Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[Nobody Special]

EBWOP: We still have 8 days; activity is picking up; I want to be more sure before we end Day One.

[Whiskers]

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE.

You had infinite days to "be more sure." Fuck the whole game. KJ and FM

do

look bad. That's where I'll turn if neither of you turn up scum


KJ, where is Chritine "just flailing"?

[Robotnick2]

Feel free to elaborate

Feel free to elaborate on your FM not-case.

[killerjester]

@Whiskers, it felt like flailing when she OMGUS'd both NS and myself for voting her, when just recently on page 40 NS worked with bvoigt to put FM and Robotnick at L-1. Now that she's close to being lynched it feels like she just grasping for straws to make scum connections with FM, who isn't scum.

@Robotnick, which parts were difficult to understand? I thought it was pretty straightforward. I can't see a player who would reasonably be a partner with FM. This suggests that FM has no partners, and isn't scum.

[Whiskers]

with NS's unvote, they should be at 3V a piece, right? L-2?

unvote, unvote

.

KJ, unvote, revote. I'll revote the correct wagons. They'll be back up to L-4 with NS as the hammer.

[killerjester]

UNVOTE: VM
VOTE: Robotnick

I'm not ready for anyone to hammer though. I still want Robotnick to elaborate on why he agrees with Christine.

[Whiskers]

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 3 (killerjester, Friend Mairsil, bvoigt)
Robotnick2 - 3 (bvoigt, Christine, killerjester)
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)

Christine: I would prefer a friend lynch over you, of course, but KJ's refusal to lynch Friend got in the way of that.

FASCINATING.

Vote;
Robotnick2, also,
Christine

I just can't wait to see the flips, is all.

[Whiskers]

Actually, I take that back.

Unvote, unvote

I can't take botched hammers. I can't take another two days, even if we get obvscum from the hammer, I can't take another two days like this one.

[Nobody Special]

Welcome to mafia.

[Voidedmafia]

Christine - 3 (killerjester, Friend Mairsil, bvoigt)
Robotnick2 - 3 (bvoigt, Christine, killerjester)
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)

Can we get a more official VC sometime soon, please, ThAd?[/i]

Whiskers: uh, what's fascinating? I've been rooting for the FM lynch for some time.

[Whiskers]

Okay.

I had been too.

What your case on her, by the way?

seconding request for real VC.
requesting prod on FM, since we are (likely) letting her die another day.

[Robotnick2]

FM I have already stated my case for. Nothing has changed.

You, KJ, I find scum for your reasoning on the FM case. I can easily read you as partnered with FM, as well as VM and (to an extent), NS.
You seem to be basing most of your reads from PoE. Thus, if FM flips scum, that upsets most of your reads.
So, here's a question for you.

What criteria do you personally use when you decide that someone is not scum with another person?

[Whiskers]

Where is it? Your case for FM? link it to me. Since you're the one that made it, you'll be able to find it most easily.

[Robotnick2]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3491139

[bvoigt]

Robotnick, what have you thought of Friend's posting since then?

Also, shameless plug: I have a 17-player Large Normal taking signups, if anyone would like to join.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote count

Voidedmafia
Christine - 3 (killerjester, Friend Mairsil, bvoigt)
Robotnick2 - 3 (bvoigt, Christine, killerjester)
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)
bvoigt
Nobody Special

Not voting - Robotnick2, Whiskers, Nobody Special, Voidedmafia

Christine is -2
Robotnick2 is -2

Deadline in (expired on 2011-11-22 07:45:00)

[Whiskers]

Killerjester, you were for a Christine-lynch.

That wagon has also had no resistance, iirc. Right?
Isn't that a towntell?

[Whiskers]

Nevermind, Nopony Special and Rainbowdash both defended her.

In other news, I found this!

Ouch-- that's just sugar-coating that you don't think I'm town (in ANY of our games) and that you don't like me.

Mine was an insult to your playstyle, is all. You seem to care about the general opinion, but you don't care much about a player's individual reads/opinion.

killerjester, we're lynching Frind Maresil because I think h's scum and there's enough support that we can lynch her. I've had my eye on her since Day 1.
e're lynching Crhistine becauseshe was stoopid and quickhammered-- sorry, because she was negligent and quickhammered. If you think that Christie is scum, but not Friend, by all means, make a case. I have been known to be convincable. But I think that at least one of them will flip scum.

When it's Friend, and not Christine, I'm going to be gunning for your ass.

Just pointing out the part where you defended Friend (resistance to her wagon)
Ah, there's something between you being very good and you being a very carefully-planning scum.

[Whiskers]

in b4 I'm nightkilled and kj pushes a lynch on FM ftw.

[killerjester]

What criteria do you personally use when you decide that someone is not scum with another person?

Well, generally my townreads get benefit of the doubt, and I don't see them as scum with anyone. This removed Whiskers and bvoigt from the pool of FM/X. Christine I eliminated because she seemed a little too comfortable with a Christine/FM double-lynch (I used this same criteria with AVox and nintendo, and cleared AVox when nintendo flipped scum). NS I eliminated from favoring an FM lynch over Christine lynch one too many times. His play on page 40/early 41 is a good example of this, when he had the opportunity to control the direction of the wagon and chose to lynch FM.

So it's either FM is scum and his partner is either Robotnick or VM, or FM isn't scum. The latter seemed a more likely possibility.

@Whiskers, if there was something you wanted me to answer, I missed it.

[Christine]

Unvote: Robot, Vote: KJ

If I am going to be lynched, I am at least going out voting the scum team.

[Whiskers]

You weren't voting the scumteam before?

[Robotnick2]

So wait. You openly admit, and indeed act upon, your belief that VM is mafia, yes? And yet the possibility that VM and FM are scum together is a less likely possibility than FM being mafia?

[Christine]

I thought that Robot was scum at the time that I voted for him, but I can no longer ignore my nagging suspicions about KJ. I was willing before to vote as the group wanted, but forget that. KJ and FM are mafia. And that's how I am voting.

[Whiskers]

Wait wait, what happened to being willing to lynch yourself?