NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[theamatuer]

I roleblocked you N2.
So theres 3 choices here.
1. another roleblocker: unlikely
2. You mafbuddy did the kill for you: possible
3. You are roleblockerproof.
Theres no way you can be vig and roleblockerproof and still have it be fair. So either you are scum or a SK with roleblockerproof abilities.

[Pine]

If I'd been roleblocked, I would not have claimed to be the killer of Pops. I wouldn't have claimed it at all.

The odds of you having been roleblocked sound slim, but jump up a lot when you consider that you're in most peoples' top three scumreads, including the other team's. Hell, if I were a roleblocker, you'd be one of my top choices to block in the hopes of halting a kill.

[ZeL1nK]

where can i find an up-to-date list of what's allowed / not allowed in normals?

too lazy to search myself

[theamatuer]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal#setup

[ZeL1nK]

why did you roleblock pine last night? and who did you block n1?

[theamatuer]

Because I felt he was scum.
I blocked SV night 1

[ZeL1nK]

who was it that was talking about pops-thad links D2? I recall multiple people talking about this, but it seems to have been forgotten.

what do people think of sorgster and funkybike?

[ZeL1nK]

@ta,

assume pine is town for a moment (make believe, if you want). who is scum and why?

[ZeL1nK]

@Pine,

why was screaminghawk town?

[ThAdmiral]

@ dgb: if you actually have evidence pine is scum reveal it instead of just hinting at it. You said "mod confirmed scum" - back this up.

anyway, first order of business is figuring out why the pops wagon stalled around p93 (I think it was me zde and thad then?).

As far as I can recall it didn't pick up any steam. Then the big revenus wagon happened and that took centre stage. I'll admit I jumped off because I felt pops was making sense and basically echoing a lot of things I was thinking.

I say we leave Pine alone for today. If he isn't the vig, the vig will vig him. If he's the SK, that will come out.

If he is telling the truth, theam is a great target for lynch.

Well said.

I would be happy with a sorgster or theam lynch today. I didn't like theam's hammer of velz which meant we didn't get to talk about velz's last few posts which I think indicated he was indeed town. Plus I don't believe his claim.

vote: theam

[ThAdmiral]

who was it that was talking about pops-thad links D2? I recall multiple people talking about this, but it seems to have been forgotten.

There were thad-rev links. I can't remember any thad-pops links though.

[theamatuer]

If pine was town and vig, then I would be scum for lying about my RB target. So yeah, can't imagine that happening.
I really don't think there's another town RB, and scum RB's wouldn't target me as I'm pretty much gonna get lynched and they wouldn't waste an action on me.

[theamatuer]

And I put the thoughts of Vels final post with my hammer. His last posts are scummy for the same reason all his posts are.

[Pine]

@Pine,

why was screaminghawk town?

Without extensive archive diving, it was mostly some D1 stuff that I just can't see coming from scum. I talked about it in my 2 reads wallposts. The first one is like 354 or 435 or something.

[ZeL1nK]

@thad,

i swear i remember people talking about thad-pops. i think smargaret was one of them. i'll go back and check some time soon.

@ta,

a scum roleblocker could have blocked you if they felt you were, say, scum of the opposing team and they were attempting to block your kill. there are also a couple other explanations that are plausible.

i'm asking you to consider the possibility that you're wrong because you've done very little today outside of declaring your unyielding desire to see pine lynched and I want to know who else you think is scum

why do you think pine claimed to be a vig who can make up his own kill flavour? do you think he's lying about targeting you n1?

@Pine

i'll look at it soon. only asking because dgb's play so far has been pretty pathetic and doesn't look town at all.



Oh and while i'm figuring things out

VOTE: funkybike

This makes a lot of sense after reading pops's ISO. Plus his recent posts have been screaming all kinds of scum.

[ZeL1nK]

wait no it was pops-zdenek that were supposedly linked in smargaret's mind.

heh, kind of ironic given the nks last night.

[Pine]

Yeah, there was all kinds of D1 linkage between them. Both of them spent a majority of the day tunneling on the other.

[ZeL1nK]

town:

revenus
beck
pine

not as likely town but still more town-looking than most players:

bvoigt
thad

no strong scum feelings and probably not lynch-worthy today:

iaaun
maxous
shattered viewpoint

I'm left with what?

sorgster, smargaret, DGB, vijay, funky, Sky, annnnnnnnnnd theamatuer

this is my lynch pool today.

I'm going to look over theam in ISO some time soon. Ironically, I'm far less confident he's scum today. :/

[ZeL1nK]

@mod

:

How do you deal with roleblocker v roleblocker action resolution? (specifically a blocks b and b blocks c)

Also want confirmation on Pine's nk flavour stuff.

[ZeL1nK]

Need to sort through pops' ISO now.

Done yet?

TheAm is very scummy,especially with that last post but revenus is much scummier imo.

Elaborate. Why is (was) Rev so much scummier than theam?

Hmm maybe not so much Vijay.Funky looks like a good shout through Pops ISO imo.Plus Funky's individual play has been real scummy anyway.

I somehow missed this earlier when I skimmed over today's posts. maxous can be town for now too, not that it matters because he wasn't in my lynch pool either way.

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#2805 is such a bad, bad post.



also, temp vote count for my own reference

pine (5) - theam, beck, dgb, smargaret, sorg
funky (2) - maxous, captain awesome
rev (1) -

pine

,

sorg

, bv
theam (4) - rev,

smargaret

, iiaun, pine, thad

16 alive = 9 to lynch

[ZeL1nK]

that pine wagon is poison

[Pine]

I haven't started a Pops ISO yet, actually. I became distracted, you might say. Considering it's 2:38 AM, it's not going to happen tonight.

[vijay2vasandani]

I wasn't 100% positive that theam wasn't Bulletproof Town or Doctored. His reaction just now eliminates BP Townie as a possibility (he'd have claimed it) and the odds of Hiraki Doc'ing theam (who Hiraki mentioned only once, and early in the game in a null way) are very slim compared to the odds of him being BP scum or Pop's lucky buddy. Pop's flip gave me the information I needed to push hard on theam. Prior to a Mafia Doc flip, I had no way of knowing whether scum had a protective role or not.

Hiraki didn't target him.

Well I roleblocked you N2.
So you did not kill pops. It was probably someone else on your scumteam that did it.
Btw, I did not block pine N1, so I have no idea how it happened.

Bullshit.

VOTE: theamateur

[Revenus]

zelink not voting one of theam/pine makes me suspicious of him.

It's clear we have at least one person lying in this situation: DGB/theam/Pine. At least one of these people is scum.

[ZeL1nK]

DGB hasn't claimed anything that she could be held accountable for and there isn't necessarily a 'one must be lying' dichotomy between pine and ta.