Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

[Llamarble]

If we outlaw guns, then only criminals will have vigs.
Or something.
Basically if we say NEVAR LYNCH A VIG D1 vig instantly becomes the best D1 claim for scum because making D1 scumlynch impossible slants gameodds SIGNIFICANTLY in scum's favor.
And then there's the whole 'he changed his claim' thing.
I haven't actually read yet though. So I'll be doing that soon.

[glowball]

I don't believe he claimed vig. He claimed like "weakish" scumrolecop.

[Quilford]

what was that terrible post llamarble

[Quilford]

you too glowball

honestly how is everyone forgetting

[Llamarble]

Also, this is petsPick!

Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!

This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.

If knowing who cats are gives you vigging powers, wouldn't that be grounds for species-claim?

[Llamarble]

Also if the player has a bird / fish / bear, what happens?
Though I guess assuming we all have cats or dogs doesn't seem terribly unlikely.
The claimed role seems awesome as a way to help scum punish massclaim and take advantage of information shenanigans.
Also it's called an

assassin

which is not a very town-connotationy word.

[xRECKONERx]

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

[Quilford]

BTW doing RGAM at 2:28 CDT. Only alignment. Limited in Nature.

Hmmmm.

Although Llamarble is annoying the fuck out of me his last post has some good points and I still want to lynch lewarcher

[Llamarble]

Lewarcher also has done surprisingly minimal scumhunting for somebody under so much pressure and interacting significantly with the game.
Sometimes being under attack kind of freezes up scumhunting and engages defense-mode, I guess.

[lewarcher82]

@reck: my role PM does not mention the possibility of multiple pets.
@ghostlin&llama: as far as I know, knowing the pets of people can help someone else as it would help me. Also: people may have reasons for lying about their pets. Therefore, I intended my power to be used mostly for confirming people, and as it involves the risk of death, I was going to use it only later in game.

@Vi: this how I see it. There is no

ad hominem

argumentation in considerign scummy the way you are tunneling me. Please explain the case on me. Show me the scumminess of my original interactions with glowball, because quicklynching someone on day one for "having made quickly made up their mind" is not an acceptable practice to me.

On the other hand, what is an

ad hominem

argumentation is your statement about my reads. Of course you don't like them: perhaps it's because you turned out to be on of my scumreads? Or you are able to judge the quality of my reads in a game in which your attack prevented me from doing anything but defending?

[glowball]

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

I agree and I'm ready to lynch him.

What is he at right now?

[Llamarble]

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

Hehe, D1 SK speculation is such an awesome scumtell.
May actually be warranted here though since that's kinda a good point.
What kind of setup with an SK could make sense? 1 v 4 v 11? Sounds painful for town but I suppose this is likely a PR-loaded game.

I'm not ready to lynch Lew btw.
No reason to only find one scum D1. We should push some more ideas around.
Not to mention I need to make enough posts to earn myself a non-vigging.

[Llamarble]

posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow

It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?

IDK... care to comment on this?

Hahaha truly you are fishy mcfisherwoman.
And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."

Glowball is town.

[glowball]

I don't TRY to be anti-town. That shit just comes naturally.

[Llamarble]

Sorry, that wasn't meant as an insult.
The idea is town tend to be more offended when called VIs whereas scum welcome it as a way to get away with more / be harder to lynch.

Speaking of VIs, Vi is towntown. I approve / have experienced similar feelings to 51, 74, 144, and the initial townread on Sotty.

[lewarcher82]

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

except I am not a dog, but a cat myself.

[Llamarble]

DDDP seems a tad too 'Lewarcher lynch party time.'
Ghostlin looks town; at first he didn't get the reasoning behind species reveal being bad but later he notes how counterintuitive Lewarcher wanting to nip animal type-claims in the bud was.
Jason is not Angelus fakeclaiming Angel nor any other manner of scum this game. Breath. Of. Fresh. Town.

And that's the extent of what you'll get from me this evening.
SLIGHTLY DELIRIOUS SLEEPYTIME YAHOO!

P. edit: Yeah, it would be a Highlander cat or something. Cats aren't nearly as pack-friendly as dogs.
And if the mafia kidnapped a killer cat it wouldn't play very well with the others in whatever llamaland the example PM mentioned.
Does your PM actually say you :are: Mao?
Why are we thinking about serial killers...

In conclusion I want to think more tomorrow so let's not hammer yet.

[lewarcher82]

no, sorry, PM says Mao is my pet. With a bit of flavour on how I am a bit freaked out by my pet, who is not a common one: paraphrasing, it basically describes it as being special but a bit threatening.

[Vi]

Llamarble, be honest. How heavily are you sandbagging yourself this game? Literally all of your posts thus far qualify you for immediate liquidation, and I know you're a much better player than that.

--

Please explain the case on me.

Paraphrase:
glowball: Let's talk about pets in a way that could not possibly be related to our roles
xRx: lol rolefishing
You: WELL GLOWBALL that was incredibly scummy, now LET ME SEE: Are you "VI of the decade", or are you "scum"?
glowball: VI of the decade
xRx: actually i believe that
You: Yeah probably VI of the decade; I didn't actually believe you could be scum in the first place

(fast-forward)

You: This wagon is SCUM-DRIVEN and BASED ON NOTHING
Me: lol
You: YOU, Vi, ARE THE SCUM DRIVING THIS WAGON
Me: *looks at all the other votes on this wagon that I did not solicit* *shrugs*
You: MARK MY WORDS YOU WILL BE LYNCHED FOR THIS TRAVESTY DAY 2
Me: *gets a little bored*
You: BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF MY SCUMREADS
Me: *doesn't bother looking for the rest of your scumreads because I know you haven't given any*
You: AND YOU HAVE TO BE SCUM BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY SUCK THIS BAD AT MAFIA THEORY
Me: *remembers that one game where I called for a massclaim on D1 of Vanilla Townies in a setup where V. Townies are never ever ever supposed to claim D1, and how that broke the game open, and remembers quite vividly that you were in that game too; and then remembers how I'm even a member of an unorthodoxy club called Bad at Mafia*
You: YOU CHEEKY SCUM, YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN ACT CONFIDENT AND PEOPLE WILL JUST FOLLOW YOU EVEN IN THE FACE OF "PROPER PRO-TOWN STRATEGY", WELL GUESS WHAT I HAVE YOUR NUMBER
Me: ...

[Quilford]

Me: *remembers that one game where I called for a massclaim on D1 of Vanilla Townies in a setup where V. Townies are never ever ever supposed to claim D1, and how that broke the game open, and remembers quite vividly that you were in that game too; and then remembers how I'm even a member of an unorthodoxy club called Bad at Mafia*

Hi. Link. Thanks.

[Vi]

Me: *remembers that one game where I called for a massclaim on D1 of Vanilla Townies in a setup where V. Townies are never ever ever supposed to claim D1, and how that broke the game open, and remembers quite vividly that you were in that game too; and then remembers how I'm even a member of an unorthodoxy club called Bad at Mafia*

Hi. Link. Thanks.

Wiki page. Use it. You're welcome.

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Day 1

Amrun ( 0 )

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Cogito Ergo Sum ( 0 )

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Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

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Ghostlin ( 0 )

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glowball ( 0 )

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JasonT1981 ( 2 )

Amrun,

Cogito Ergo Sum,

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Kublai Khan ( 0 )

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lewarcher82 ( 7 )

Vi,

XReckonerX,

Untrod Tripod,

Ghostlin,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford,

Kublai Khan,

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Llamarble ( 0 )

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Quilford ( 3 )

VP Baltar,

glowball,

xvart,

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Sotty7 ( 0 )

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Untrod Tripod ( 0 )

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Vi ( 1 )

lewarcher82,

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VP Baltar ( 0 )

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XReckonerX ( 1 )

Llamarble,

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xvart ( 2 )

JasonT1981,

Sotty7,

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No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 1 )

Roxi,

Total Votes ( 17 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

Deadline: Nov. 18th at 20:00 EST

[Sotty7]

If we outlaw guns, then only criminals will have vigs.
Or something.
Basically if we say NEVAR LYNCH A VIG D1 vig instantly becomes the best D1 claim for scum because making D1 scumlynch impossible slants gameodds SIGNIFICANTLY in scum's favor.
And then there's the whole 'he changed his claim' thing.
I haven't actually read yet though. So I'll be doing that soon.

Yo Amrun. How about we lynch Llama instead of Jason?

Lewarcher also has done surprisingly minimal scumhunting for somebody under so much pressure and interacting significantly with the game.
Sometimes being under attack kind of freezes up scumhunting and engages defense-mode, I guess.

Please direct me to the scum hunting you have done in this thread. All I have seen is you set up spec'ing and promising to read. The game isn't even that long and you seem to be up to date.

lewarcher as some kind of "dog that hates cats SK" is starting to look more and more plausible. Get rid of all the cats in the game and achieve third party wincon.

Hehe, D1 SK speculation is such an awesome scumtell.
May actually be warranted here though since that's kinda a good point.
What kind of setup with an SK could make sense? 1 v 4 v 11? Sounds painful for town but I suppose this is likely a PR-loaded game.

Are you kidding me with this?

Vote: Llama

Delayed reads are delayed, doesn't make me feel any better about your start in this game.

[Llamarble]

I'm not sandbagging at this point, but I'm definitely in the 'figuring out the game' phase where my posts are as much notes-to-self as anything else.

[Amrun]

I could get behind this. He's reminding me of "stall timez as scum" from white flag llama.