Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[MattP]

Also, I have very little read on Bogre. He is barely contributing to the round. If anything I think there are bigger and louder fish to fry right now. I'd put him more towards scum than town however due to general stalkitude and slight buddying with me. That's really all I have right now to base my read off of.

[Nero Cain]

First, a correction on one of my last posts. Vezok DID somewhat respond to the allegations from me and EC.

Why is Agar so low on your list Nero?

What makes vociferously targeting a player that you think is town such a town read?

b/c I don't suspect Agar. Is there a reason that I should? Don't get the bolded question.

Borge was (and still is) listed as a possible lurker scum. I don't remember anything "scummy" from him. I'm going to reread him and everyone else.

vote:EC

[Wraith]

No flavor this votecount, dealing with some very frustrating school-related bullshit that's leaving me exhausted.

Votecount 6.1

Magua

(3)

:

MacDougall,

MattP

, EtherealCookie, AGar

EtherealCookie

(2)

:

Bogre, Nero Cain

AGar

(1)

:

MattP

Nero Cain

(1)

:

vezokpiraka

MattP

(1)

:

kdowns

Bogre

(1)

:

Magua

vezokpiraka

(0)

:

Nero Cain

Not Voting

(0)

:

With 9 alive it takes

5

to lynch.

Deadline for this day is

November 21, 2011

Magua

stands at

L-2

[MacDougall]

First, a correction on one of my last posts. Vezok DID somewhat respond to the allegations from me and EC.

Why is Agar so low on your list Nero?

What makes vociferously targeting a player that you think is town such a town read?

b/c I don't suspect Agar. Is there a reason that I should? Don't get the bolded question.

Borge was (and still is) listed as a possible lurker scum. I don't remember anything "scummy" from him. I'm going to reread him and everyone else.

vote:EC

The reason I ask is because that is the only thing Agar has really done. So you are basing your town read on him on that, because that's all he has done.

[MacDougall]

UNVOTE: Magua
VOTE: kdowns

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Magua
VOTE: kdowns

Mac

Do you think kdowns was lying about shooting SK?

Do you think the mafia was given an extra Night Kill?

[MacDougall]

Do you recall that he was killed before we realised there were two scum teams?

[Magua]

Do you recall that he was killed before we realised there were two scum teams?

First, I fail to see how that makes any difference at all in the questions I asked.

Second, the scum undoubtedly knew the moment they saw their role PMs that there were two teams (due to team size for a 25 player game). Probably even moreso now because having a traitor for each team means a smaller starting team.

[MacDougall]

Are you serious? You need to go back and read the part where he revealed it again.

People were trying to work out whether SleepyKrew was the scum kill OR something else. Because there were two kills. Nobody back then considered that they were two separate scum kills. Kdowns claims that SK was his vig kill, and rides the easy train to confirmed townville.

[Magua]

Er.

There were *3* kills: gandalf, SleepyKrew, and JDGA.

So. Where did the extra kill come from? Back to my original questions. Do you think kdowns is lying about shooting SleepyKrew, and, do you think that one of the mafia was given an additional 1-shot kill?

[MacDougall]

I think that kdowns killed SleepyKrew but is scum. I think that gandalf or JDGA died for another reason. Maybe they targeted a PGO or there is a SK? I dunno, I just don't trust kdowns at all anymore. A confirmed townie doesn't play like him. Why are you so defensive of him?

[Magua]

I think that kdowns killed SleepyKrew but is scum. I think that gandalf or JDGA died for another reason. Maybe they targeted a PGO or there is a SK?

No SK. This is D6, there's been no additional kills since N1. PGO? Maybe. More plausible than SK. But still, it's D6 without any additional kills since then. Very unlikely. And I don't think Wraith would have a PGO to begin with. So.

I dunno, I just don't trust kdowns at all anymore. A confirmed townie doesn't play like him. Why are you so defensive of him?

His being confirmed town or not has nothing to do with his play.

I am defensive about him for the same reason I'm defensive about you. I don't want town lynched. You're town. kdowns is 99.99% town.

[kdowns]

UNVOTE:

Mac, I don't know if that was intentionally but how could JDGA have died anyways EVEN if there was a PGO because he was a VT, also Gandalf is a Watcher/Guardian, I believe that was a Random Scum Kill because if there was a PGO there certainly would of been another kill somewhere else during the night phases.

[MacDougall]

Kdowns if you're town start making reads.

[MacDougall]

Nice reads kdowns.

[AGar]

Am I scum with Macdougall? If so, why do you think Macdougall is bussing me instead of me bussing him?If not, why do you think I'm defending Macdougall?

Likelihood of you being scum with Macdougall doesn't matter.

You've been playing in a manner that I've found suspect since either D3 or 4 now. Your attacks have been contrived and you've been "sure" of all sorts of wrong reads while defending players without logistical cause. Claiming to be able to read new players is not a logical reason to out and out defend someone while ignoring the actual points being brought up against someone.

@MattP

If you find me to be scummy, then so be it. But right now, town is likely in a 5:2:2 scenario, and I can 100% guarantee that you are not lynching me today. With absolute certainty to the fullest extent. So right now, I'd suggest focusing on finding another lynch.

My lynchpool is {Magua, EC, Mac}

I'd be shocked if we lynched any less than 2 scum out of those three. Mac has been outlined a million and one times. Magua has his consistent shady play with reasonings behind everything that have seemed extremely contrived, including some severe unexplicable frustration when his lynch-of-choice in Andrius stalls out at one point yesterday. EC has set this game on lol-control and basically just poked in on what he thinks he can fly by on.

Vezok has been completely and utterly disengaged from this game to the point of him actually playing against his wincon right now if he's scum. NC has been a consistently positive read I've had thus far in the game, one of the few I haven't had any wavering feelings on. Kdowns is 99.99999999% conf-town. Bogre and MattP have been conclusively wild-card reads for me, which concerns me, but I'd rather take a shot at a read I have confidence in - an EC, Magua or Mac - rather than one of these two right now.

[Magua]

You've been playing in a manner that I've found suspect since either D3 or 4 now. Your attacks have been contrived and you've been "sure" of all sorts of wrong reads while defending players without logistical cause. Claiming to be able to read new players is not a logical reason to out and out defend someone while ignoring the actual points being brought up against someone.

Yes, I've been sure of wrong reads. Shit happens. I'm really sorry to Andrius, but that's about it. I was right on Empking and manho, and I was right on Peregrine until the entire town started derping on MacDougall which made him look better in comparison.

Likelihood of you being scum with Macdougall doesn't matter.

That's complete bullshit, and is a symptom of you not bothering to think these things through. Even your grouping of (Magua, EtherealCookie, MacDougall) reads like you picking three names out of a hat, and is already prepping for "Magua flips town, need to go after the next target."

[AGar]

That's complete bullshit, and is a symptom of you not bothering to think these things through. Even your grouping of (Magua, EtherealCookie, MacDougall) reads like you picking three names out of a hat, and is already prepping for "Magua flips town, need to go after the next target."

Why do your interactions with an unflipped player matter if your isolated actions read as scum-motivated?

[Magua]

If I'm scum, why am I defending MacDougall as town? What is my motivation?

[kdowns]

Nice reads kdowns.

Being a little impatient there aren't you?

[MacDougall]

8 hours is impatient?

Nice contribution though. Where are these reads?

[Magua]

Need more posting from Bogre, EtherealCookie, vezokpiraka

[vezokpiraka]

Need more posting from Bogre, EtherealCookie, vezokpiraka

What do you need? I made my stance clear.

[Magua]

Your stance is that you were roleblocked last Night and that Nero Cain roleblocked you.

Got that part.

But what makes Nero Cain the roleblocker?

Who else besides Nero is mafia?

[vezokpiraka]

Your stance is that you were roleblocked last Night and that Nero Cain roleblocked you.

Got that part.

But what makes Nero Cain the roleblocker?

Who else besides Nero is mafia?

Nero came out of the gates with a vote on me.