The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Ellibereth

More later.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Amrun

Great.

Did you give Andrius a role last night. YES OR NO

.

This is not optional.

Don't be a dick. There's no need to bold it and threaten.

Yes.

Andrius, please confirm whether or not you have a role now.

MOS, 2 kill methods were used to kill SpyreX, IE: 3 kills. Everything else aside S&M 100% can kill.

Oh, thanks, I totally didn't see that.

[Empking]

Unvote, Vote: Fey

[kanyeknowsbest]

vote mockingjaye

kanyeknowsbest - 9 -

Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

, Magister Ludi,

Sun and Moon

,

Gut

,

PeregrineV

,

Feysal

,

smargaret

no way did it get until espeonage/smarg before i had scum on me. will present a case shortly

i think it can be reasonably assumed that ludi/s&m are both town at this point, regardless of their terrible nk choice. i am very suspicious that moi is still alive regardless of suicide deactivation shenanigans. also i forgot ellibereth was in this game. looking 4ward to what ludi has to say on him.

I think it would make a tremendous difference to the game if anyone could clarify whether smargaret/Espeonage was part of a group at the beginning, or if that playerslot was like a cult recruiter, with no original scumbuddies, and whose team would not suicide upon their death.

what gives you this idea at all? i see no reason to believe smarg was anything but group scum?

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, mockingjay I think is scum as well.

I think it is highly likely Will-o-Wisp bodyguarded Sun and Moon (or maybe Magna), and either feysal decided to shoot his way to victory, or mafia tried to kill either the Vig or Cop.

I still am not sure what to make of MoI. What was your result last night? I know its been asked already, but I want to know who Feysal tried to shoot.

[Gut]

Operating under the assumption that mafia have a tendency to be non-randomly spread out, and the assumption that smargaret was part of a larger mafia(of which feysal and furcolow don't belong, and andi wouldn't know if he belonged to yet or not):

Magister Ludi .72
Ellibereth .52
Mastermind of Sin .42
Dekes .54
mockingjaye 1.04
kanyeknowsbest .45
Empking .46
MagnaofIllusion .46
Herodotus .40


Those are my normalized findings after half of the day1 wagons I coloured (I forgot to colour andrius blue for what I was doing before I posted them)

[Magister Ludi]

What do those number mean? Is high bad?

[Gut]

Yes, higher is bad, but its only half of day1, it took way longer than I expected.

[Gut]

(assumed 5 total mafia, so those numebrs should roughly add up to 4, the number of remaning scum, but I did some rounding so its not perfect)

[Magister Ludi]

Not entirely sure how you got those numbers.

What are you reads on Elli and Mocking? Would you be willing to vote and lynch either?

[Gut]

I can probably upload the spreadsheet I'm using to google docs or something once I've done everything. Those are just the results not the process, and this is the first time I'm trying the process, it may be poo.

I wouldn't mind voting for either of those players, but I'd like to talk to my other head first.

[Gut]

Vote: Elli

[Magister Ludi]

(Who are your heads? CES and someone else?)

I don't really need to see little numbers to know who is scum or not. The critical wagons are definitely when Sun and Moon got to L-2 yesterday, and perhaps Kanye on day one if kanye is, in fact, town.

[Empking]

Chamber

[Magister Ludi]

Why in gods name are you voting Sun and Moon?

[Soben]

Up to page 53 and this is taking slightly longer than I expected, I probably won't be fully through the thread and ISOing for another five-ish hours or so since I have to pop into the shops soon. Oh and just a heads up; I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever but am willing to borrow and read the book if it's really necessary.

From where I'm up to Andrius, Empking, Gut, Ludi, MoI and S&M are probably town and Furcolow and Feysal are claimed and near-confirmed third parties leaving the scum to be within a pool of [Elibereth, MoS, Mockingjaye, Kayne and Herodoteus] and inside those I'm more confident in Mocking, Kayne and Hero being scum.

[Regfan]

This is my post, apologies won't happen again:

Up to page 53 and this is taking slightly longer than I expected, I probably won't be fully through the thread and ISOing for another five-ish hours or so since I have to pop into the shops soon. Oh and just a heads up; I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever but am willing to borrow and read the book if it's really necessary.

From where I'm up to Andrius, Empking, Gut, Ludi, MoI and S&M are probably town and Furcolow and Feysal are claimed and near-confirmed third parties leaving the scum to be within a pool of [Elibereth, MoS, Mockingjaye, Kayne and Herodoteus] and inside those I'm more confident in Mocking, Kayne and Hero being scum.

[Empking]

Why in gods name are you voting Sun and Moon?

I'm not.

[Magister Ludi]

Who are you exactly, Soben?

Anyways, I sort of agree with your reads

1. Andrius

Probably town, no role is unlikely to be scum now, especially since smarg playerslot targeted no role gandalf the night he got a role, prob tried to convert there instead of andrius.

2. Magister Ludi

Mason

3. Sun and Moon (CSL + Amrun hydra)

Vig Mason
6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
8. Dekes
10. mockingjaye

11. Furcolow

third party

12. Gut (Cogito Ergo Sum + chamber hydra)

15. Feysal (replacing Katsuki)

third party
16. kanyeknowsbest

18. Empking

gave role to gandalf, who flipped town, same night gandy was targeted by mafia. unlikely to be scum

20. MagnaofIllusion

Prob town
22. Herodotus (replacing LordChronos)

Leave Ellibereth, MoS, Dekes (now Regfan?), mockingjay, Herod and kanye

I lean slight not as scum on Herod, kanye and mos.

Rest is Ellibereth, Dekes, Mockingjay. I think a bunch of them are scum

Pedit, empking, why did you vote Amrun?

[Empking]

Pedit, empking, why did you vote Amrun?

Guilty result on her so I didn't really think.

[kanyeknowsbest]

vote mockingjaye

I think it would make a tremendous difference to the game if anyone could clarify whether smargaret/Espeonage was part of a group at the beginning, or if that playerslot was like a cult recruiter, with no original scumbuddies, and whose team would not suicide upon their death.

what gives you this idea at all? i see no reason to believe smarg was anything but group scum?

nevermind i just reread the flip! still, given that his role title is Mafia xxx i think its safe to assume he was groupscum.

flavor people what kind of flavor is there on glaurung recruiting?
empking what is your role name? is there anything that would lead you to believe that you should be giving andrius his role and that he was not some sort of recruitment target for glaurung?

[Gut]

I don't really put much faith in VCA either, this is more an experminet, I can see how accurate it was after the game. All of day 1:

Magister Ludi .72
Ellibereth .54
Mastermind of Sin .44
Dekes .45
mockingjaye .91
kanyeknowsbest .54
Empking .50
MagnaofIllusion .46
Herodotus .43

I noticed I missed vote count in the earlier list, so its not exactly the first half of day 1 (though it is 8 vote counts just not the first 8)

[kanyeknowsbest]

1. Andrius Probably town, no role is unlikely to be scum now, especially since smarg playerslot targeted no role gandalf the night he got a role, prob tried to convert there instead of andrius.

consider that empking targeted andrius night 2 and failed and that andrius did not report anything odd the next day. i think theres a solid possibility that smarg may have recruited him.

[Magister Ludi]

Oh I though smarg targeted Gandalf night two.

ok, reread Andrius time. I thought his insistence on not vigging mockingjay was weird. Turns out they could be scum together.

[Andrius]

Feysal has absolutely NO reason to kill someone other than the person who gives him a win and removes him from the game.

Funny, we're contemplating lynching him now. This has already been brought up upstairs.

Vote: Feysal

Going off my own will and volition, this seems to be the best choice. Why would he NOT kill the man he needs to kill to win the game? Something isn't right in the state of Denmark.

I've had a role for sometime. I've had U.N.OWN. from the beginning. I've always had a role.
Empking, don't target me again.

/subtle

predit: ohai Ludi.
mjaye was an early townread of mine. I held constant, though her lack of activity when she's clearly posting elsewhere rubs me the wrong way. Though perhaps its something else entirely. I understand the need to lie low sometimes but this is getting ridiculous. Still, Feysal's inconsistencies are more obvscum than her.

mjaye: Be a dear and catchup, love.