NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Maxous]

Oh, god damit.

Spoiler:

@ Beck

An iso of soda shows 19 posts in this nearly 2000 post behemoth. For sheer lack of scum hunting on his part, I'm jumping the wagon. Plus, it wouldn't be fair to anyone else to /replace in to the madness that is a majority of this thread.

Noob 1170 ftw

Come jump the Soda wagon with me bro.

VOTE: Soda

Look at the reason he votes Soda, flaking. Not fair to replace in. Would'nt be as much of a problem if he named anyone as scum.
And Soda was one of the leading wagons, if not the leading one.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

UNVOTE: Soda
VOTE: Slandaar

Let's just quote that again.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

Soda vote was for no reason. He voted Soda when Soda was a viable lynch coming near the end of the day.

I think it's sarcasm but to hell with it.

Let's just get to D2 and figure this mess out.

VOTE: Slandaar

Easy mislynch hooo!

Sorry for not posting in a while, my macbook just got jacked... Posting from my phone/roomates.computer till the build is updated. I feel as if Pines posts are manipulative. Ill elaborate further when I get to a desktop, but I first started watching him closer after I saw Faraday's "leaning scum" suspicion.

VOTE: Pine for your Day 1 % of total thread post, using numbers to manipulate the town. Its the scummiest thing ive seen so far.

Beck is still the towniest of the town.

Pine is scum because of numbers manipulation.

Notice how TheAm follows up my Pine vote

btw I support a Pine lynch to some degree. He's around null-scum for me

This is incredibly opportunistic.

What started up as a prod-dodge vote from my phone ended up illuminating some things for me.

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: theamatuer

I remember having a lolgif about this.

Town

bvoigt
Pops
Beck
Pine
Max
Vel

LurkTown

Sorgster - This read comes from my meta on him. He's just kind of lurky in general.
ScreamingHawk - I read his iso as "busy town" which sucks, as it doesn't help us scumhunt.
SV - although I hate his play, he seems "too busy with work" to be scum.
IAAUN - Currently reading through everything...

Null

Vijay

theam

Lurconis
Zelink

Scum

Zdenek - For his vote cases against anyone and everyone... He attacked me as soon as D2 started, then came out against pops. This post is an example where he leaves out important information from a quote. Notice how Pops concedes that vijay is playing better, and this is why he was off target.
Revenus - For his surprising ability to disappear as soon as D2 started.

LurkScum

Funky
Sky
TheAd

Voting the null read. Funky was a viable wagon at this point.

theam's iso was cringeworthy. I definitely see a pattern of

passive-aggressive endorsement of town wagons

... I'm sorry bro, but I hope you know that in my mind, all of your posts are narrated by Neo.

Bgradescumcop?

Alert, theamateur is exclusively voting and suspecting 2 of vel's scum reads.

And really sorgster?

"I don't get Vel's scumslip" /vote Vel...

Lol.

Not reading.

This is mafia.

There will be wagons.

I feel as if some of the people being targeted are town.

I feel that scum are pushing those wagons.

I feel that theam is one of those scum.

Pine your attack of me is opportunistic. IGMEOY

Theam is only pushing wagons of Vel's scum reads, alert.

[funkybike1]

Theam, you seem to be a blind follower here. What is your reasoning? (See the above post)

[Beck]

Oh, god damit.

Spoiler:

@ Beck

An iso of soda shows 19 posts in this nearly 2000 post behemoth. For sheer lack of scum hunting on his part, I'm jumping the wagon. Plus, it wouldn't be fair to anyone else to /replace in to the madness that is a majority of this thread.

Noob 1170 ftw

Come jump the Soda wagon with me bro.

VOTE: Soda

Look at the reason he votes Soda, flaking. Not fair to replace in. Would'nt be as much of a problem if he named anyone as scum.
And Soda was one of the leading wagons, if not the leading one.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

UNVOTE: Soda
VOTE: Slandaar

Let's just quote that again.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

Soda vote was for no reason. He voted Soda when Soda was a viable lynch coming near the end of the day.

I think it's sarcasm but to hell with it.

Let's just get to D2 and figure this mess out.

VOTE: Slandaar

Easy mislynch hooo!

Sorry for not posting in a while, my macbook just got jacked... Posting from my phone/roomates.computer till the build is updated. I feel as if Pines posts are manipulative. Ill elaborate further when I get to a desktop, but I first started watching him closer after I saw Faraday's "leaning scum" suspicion.

VOTE: Pine for your Day 1 % of total thread post, using numbers to manipulate the town. Its the scummiest thing ive seen so far.

Beck is still the towniest of the town.

Pine is scum because of numbers manipulation.

Notice how TheAm follows up my Pine vote

btw I support a Pine lynch to some degree. He's around null-scum for me

This is incredibly opportunistic.

What started up as a prod-dodge vote from my phone ended up illuminating some things for me.

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: theamatuer

I remember having a lolgif about this.

Town

bvoigt
Pops
Beck
Pine
Max
Vel

LurkTown

Sorgster - This read comes from my meta on him. He's just kind of lurky in general.
ScreamingHawk - I read his iso as "busy town" which sucks, as it doesn't help us scumhunt.
SV - although I hate his play, he seems "too busy with work" to be scum.
IAAUN - Currently reading through everything...

Null

Vijay

theam

Lurconis
Zelink

Scum

Zdenek - For his vote cases against anyone and everyone... He attacked me as soon as D2 started, then came out against pops. This post is an example where he leaves out important information from a quote. Notice how Pops concedes that vijay is playing better, and this is why he was off target.
Revenus - For his surprising ability to disappear as soon as D2 started.

LurkScum

Funky
Sky
TheAd

Voting the null read. Funky was a viable wagon at this point.

theam's iso was cringeworthy. I definitely see a pattern of

passive-aggressive endorsement of town wagons

... I'm sorry bro, but I hope you know that in my mind, all of your posts are narrated by Neo.

Bgradescumcop?

Alert, theamateur is exclusively voting and suspecting 2 of vel's scum reads.

And really sorgster?

"I don't get Vel's scumslip" /vote Vel...

Lol.

Not reading.

This is mafia.

There will be wagons.

I feel as if some of the people being targeted are town.

I feel that scum are pushing those wagons.

I feel that theam is one of those scum.

Pine your attack of me is opportunistic. IGMEOY

Theam is only pushing wagons of Vel's scum reads, alert.

This post is so fucking win!

[Beck]

I realized I went back to rev

vote Vel

[Revenus]

back from iso-land, there's definitely a connection between pops and Zdenek. If one flips scum, I'll vote the other, and I would join a pops wagon today.

You're going to have to be more specific than this.

[Revenus]

Vel is fine, but theam is better

[Beck]

back from iso-land, there's definitely a connection between pops and Zdenek. If one flips scum, I'll vote the other, and I would join a pops wagon today.

You're going to have to be more specific than this.

You could read their iso's and see if he makes sense, just sayin

[smargaret]

*she, not he.

And I'm putting it together, but the gist of it is that the two of them vote each other but don't really push it - the timing of their votes are when there's no serious danger of a lynch, and they too-often vote the same people.

[Beck]

Ok, now thoughts on that post about Vel?

[smargaret]

Beck, the post on Vel was a collection of a lot of the things that struck me as off in his iso. I agree with it, I'm voting Vel, it looks like that's where the lynch is headed today, and all I could really say is QFT.

As far as pops/zdenek, if you read their isos, there's an awful lot of "OMG vote Pops!" "Why aren't people lynching obvscum Zdenek?" and not a lot of "Pops/zdenek is scum and here's why". That sort of statement without justification when there's no real danger of a lynch going through is classic distancing. Then, when they do provide reads on other people - like tham, and Pine - they agree. They don't vote together, but they agree on a scum list. I'm not going to Quote Wall of China, but if you read their isos together, it's there.

[bvoigt]

@Revenus: You said that you've played with TheAm before, and he was horrible. Did he say things such as "I'll hammer a town read" in that game?

[theamatuer]

@Revenus: You said that you've played with TheAm before, and he was horrible. Did he say things such as "I'll hammer a town read" in that game?

I meant that I'd vote him if the timeline is up, we need a lynch, and Rev is still the highest wagon, i'd vote him since a lynch is still better than nothing.

[DrippingGoofball]

This is a no-brainer, not a 50-page saga.

VOTE: Velzanath

Maxous is town.

[popsofctown]

So pops, you aren't willing to vote your scumread because he doesn't have a wagon, but instead of trying to build a wagon on your scumread, you vote your VI read (who there isn't really that much support for lynching, and most of it comes from your scumread).

You're being frustrating because you keep coming off like you're just not paying attention. tham is tucked away in a million FoS's, and I did a thorough job of pushing zdenek wagon day 1 to no avail.

@ Pine - Sorry, i probably could have formatted labelled better. But I don't have very much sympathy for anyone who can read the entirety of that post and think you wrote it.

[DrippingGoofball]

pops, vote for amatuer tomorrow.

[smargaret]

Pushing a wagon means filling in the blank: "Player X is scummy because _______." Pushing a wagon is not "Why isn't anyone voting Player X? Player X is obvscum and people not voting for Player X are stupid."

This is your position on Tham at the beginning of Day 2:

Pine has interacted with nearly every player in the game, so flips of other players gives lots of information about his slot. Lynching a less active player is a better way to maximize information, since later flips aren't going to tell us much more about them.

My preferred lynch is

vote: zdenek

, he's seemed really opportunistic today, and all the day 1 stuff is still there.

vijay is still a cool lynch, although I hate to admit his day 2 play is an improvement. Actually, probably not good enough for a lynch anymore.

sorgster is pretty scummy. it's a combination of gut and him seeming to take an unnatural view of every situation, it reads like newbscum.

thamlynch is super lame

and makes Pine look bad. I don't expect it to maintain steam, though.

This is the next time you mention Tham:

unvote whatever I'm voting, vote thamatuer

Revenus is very townish. Velzanath has a lesser town vibe, but more importantly,

was attacked by zdenek scum

and it didn't look at all like bussing.

Thamatuer is very VIish and antitown every post he makes. I was hoping he would be one of those readable VIs, but not really, either he freewagons so much because he's scum aligned, or he has such an antitown way of playing mafia I'll probably never her read him. (this is a dichotomy I see a lot, I need a word for it)

Please look at the participation on the Revenus wagon and abandon that lynch. I'll sleep at night if you lynch velz, but for Revenus, no.

Also, velz has claimed VT, Revenus has not, JUST SAYIN.

VI and antitown isn't necessarily scum. VI and antitown is vigbait. Also, Zdenek -

the guy you are so 100% positive is scum

is voting Tham. This is apparently enough to clear Velz; why the double standard?

[sorgster]

Pushing a wagon means filling in the blank: "Player X is scummy because _______." Pushing a wagon is not "Why isn't anyone voting Player X? Player X is obvscum and people not voting for Player X are stupid."

This is your position on Tham at the beginning of Day 2:

Pine has interacted with nearly every player in the game, so flips of other players gives lots of information about his slot. Lynching a less active player is a better way to maximize information, since later flips aren't going to tell us much more about them.

My preferred lynch is

vote: zdenek

, he's seemed really opportunistic today, and all the day 1 stuff is still there.

vijay is still a cool lynch, although I hate to admit his day 2 play is an improvement. Actually, probably not good enough for a lynch anymore.

sorgster is pretty scummy. it's a combination of gut and him seeming to take an unnatural view of every situation, it reads like newbscum.

thamlynch is super lame

and makes Pine look bad

. I don't expect it to maintain steam, though.

This is the next time you mention Tham:

unvote whatever I'm voting, vote thamatuer

Revenus is very townish. Velzanath has a lesser town vibe, but more importantly,

was attacked by zdenek scum

and it didn't look at all like bussing.

Thamatuer is very VIish and antitown every post he makes. I was hoping he would be one of those readable VIs, but not really, either he freewagons so much because he's scum aligned, or he has such an antitown way of playing mafia I'll probably never her read him. (this is a dichotomy I see a lot, I need a word for it)

Please look at the participation on the Revenus wagon and abandon that lynch. I'll sleep at night if you lynch velz, but for Revenus, no.

Also, velz has claimed VT, Revenus has not, JUST SAYIN.

VI and antitown isn't necessarily scum. VI and antitown is vigbait. Also, Zdenek -

the guy you are so 100% positive is scum

is voting Tham. This is apparently enough to clear Velz; why the double standard?

I just read over that and found the part tha should be huge now. That's seems like popos and pine are working together.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:

Unvote Vel
Vote Popos

[Velazanth]

I stand by both my vote and my claim.

[Beck]

EBWOP:

Unvote Vel
Vote Popos

Stay on track. Vel is the best lynch today, let's not start a third wagon. Vel is caught scum.

[Beck]

I stand by both my vote and my claim.

Is that your defense?

[popsofctown]

unvote tham

it is a double standard. I didn't notice zden was on the wagon.

pine's case on tham was bad, but my own appraisal of his d1 activity puts him at a festering null. I was referring to a wagon, not the player. The resurgence has better reasoning.

We can consensus lynch Velz. He has claimed VT. And it does tell us things about Pine and zdenek.

But most importantly, when in doubt, sheep DGB.

Vote: Velz

[Zdenek]

The Sorgster werewolf slip is stupid. There' no way that makes him likely scum.

Pine is still definitely scum.

I just find 3 v 3 more likely. At 4 v 4, it starts to favor anti-Town a bit, and at 5 v 5 it's just straight up unfair. 2 v 2 is strongly Town-sided, so 3 v 3 is a pretty good number. Yeah, it tries to outguess the mod a bit, but I tend to do that.

My speculation had nothing to do with the night kills at first, it stems from the fact that chk added flavor some time between the start of the game and the start of Day Two. I noticed it, saw a glaring reference to two gangs, and suddenly the number of probable scum jumped from 4-6ish to upwards of nine or ten possible scum.

Now he's fear mongering about something that he doesn't even believe. Can we please lynch pine tomorrow?

I think the Velz slip is legit.

Vote Velz

[Pine]

Now he's fear mongering about something that he doesn't even believe.

Where are you pulling this bullshit from? The OP flavor suggests two scumteams, the night kill flavor corroborates, and Sorgster's slip supports it. If there are two teams, we need to be aware of that and notice associations accordingly. Ignoring the possibility can lead to creating false associative Townreads, which subconsciously persist when we confirm a two-team system. That's the opposite of fear mongering, it's wise and cautious planning. And I'll thank you not to say I don't believe what I'm saying.

[Zdenek]

Just to make it clear to everyone the issue is the number of scum pine was predicting.