In post 1626, Otolia wrote:I don't agree with the unprofessional aspect of things, that's a given. I don't want you to agree with me. But even if you disagree with me, I will never such treatment for the things I love.
Instead of saying : Hey those Millenium guys are not getting professional nearly as fast as they should (which is true to some extent and I value this slow and measured pace) and that's something they have to fix to gain more credibility, you are throwing stones. Instead of saying : Players should have been there to play, that kind of behavior isn't something I am expecting from people that consider themselves pro-gamers or think of being (only Stephano is on Millenium), you target an organisation as a whole. To some extent that's their fault too but Millenium is a semi-professional team not a completely professional one.
As much as I love the StarCraft II community, we spend more time destroy each other instead of helping each other and growing together.
PS : Oh and Nuwem, if you have a problem with me, you can send me a PM. Other than that, I consider I deserve respect as much as anyone here.
In post 1628, Otolia wrote: In post 1627, DeathRowKitty wrote:Otolia wrote:Instead of saying : Hey those Millenium guys are not getting professional nearly as fast as they should (which is true to some extent and I value this slow and measured pace) and that's something they have to fix to gain more credibility, you are
throwing stones
being realistic and not letting national pride get in the way of your opinions like I am. The fact that you are not taking this situation personally and are instead being rational about it is disrespectful to Milennium.
Summarized?
I don't know what you mean exactly. But I can try.
I understand your position on professionalism, I don't agree with it. Millenium should have played this game and not forfeited, they couldn't. I don't think it's unprofessional because StarCraft itself isn't there yet (that's my own conviction) and I wished criticism would have been expressed more precisely (player vs. team) and in a more positive way. And finally I hope you can understand my motives (emotional ties that are dating from before SC2 itself) and my reasons (cf. above)
This is where we disagree. I feel that SC2 is mostly professional with a few outliers. You take the other side.
Do fans always act professional? Of course not. But you would never see Tom Brady do what a Patriots fan might do. You shouldn't measure the professionalism of a sport by some of the community that follows it. That is bound to attract some of the more undesirable elements.
Additionally, I feel that Mill, the organization, IS at fault. That this is not an issue with specific players, although they are contributing, but that this is a systematic problem with the team. They are NOT taking any of this seriously, and neither are you. You still won't take it seriously. This entire issue may even be more systematic within the French gaming community, but I'm not willing to go that far just based on the actions of one team.
If you truly believe that SC2 doesn't have the level of professionalism than it should, you should be MORE abhorred at the people who constantly keep it down and act unprofessional. We don't get better if we continue to allow this to happen, we need to strive to be MORE professional, not less. If we want to reach a acceptable level of respectability than we need to police our own.
As someone who is French you should be embaressed by their lack of professionalism, not giving your consent. Your voice should be the loudest calling for change, not giving them excuses and passes. Your head should be bowed in shame over the fact they are representing the French gamer community in such a way. They are making YOU look bad, and you're giving them excuses. STOP THAT.
We don't give people like Deezer breaks for the same reason. If a player or a team constantly thumbs their nose at everyone else, we don't say "O, well they just had a bad week." No, we say "They're a rotten apple and they need to either be tossed out or they need to step up." Look at CombatEx. He is stepping up to be more professional. Yes, he still uses mind games, but now he is actually stopping the BS tactics (stream sniping, etc). God help me, but Mill needs to be more like CombatEx and less like Deezer.
. Damn Leenock just sniping so many people. MMA, Idra, Huk, Boxer, Haypro. And holy shit Haypro. Where did he come from. Almost knocked out both MVP and Nestea. Too bad he only took out Nestea. Only. wow.
