Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[jerobbo]

When two people are arguing about something that no-one else really cares about - they often get left to their own devices. It makes perfect sense - ever walked into a room where 2 people are arguing and you just go "Awkwaaaard" and try and ignore it.

Read their argument again, it's completely forced and fake, seriously.

And fatlikepig, I'm not even voting Amrun, how is there a mislynch wagon?? I'm voting Fruitbasket but those 2 are involved together and Amrum had posted more recently so obviously my posts focused on her.

Btw Amrun, I love post 991 Calling me stupid, talking about crazy theories and terrible, terrible reads. It's a classic post from a guilty person using that kind of language.

And yeah you're right, my conviction in going after you didn't match my initial replacement post but I felt like we needed to move things forward a bit with the scumhunting and it's definitely done that.

[jerobbo]

Jerobbo's recent posts, whoooooooa boy

But nah you're not bussing anyone, you were just going to have a fierce argument so people would ignore you and let the two of you go at it.

It was all too forced.

This actually makes no sense.
"WE'LL HAVE AN ARGUMENT SO EVERYONE IGNORES ME"? How does that even work? Why was their argument forced?

Missed it and then asking for clarification as well - surely using only one stalling tactic would have been enough??

What? Missing a post is not a scumtell. Asking for clarification is not a scumtell.

Jerobbo's making up reasons to vote Amrun. This seems very much like scum knowing that they've just jumped onto a mislynch wagon, and that they need to find their "own reasons" for lynching someone in order to avoid being suspicious. Neither of the things he's raised are even remotely scummy, and while in my case I'm unsure about Amrun's alignment, Jerobbo's posts do not sit well with me at all.

Just feel like I have to say, everything in your post is wrong.

I explained why having an argument can make people ignore you. Why was it forced? Iso it and read it yourself.

Never said missing a post or asking for clarification was a scumtell but that post felt like stalling.

I'm not making up reasons to vote for Amrun. 1. I'm not even voting for Amrun yet (although I happily would) 2. I've had reasons since my very first post in this game.

There is no mislynch wagon and I've had my "own reasons" for suspecting Amrun since, again, my first post in the game. A lot of things I've raised are scummy. Amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy and I'm not the only one who sees that.

Lastly, if you think I'm trying to avoid being suspicious...I think you need to read better.

So in conclusion, you've either not read the game properly, or perhaps you're the missing scum number 3?

[bvoigt]

jerobbo, do you think it's worth using associative tells without a scumflip?

[jerobbo]

jerobbo, do you think it's worth using associative tells without a scumflip?

Generally I would say no.

But I've read through this game fully twice and it's a tough one. There's very little to go on from most people. However it has then lead to Amrun's recent posts which have pretty much confirmed things for me.

[pidgey]

Been fkn busy but i will post later this afternoon or when i get a chance today.

[Amrun]

Read their argument again, it's completely forced and fake, seriously.

This is something you need to show why you think this, because hint: no one else does because it's silly.

That being said, I don't have any particular reason to think you're scum.

Terrible theories =/= scum.

[jerobbo]

That being said, I don't have any particular reason to think you're scum.

Cause you know who the other 2 are?

[Amrun]

That being said, I don't have any particular reason to think you're scum.

Cause you know who the other 2 are?

When you say these things, are you serious, or do you think you are being clever?

For the record, I have no strong reason to think you are NOT scum, but no strong reason the other way, either. You're sitting at null leaning town.

[jerobbo]

I'm serious. Definitely not clever.

I'm pretty convinced you're one of the scum.

[Amrun]

Even though you think that, I can't believe you can say some of the things you say with a straight face.

[fatlikepig]

When two people are arguing about something that no-one else really cares about - they often get left to their own devices. It makes perfect sense - ever walked into a room where 2 people are arguing and you just go "Awkwaaaard" and try and ignore it.

Mafia doesn't work that way. When two people have an argument, that intrinsically draws attention onto them. If FB and Amrun are calling each other scum, I don't see why town wouldn't care.

Why was it forced? Iso it and read it yourself.

I have read it. Why don't you tell me what bits sound forced?

Never said missing a post or asking for clarification was a scumtell but that post felt like stalling.

Stalling implies that you thought it was scummy.

I'm not making up reasons to vote for Amrun. 1. I'm not even voting for Amrun yet (although I happily would) 2. I've had reasons since my very first post in this game.

The only "reason" that you've had of your own to vote either FB or Amrun is the fact that you think that their argument is forced, and you yourself even admitted that you can't actually find evidence for your claim. That hardly sounds legitimate to me.

The fact that you're not voting Amrun right now doesn't change anything. You could quite easily BW-hop from here.

Lastly, if you think I'm trying to avoid being suspicious...I think you need to read better.

My reading ability is perfectly fine. Your ad hom in lieu of actually addressing the point is noted, though.

[SleepyKrew]

TS why'd you ask me about ZomCom?
Amrun why are you scum?

[bvoigt]

@jerobbo: Would you say you've become more confident in your reads on Amrun and FB in the past few days? If so, why?

[Fruit Basket]

And yeah you're right, my conviction in going after you didn't match my initial replacement post but I felt like we needed to move things forward a bit with the scumhunting and it's definitely done that.

if you think me and amrun are scum why isn't your vote on amrun.

that like makes no sense from the perspective of someone who thinks we're both scum because we're 'scum together'.

[Fruit Basket]

This, also I spent the whole of day 1 talking about C_p, which is ts.

also stop BLATANTLY FUCKING LYING. this isn't remotely close to what you did day 1.

i'll start magnaofillusioning this shit if we're not careful.

[Fruit Basket]

Equinox how is your read-through going

[Fruit Basket]

There is no mislynch wagon and I've had my "own reasons" for suspecting Amrun since, again, my first post in the game. A lot of things I've raised are scummy. Amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy and I'm not the only one who sees that.

if amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy why does it seem most of your analysis of her being scum relies on her argument being fake with me and thus scum with me.

[Morthas]

Day 2 Votecount the Fourth

Amrun

- Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew L-4

Twistedspoon

- bvoigt L-5

jerobbo

- Quilford, ScreamingHawk, L-4

fruit basket

- Amrun, jerobbo L-4

fatlikepig

: - Twistedspoon, pidgey L-4

Not Voting:

- fatlikepig, Equinox


With 11 Alive - 6 to lynch

Day 2 deadline: Sunday, 20th of November

V/LA until Sunday, hopefully less - SleepyKrew

[Morthas]

Quilford has been prodded

[Twistedspoon]

TS why'd you ask me about ZomCom?
Amrun why are you scum?

because i never learned what alignment you were, and any meta helps

[jerobbo]

@jerobbo: Would you say you've become more confident in your reads on Amrun and FB in the past few days? If so, why?

On Amrun, yes - As I mentioned I felt like her earlier reply to me was a classic guilty person trying to sound innocent

There is no mislynch wagon and I've had my "own reasons" for suspecting Amrun since, again, my first post in the game. A lot of things I've raised are scummy. Amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy and I'm not the only one who sees that.

if amrun's conduct as a whole is scummy why does it seem most of your analysis of her being scum relies on her argument being fake with me and thus scum with me.

It was initially based on that, as above I feel her posts since then have given off a guilty vibe

And fatliekpig, the whole thing feels forced to me, theres nothing really to it, just two people bickering for the sake of it.

re: Mafia doesn't work like that - well it does, if you notice nobody really commented on their arguing (with the exception of someone saying it felt like town on town) so there you go. It was working for them.


As for why my vote is still on FB, I want to lynch both of them so it doesn't matter to me which goes first, if people are more comfortable lynching Amrun then that's fine. I'm 99% certain she will flip as scum. And how can I be "BW hopping" when there is no wagon?

Unvote, Vote Amrun

[jerobbo]

It would be nice if there was a wagon now.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm far from convinced amrun is scum personally.

I've said why am not interested in doing so again. Fat is mafiosi.
I'll try and get round to iso'ing him on monday

[Amrun]

On Amrun, yes - As I mentioned I felt like her earlier reply to me was a classic guilty person trying to sound innocent

And once again, no explanation.

PS arguments aren't meant to draw in other people, usually. That doesn't even make sense.

[jerobbo]

On Amrun, yes - As I mentioned I felt like her earlier reply to me was a classic guilty person trying to sound innocent

And once again, no explanation.

PS arguments aren't meant to draw in other people, usually. That doesn't even make sense.

And once again, I already explained it earlier.

Arguments aren't meant to draw in other people? What's that relating to? Uhh I never said arguments draw other people in...I said arguments often mean people get left to it.