removed his power before D3 ended.

[Gut]

SpyreX

- 1 -

Gut

Gut

- 2 - MagnaofIllusion,

PeregrineV

Feysal

- 1 -

VitaminR

Andrius - 1 - Mastermind of Sin
kanyeknowsbest - 1 - Magister Ludi

gandalf5166

- 6 - Empking,

SpyreX

, kanyeknowsbest,

Furcolow

, Herodotus,

Feysal

Furcolow

- 1 - Andrius

Not Voting (9):

Sun and Moon

,

Chronopie

,

gandalf5166

, Ellibereth, Dekes, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

smargaret

,

Will-o-wisp

SpyreX

- 2 -

Gut

,

gandalf5166

gandalf5166

- 4 -

SpyreX

, kanyeknowsbest, Herodotus,

smargaret

Furcolow

- 1 - Andrius
kanyeknowsbest - 1 -

PeregrineV

Feysal

- 3 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking

PeregrineV

- 1 -

VitaminR

Herodotus - 2 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi

Not Voting (8):

Sun and Moon

,

Chronopie

, Dekes, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

Will-o-wisp

,

Feysal

,

Furcolow

SpyreX

- 2 -

Gut

,

gandalf5166

gandalf5166

- 3 -

SpyreX

, kanyeknowsbest,

smargaret

Furcolow

- 1 - Andrius
kanyeknowsbest - 1 -

PeregrineV

Feysal

- 4 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, Herodotus

PeregrineV

- 1 -

VitaminR

Herodotus - 2 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi

Not Voting (8):

Sun and Moon

,

Chronopie

, Dekes, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

Will-o-wisp

,

Feysal

,

Furcolow

SpyreX

- 1 -

gandalf5166

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

Sun and Moon

Furcolow

- 1 - Andrius
kanyeknowsbest - 3 -

PeregrineV

,

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye

Feysal

- 4 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, Herodotus
Herodotus - 5 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi,

SpyreX

,

VitaminR

,

Feysal

VitaminR

- 1 -

Gut

Will-o-wisp

- 1 -

Furcolow

Not Voting (4):

Chronopie

, Dekes,

Wraith

,

smargaret

gandalf5166

- 3 - kanyeknowsbest,

Sun and Moon

,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 2 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye

Feysal

- 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, Herodotus,

Gut

, Andrius,

gandalf5166

Herodotus - 4 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Feysal

Will-o-wisp

- 1 -

Furcolow

Andrius - 1 -

PeregrineV

Not Voting (4):

Chronopie

, Dekes,

Wraith

,

smargaret

gandalf5166

- 3 - kanyeknowsbest,

Sun and Moon

,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 3 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

Feysal

- 6 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

Herodotus - 4 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Feysal

Will-o-wisp

- 1 -

Furcolow

Andrius - 1 -

PeregrineV

SpyreX

- 1 -

Gut

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

,

smargaret

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 5 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

Feysal

- 6 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

Andrius - 1 -

PeregrineV

SpyreX

- 1 -

Gut

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

smargaret

- 1 -

Furcolow

Not Voting (4):

Chronopie

,

smargaret

, Ellibereth,

Feysal

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 7 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

Feysal

- 6 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

, Empking
Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

smargaret

- 1 -

Furcolow

Wraith

- 1 -

smargaret

Not Voting (3):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth,

Feysal

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 8 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

Feysal

Feysal

- 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

, Empking,

Furcolow

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

Wraith

- 1 -

smargaret

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 8 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

Feysal

Feysal

- 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

, Empking,

Furcolow

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

Wraith

- 1 -

smargaret

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 8 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

Feysal

Feysal

- 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

, Empking,

Furcolow

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

Wraith

- 1 -

smargaret

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

gandalf5166

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 9 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

Feysal

,

smargaret

Feysal

- 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

, Empking,

Furcolow

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 1 - Dekes

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

gandalf5166

- 1 -

SpyreX

kanyeknowsbest - 8 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

smargaret

Feysal

- 5 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 3 - Dekes,

Feysal

, Empking

Will-o-wisp

- 2 - kanyeknowsbest,

Furcolow

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

kanyeknowsbest - 6 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

Sun and Moon

,

PeregrineV

,

smargaret

Feysal

- 5 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus, Andrius,

gandalf5166

Herodotus - 1 -

VitaminR

PeregrineV

- 8 - Dekes,

Feysal

, Empking,

SpyreX

,

Gut

, kanyeknowsbest,

Furcolow

, Magister Ludi

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

kanyeknowsbest - 6 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

Sun and Moon

,

PeregrineV

,

smargaret

Feysal

- 4 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus,

gandalf5166

PeregrineV

- 10 - Dekes,

Feysal

, Empking,

SpyreX

,

Gut

, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Furcolow

, Andrius

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth

kanyeknowsbest - 5 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

,

Sun and Moon

,

PeregrineV

Feysal

- 3 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Herodotus

PeregrineV

- 12 - Dekes,

Feysal

, Empking,

SpyreX

,

Gut

, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Furcolow

, Andrius,

smargaret

,

gandalf5166

Not Voting (2):

Chronopie

, Ellibereth