Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[pidgey]

Nice analizis

[bvoigt]

@BV: your two red quotes don't hold water. the first could apply to half the playerlist at thyat time and the second is no reason at all that "a post gives you bad vibes" that's really no excuse at all. what does that even mean?

A lack of content is a scumtell for NS. He is more helpful as town than he is as scum. From what I know about DonJosh, C_P, kondi, trekker, and Quilford, I could not say the same thing about any of them. Gut in regards to a specific post is as valid a reason as any.

UNVOTE: jerobbo
VOTE: SleepyKrew

I got my fist, I got my plan, I got survivalism.

[bvoigt]

Here are the points against me, and my responses to them.

No interactions with fatlikepig: This is not reliable unless flp flips scum. And I've also had limited interactions with Equinox, pidgey, and probably some others.

Wagoned with limited reasoning: When a wagon started growing on NS, I did an ISO read and found that he lacked content. This is a meta-based scumtell for NS. For most other players, such as kondi, no content is simply their style regardless of alignment. Due to that low amount of content, there was little I could bring up from his posts that hadn't been said already.

[J] suspected me: I was planning to vote [J] on Day 2, IIRC. So if I was scum, she was my main mislynch target, and I would not have killed her. I know this is WIFOM, but it makes perfect sense from my eyes.

Bad case on jerobbo: I'll just link you and let you form your own opinion.

If there are any points I've missed, let me know and I will respond to them.

[bvoigt]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not as convinced about my scumreads as I sometimes am. But here they are, starting with the strongest read:

jerobbo- for his change in style from caution to overzealousness.

Twistedspoon- for C_P's play mainly, but also in the way he's pushed my case. He's ignored towntells (such as the [J] kill) and misconstrued reasonable responses (such as my reasons for voting NS).

Quilford- for his change from voting me to having me as a townread.

[Twistedspoon]

A lack of content is a scumtell for NS. He is more helpful as town than he is as scum.

evidently this is wrong

To be perfectly honest, I'm not as convinced about my scumreads as I sometimes am. But here they are, starting with the strongest read:

jerobbo- for his change in style from caution to overzealousness.

Twistedspoon- for C_P's play mainly, but also in the way he's pushed my case. He's ignored towntells (such as the [J] kill) and misconstrued reasonable responses (such as my reasons for voting NS).

Quilford- for his change from voting me to having me as a townread.

not seeing SK in this list. Are you only voting him for pure self-preservation :/
it'd work I guess should SK flip town so you can keep your hands clean

and it's not my fault your NS wagoning was still incredibly bad.

[bvoigt]

Are you really twisting this into a scumtell? I know I'm town, but I don't know SleepyKrew's alignment.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not twisting anything, I'm just considering the possibilities that you wouldn't accept were you mafiosi

and I'm sure we all 'know' we're town here.

[Amrun]

Amrun, how is it a contradiction? I think TS is sacrificing bvoigt and hoping that he and you survive till endgame, which is entirely possible.Since when did I say unreasonable arguments are a scumtell?Did you answer my lurking point yet?

Of course it's a contradiction; you are pushing it as something so obvious it doesn't need explanation, when in reality it is the remotest of possibilities. But you are not approaching things in a "figure this out" way, as I have seen you do as town; your posting in a whole is just kind of saying random shit because you need to say something. At first, I thought you would dig in later, but you haven't, and it's gotten far worse.

If the scumteam would be as you say, and ts were to sacrifice someone, in that climate, it made a lot more sense for it to be ME. Basically no one really suspected bvoigt until ts' case, but plenty of people suspected me, so that makes very little sense - and for reasons previously stated, the proposed scumteam is probably the least sensical scumteam in the game.

You seemed to be pushing ts for unreasonable arguments in that post I quoted that you're responding to.

And what lurking point? That I pushed you for inactivity while you were v/la? That's irrelevant. My point was that even when you're not v/la, you were barely posting, and when you do post, it's very little content and the content you do post makes no sense.

[Twistedspoon]

iirc you said a BV lynch would be better than a NL Amrun

so lets get it done. SK isn't going today, and even if he was a BV flip reveals much about him

[Fruit Basket]

Bvoigt! Join the FLP wagon for survival. Amrun will switch, she wants to save you surely, after all she has a really strong town read on you. That's 4. We can do eet!

[Fruit Basket]

JUST. SAY. NO. DON'T. DO. BVOIGT. (i'm sure you're sexy but you know...let's not rope ya~)


Quilford and Jerrobo will switch. That's 6. FLASHWAGON GET.

[bvoigt]

Sure.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew
VOTE: fatlikepig

[Twistedspoon]

if you manage to derail this wagon, FB and BV does turn out to be scum then I'm PL'ing you in our next game

[SleepyKrew]

Amrun, if as many people suspected you as you say, you'd be dead. You're like an untouchable god of sorts right now.

If bvoigt flips town, pigdey/TS/Amrun.
If bvoigt flips scum, TS is most likely town.
Yay.

[jerobbo]

Quilford and Jerrobo will switch. That's 6. FLASHWAGON GET.

Nawww it has to be bvoigt now.

[Twistedspoon]

If bvoigt flips scum, TS is most likely town.
Yay.

I thought a minute ago you said I was bussing BV?

[fatlikepig]

If bvoigt flips scum, I'm thinking the rest of the team is probably pidgey/FB.

[SleepyKrew]

If bvoigt flips scum, TS is most likely town.
Yay.

I thought a minute ago you said I was bussing BV?

That was before I got suspicious of pigdey.
Honestly, you say you're reading the thread...

[Twistedspoon]

If bvoigt flips scum, TS is most likely town.
Yay.

I thought a minute ago you said I was bussing BV?

That was before I got suspicious of pigdey.
Honestly, you say you're reading the thread...

that's quite the leap

because you got suspicious of 1 player the idea of me bussing has completely vanished

[pidgey]

You know what? Id happily lynch SK too for his horrible reasoning and flipfloping scum reads.

Fat, SK, and Quil are probably my picks right now.

[Fruit Basket]

We have like 12 hours left.

Is there anyone on Bv willing to switch? Sk/TS/FLP/Jerobbo have said no. SK kinda too. . Equinox are you willing to help with the FLP wagon? What do you think of bvoigt and what I pointed out?

I'll wait on the answers but I don't think we've enough for a counterwagon.

[Fruit Basket]

Er, not 12. I miscalculated. But I won't be awake by the time the deadline is, which is like 9am.

[Twistedspoon]

i think the scumteam is SK, fat and BV but I'm not completely certain at all.

[Quilford]

VOTE: bvoigt

recent posts are opportunistic, i want a death at deadline, his reads are terrible and supported by flimsy reasoning, his defence to the points against him is also flimsy...

i love being the hammer vote, it ensures that no matter what the lynchee flips i will be under heavy scrutiny tomorrow

[Quilford]

Quilford and Jerrobo will switch. That's 6. FLASHWAGON GET.

Nawww it has to be bvoigt now.

massive townread on jerobbo for this