NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[ZeL1nK]

how many votes does sorgster have?

[Revenus]

i'd rather lynch pine or theamatuer over sorgster at this point.

theama was terrible in my first game with him, and this game he is *too good*. It looks like he knows everyone's alignment in every post.

And wtf is this retarded two scum team crap. I'll believe it when I see people flip two different scum teams.

[ThAdmiral]

I've decided I'm willing to settle for a theamateur lynch if needs be.

*shrug*

I'm cool with a sorg lynch, too. His posts get worse and worse and I have very little tolerance left.

We are in accord.

[ThAdmiral]

@ sorgster: I haven't always agreed with revenus, but I think his play has often seemed like frustrated town to me. I mentioned this in 456 (but it's buried in the middle so you may have overlooked it).

[theamatuer]

i'd rather lynch pine or theamatuer over sorgster at this point.

theama was terrible in my first game with him, and this game he is *too good*. It looks like he knows everyone's alignment in every post.

And wtf is this retarded two scum team crap. I'll believe it when I see people flip two different scum teams.

I said specifically that that game was crap and not how I play normally, so STFU.
and I play like everyone is town unless I feel like a person is scum, in which I treat that person as scum.

[vijay2vasandani]

I'm all for killing lurkers, except me. funky is a viable lynch. I just wanted to know why he sprung up again.

Right. Very nice. The difference is if you are town but don't give anything to town, self-preservation is bad because you just get stuck at null and when it goes down to the wire you just become a red herring.

i'd rather lynch pine or theamatuer over sorgster at this point.

theama was terrible in my first game with him, and this game he is *too good*. It looks like he knows everyone's alignment in every post.

And wtf is this retarded two scum team crap. I'll believe it when I see people flip two different scum teams.

I said specifically that that game was crap and not how I play normally, so STFU.
and I play like everyone is town unless I feel like a person is scum, in which I treat that person as scum.

What? Everybody is town unless you think he's scum? If you said null, fine but town? You just sound like you don't want to be abrasive.

I'm thinking theam or rev. I'm fairly convinced that at least one has to be scum.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm thinking theam or rev. I'm fairly convinced that at least one has to be scum.

Yet you're voting funky...
Classic vijay.

[iamausername]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

[funkybike1]

I agree, we should lynch someone who's actually scummy.

Mod: Votecount?

[ZeL1nK]

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

Um, no.

It's actually really, really likely that it

was

a scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.

Put two and two together, it's something he'd think

as mafia

who doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").

What do you think of sorg's play independent of this?

You should do something useful.

I agree, we should lynch someone who's actually scummy.

So

why are you voting Revenus, then?

[vijay2vasandani]

I'm thinking theam or rev. I'm fairly convinced that at least one has to be scum.

Yet you're voting funky...
Classic vijay.

Really? O.o

Pretty sure I'm voting Rev. I remember, you even put it down when you made that joke about who is number 3, 4 and 5 on the wagon.

[iamausername]

It's actually really, really likely that it was a scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.

Put two and two together, it's something he'd think as mafia who doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").

I don't understand the scumslip here.

Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?

[vijay2vasandani]

It's actually really, really likely that it was a scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.

Put two and two together, it's something he'd think as mafia who doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").

I don't understand the scumslip here.

Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?

I think its because sorgster assumed the other guy (rev) was a werewolf. That would infer that sorgster saw himself as mafia, because IF he was town he would have questioned if rev was mafia, because mafia is the far more common form of scum. Well that's sort of what I gathered anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.

[ZeL1nK]

I don't understand the scumslip here.

Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?

You're confusing something here...

The following is all from the perspective he's scum in a 2-scum team game...



Sorg-scum is mafia. His team is most likely him + 2 others (given what he's done with speculating on team scum teams so far). He

knows

there's another scum team because his team is too small for it to be a single scum team in a 22-player large theme game.

So he sees the two nks, sees Pine speculating about 2 scum teams, and decides, "hey, others are speculating on it, I will fit in and no one will suspect me!"

He's a bit of a [series of words that will get me modkilled] and thinks that since he's mafia, the other scum team must be werewolves.



Basically, everything he's done today (from his scum teams speculation to the werewolf thing) make sense from the perspective he's scum. The two nks has nothing to do with this.

That said, I could also see it making sense from the perspective he's really, really, really, really, reallllllllllllllly bad at this game... and it is sorgster... so I'm not going to suggest he

must

be scum because of it.

[ZeL1nK]

btw, if it wasn't already clear, the main reason I think sorg could be scum (apart from his horrible play so far) is the fact he keeps speculating on 2 scum teams of 3 players each time he gives his scum reads...

[popsofctown]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

I think you're reconstructing it quite wrong. townSorgster a) shouldn't care all that much how many scumteams there are and should just lynch scum, b) would use the opening post or even reading the flipping thread to see what his other townies had to say to deduce how many scumteams there are if he's curious. (Pine quoted the relevant chunk of the OP right off the bat at the start of D2, about when sorg should have been curious.)

scumSorgster does care how many scumteams there are, and gets his information about it from the size of his scumteam and/or the comments of his (in all likelihood, lurky) partners. Who probably said, "yeah we're Mean Guys mafia there's probably another scumteam, who should we shoot", so sorgster thinks "oh let's hunt wolves", as opposed to the daytime source of info, which is Pine saying, "hey guys the OP has been

editted

to reflect that it is

almost definitely

a two scum game due to

flavor involving two human factions in a turf war

.

unvote, vote: sorgster

Even the N1 kill flavor involves two guns.

[DarthYoshi]

A fresh vote count will go up tonight when i get home from work.

[Beck]

vote: Sorg

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

Why am I being misrepped here? I gave possibility for

both mafia and werewolf

and stated afterwards why I said this. I've explained why I believe werewolves and mafia if there are 2 scumteams.

@zelink, rev has a completely different play style going into day 2 and was pretty scummy to me day 1. I know that's a scum tell. Also, ThAD and rev are working together if rev flips scum because thAd was trying to deflect the attention away from revenus onto lurkers and whoever else. I even made a post earlier about wheter thAD and slandaar were town on scum or town on town.

[sorgster]

I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.

By the way, scum must be jumping in joy over how incompetent or uncaring 95% of the players are this game. Seriously, all they have to do is kill Pine, me, Slandaar, and sorgster and then ride Beck's impulsive no-content spam posting to victory. Everyone I didn't name, fucking step it up.

Chill out dude. This game is actually quite active. Remember: it's still early days and there's a long way to go.

Oh and sword of omens is probably scum. His first post going "oh hey zdenek glad to see you made it " is actually a huge scumtell.

How?

When I get to a pc, I'll explain why you are scum.

I've already explained why pine is scum

I'm sick and tired of people saying they are ignoring me, I'm making good points, I should not be ignored.

I'm not saying the game revolves around me, but when good points are being made they shouldnt be ignored.

I'm not going to get in to whether your points are bad or not, but you are being ignored by people because you keep hammering the same thing over and over and over again. It's not helpful for anyone else to read over the same stuff a bunch of times.

Also you are getting caught up in "right" and "wrong". This is a game where subjectivity plays a huge part. Unless you're scum you can't know the alignment of others and therefore can never truly be right and wrong. For example your case on pine is fine, it uses logic and is not invalid in any way - but I disagree with it because I believe pine is town.

I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.

You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?

I think the emotion he's displaying is rubbing his hands with glee as he watches the lunatic distracting everybody's attention by shitting himself all over the thread. If that counts as an emotion.

Take out the first and last sentence and I could maybe see that post coming from frustrated town, but as is, no.

I see where you are coming from but a lot of his other posts scream frustrated town to me. I honestly don't see scum playing it up to that extent. Your thoughts?

He's pretty much only talked about mafia theory for one. Plus he's wrong.

That's funny. So have you. We have a difference of game theory, big deal. As for my lack of activity, well, I try to post at least once a day. These big games move a lot faster than I am accustomed to.

Ok.

Anyway, I don't mind Revenus' play lately.

Unvote: Revenus

Vote: Funkybike1

He won't even explain his votes.

What is it that you don't mind about revenus' play?

I don't see anything about you saying rev is town here thAd

[Beck]

So I'm thinking

TheAd/Rev

And

Pine/sorg

With theAmateur somewhere in there too.

Sounds right, GG Jamz

[sorgster]

So beck, can you explain why you are voting me? You agree with me on thAd/rev. Is it about the misrepping?

[Beck]

I beleive I have already said why I'm suspicious of you. Go read my iso

[theamatuer]

*599 posts

[Beck]

600