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[Odysseus]

I'm aware. This is me trying to explain why my gut has such a big problem with lynching Yonzy over Katty. I was just listing everything that made me feel irksome. (<- Dude, how cool is that? That is actually a word.)

[Fishythefish]

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that Katty is last scum instead of Yonzy.

1. In Yonzy's first post he would have had to name one partner full scum and vote him and call the other lazy town/scum. Lazy town/scum is exactly the gist that I had at SH at the time and his reasoning for DH is exactly why I suspected him too. And the fact that Yonzy brought up DH when no one else was focusing on him has to count for something. Why would he do that AND start to push on SH as well? Yonzy produced three scum reads in that post and two of them were on his partners who at the time were not under much heat? Why?

2. DH's main point against Yonzy was that he didn't continue to push hard on DH after the vote but that was because DH went on V/LA. And why is DH naming his only remaining partner his top scum read after we just lynched his other partner? He obviously wasn't trying hard to scumhunt so it was a conscious decision to bus his partner immediately? This even extends to today when DH asked for Yonzy to be shot instead of him. Why? The majority of people at that point we're calling for a Katty shot and a DH lynch. Why would he ask for the shot to be on his partner when he could just as easily push Katty?

3. DH also said that he needed to reread Katty and myself and usually when scum will name two people for last possible scum, there's one town and one scum. You think he continued to bus and then pretended like he was going to read two people he /knew/ were town for last scum? Why not just call it out of his ass then? It's not like he would actually expect to find something.

4. During d1, there were two big wagons: One was SH and the other is Katty. If Katty was town, why did SH ask me to name the towntells his competeting wagon made? What is the scum benefit on asking one town person to elaborate on another town read WHILE he is being lynched?

5. Soben just said that Katty wouldn't have had the balls to bus and so she's town? How come when Soben, Uphill and myself voted Katty did DH, SH (and even Yonzy) not hop on and instead call her null/town? What was the benefit? If three town were lynching town, why would all three scum avoid it like the plague?

6. And none of the constant bussing makes any since to me.

7. For my happiness, could we lynch Katty today and if it's wrong, we can all blame it on me?

Chopped this post up, numbered it, deleted a few bits that don't need responding to.

1. Scumread on one partner and equivocal read on the other seems a reasonable thing for scum to do. Yonzy wasn't pushing on SH at this point.
2. I agree about this one. DH's bussing would be pretty extreme.
3. I see nothing at all wrong with scum saying they're going to read some people they know are town. Just because he knew he wouldn't find anything doesn't mean he didn't intend to pretend to find something.
4,5. Katty and SH were never rival wagons. SH wagon came out of nowhere. It's very plausible that the scum felt under little pressure at the time of the Katty wagon, and had no particular reason to hop on. By the time SH was under fire, it was too late for deflection.
6. I agree that a SH/DH/Yonzy scumteam would be pretty bussy, and that makes it less likely. I just think that Yonzy's play fits really, really well with him being the third scum.
7. OK. The points made against Yonzyscum make me care less between him and Katty.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Katty

@Soben: take it to the QT.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 2.6:

Katty Bard - [4] - Gen_Wolf, Odysseus, Soben, Fishythefish
Yonzy - [1] - redtail896

Not Voting - [5] - bionicchop2, el simo, Katty Bard, Uphill, Yonzy

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 5 to no-lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2011-11-19 20:00:00)

[bionicchop2]

Let's get this to claim town. Katty is the only person DH listed as a 'town read' who I do not read as very town.

VOTE: Katty L-1, claim it.

[Yonzy]

Guys, if I was scum why would I bus both my teammates d1?
Also, I had a scumread/lazy townie read on SH, so it's not like I completely changed my read to hop on the wagon. Also, I had my strongest scum read on the godfather. If I was scum, I'd think SH and DH come back at me alot harder than they did for me bussing them so hard.

I am Vanilla Townie.

I can't believe how much my simple posts have been misinterpreted though.

I don't really know what else to say since Odysseus explained better then I would..

Just waiting on a KB claim.

[Odysseus]

unvote

no lolhammers.

But yeah, claim katty.

[bionicchop2]

double

VOTE: Katty

Who the hell is going to lolhammer?

Also, nice claim for no reason yonzy.

[Soben]

Odysseus, I don't think there's anything more PR wise than us and a protective role who I'm relatively sure I know who it is and it's not Katty.

Bionic, he was asked to claim.

[Odysseus]

You're so cute when you try to determine protective roles.

We know who it is.

[Odysseus]

Slaxx, who cares if someone 'lolhammers'?

VOTE: Katty >:D

[Odysseus]

because there's fucking sense in waiting

theres 0% drawback to waiting

however there is (a very smal)l but still plausible chance she can claim something confirmable.

So fucking

unvote

[Odysseus]

y u tryin 2 sav her huh u scum or somethin

[Odysseus]

stfu

[Odysseus]

inb4modkill

[redtail896]

Um, assuming bionic is actually a doublevoter, that was a hammer wasn't it?

Just in case, UNVOTE: with willingess to hammer in 24 hours if she doesn't claim, and likely even then.

[Katty Bard]

ugh. I'm sorry guys. I have had zero incentive to play this game at all. All I can do is claim vanilla townie and try to get back with this game.

[redtail896]

clarification: are you actually a doublevoter bionic?

[Odysseus]

No, he's not or he would have flipped shit when we fake claimed it.

VOTE: Katty

[bionicchop2]

Red - my vote didn't even closely resemble proper double voting format under any mod standards.

[redtail896]

Sorry, I've never seen an actual doublevoter.

[Soben]

In case it's not obvious, if the game doesn't end here the doctor or bodyguard needs to be on us tonight. If there's a jailkeeper they can flip a coin, heads is being on us and tails is not.

[Katty Bard]

Re: Oddy #340 ...IIRC, DH was frantically decrying me as town yesterday. Also, I'm not sure anymore how I feel about simo as an individual...him being mafia would make me look at Red for the reason I said, but Red being mafia doesn't make simo anything.
I felt like his case was opportunistic and dependent on things beyond my control. 333 in particular has little to nothing to do with my own actions. This part-

Meanwhile, Katty continued to call SH scum and not vote for him. Also: all of her reads are very safe, mimicking those of you or Odysseus. The biggest risk she ever takes is "I'm not seeing redtail sheep anymore." Everything is very standard and vanilla. And all she gives are reads.

is the only part of his case on me, by the time I'd made my last post, that I actually have control over.

3. On page 10 when you said "yeah, this dude's probably mafia," SH was at L-2. You could have voted for him (or anybody) then, but didn't. Why?

I answered this already. I did not want to let a quickhammer happen.

...was that hammer? Do I need to reread this game after all? I feel really detached from it anyway. :/
I read everything from page like...15 on and I'm just not picking up anything. I'm sorry. I'm the most useless townie in the game. Better luck to me next time and good luck town.

[Odysseus]

Someone go ahead and hammer.

Also, you'll be fine just check Yonzy.

[Soben]

Let the woman live.

[redtail896]

VOTE: Katty Bard

Preview: Why?