The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Magister Ludi]

Wait, empking gave him a role? Die empking!

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Vote: Empking

I need to figure out if empking did, in fact, do this, but its a great place for a vote now. If andrius was scum for the entire game, we need to reread his day one through that prism.

[Magister Ludi]

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Vote Nacho

Looks like andrius was scum the entire game and empking's role giving failed, contrary to my memory. We now return to our normally schedule programming!

[Gut]

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Vote Nacho

Looks like andrius was scum the entire game and empking's role giving failed, contrary to my memory. We now return to our normally schedule programming!

As bad as your vote was, this reason for unvoting is actually worse.

[Magister Ludi]

I don't care? Whats your point?

[Gut]

I didn't have a point, I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the issue atm, but I can still spot flawed logic when I see it. If andrius always had his role, the only reasonable way for him to geuss at there being an unknown role/role giving mechanic in the game is if empking was mafia with him.

[Magister Ludi]

I think he might have simply piggy backed of gandalf's confusion and just completely fabricated not having a 'role' on day one.

[Gut]

I think he might have simply piggy backed of gandalf's confusion and just completely fabricated not having a 'role' on day one.

Based on my memory, and I admit this was quite a long time ago so I may be misremembering something, andrius claimed to have no role while gandalf was still claiming to be Gandalf. gandalf had left some breadcrumbs but picking up on the unknown role mechanic from just that within all that chaos seems unlikely to me.

[Amrun]

I shot scumand he even died this time!

I'm

v/la until Monday

, though.

[Herodotus]

My guess is Andrius joined the mafia team N2 when Empking claims to have targeted him first. Then he claimed to still have no role so people would dismiss him.
Or N1. There could have been some role interaction between Gandalf receiving his role and/or becoming Espeonage's neighbour and Andrius joining Espeonage's faction.
I don't think Empking is to blame for Andrius being mafia, considering all the discussion about the subject from Gandalf/Andrius/Empking.

@Amrun: Did Magister Ludi support shooting Andrius? Obviously if so, that looks good for him, if he tried to convince you to spare Andrius, it looks less good (unless the target he supported also flips scum in which case it looks very good for him).

@Gut: I didn't believe Feysal was a SK, I thought he was the lyncher-like role he had earlier claimed. So I didn't put much thought into the hypothetical situation where he was a Serial Killer, and out of laziness I just used the generality that SK's need to minimize the number of confirmed (or nearly confirmed) innocents. I can see in retrospect that his killing Amrun would probably have meant his being lynched on Day 5, but there's a reasonable possibility he would have killed Magister Ludi. And again, Feysal-SK would have had almost no chance of winning with both masons/neighbors alive, or with a vig alive after it became known that he was a SK, so eventually he needed Amrun dead, even if he couldn't immediately take the shot.

[Herodotus]

Oh, I forgot about his NK-immunity, meaning he didn't have to worry about being vigged. But the rest is still relevant.

[Regfan]

I'm going for a run, I'll comment on this game when I get back but I'd say that D4s results are quite spectacular, two third parties and a scum down with no loss.

[Empking]

I think he might have simply piggy backed of gandalf's confusion and just completely fabricated not having a 'role' on day one.

Based on my memory, and I admit this was quite a long time ago so I may be misremembering something, andrius claimed to have no role while gandalf was still claiming to be Gandalf. gandalf had left some breadcrumbs but picking up on the unknown role mechanic from just that within all that chaos seems unlikely to me.

That's correct.

I'd've voted MOS but I get the feeling that its going to clearcut whether or not he's scum pretty soon from MOI's post.

[Magister Ludi]

My one comment regarding the kill was that we should shoot either Nacho or Mockingjay, and that I wasn't sure what to think of Andrius.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So MoS has posed in two threads that he was not modding since I posted my request ...

Deciding in your QT what the best reaction to this information is MoS?

[Herodotus]

The interactions between Andrius and Nacho aren't very strong, but I think they lean just slightly toward supporting Nacho as town. That doesn't give me a townread on Nacho, but it reduces my scumread.

[Magister Ludi]

Why?

[Regfan]

I re-read overnight and as much as I'd hate to say it Mockingjaye is probably town, all other of my thoughts can wait until MoS responds if he ever does.

Herrodotus, I'd like for you to point out specific examples that makes you think that.

[Herodotus]

1. Andrius called Nacho scum in his second to last post.
2. Nacho's comments in 2096 and 2133 were more negative toward Andrius than I realized yesterday. At first I considered them as scum simply seeding a future mislynch , but given that Andrius was mafia, that's out. And given that Nacho was doubting that Andrius had the role he had, I have to interpret it as a more immediate attack.

@Gut: why was Andrius blue in your VCA?

[Herodotus]

Nacho was doubting that Andrius had the role he claimed to have

EBWOP

[Gut]

@Gut: why was Andrius blue in your VCA?

I still don't think he had a role for the first 2 game days (the only days I finished my vca for). I was measuring scum separation, so someone that doesn't know their role, which I believed at the time and still believe to be the most likely case now, wouldn't be factored in.

[Vi]

VOTE COUNT #5.1

Mastermind of Sin -

1

- MagnaofIllusion
Nachomamma8 -

1

- Magister Ludi

Not Voting (1): Sun and Moon, Nachomamma8, Mastermind of Sin, Dekes, mockingjaye, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Empking, Herodotus

With 11 alive it will take 6 votes to lynch.

[Amrun]

Tbh, Ludi didn't support the Andrius shot, but not in a strong way. He just wanted me to shoot mjay or nacho over Andrius, but didn't make cases or anything. He wasn't like OMG DON'T SHOOT ANDRIUS!

[Magister Ludi]

Nacho is a good wagon, everybody.

[Herodotus]

@Magister Ludi: if there is a guilty result on Mastermind of Sin, it isn't.

So MoS has posed in two threads that he was not modding since I posted my request ...

Deciding in your QT what the best reaction to this information is MoS?

The most recent post I see from Mastermind was before Day 5 started (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3610631). Did he delete something?

But this delay is boring.

@Mod: requesting a prod for Mastermind of Sin

[MagnaofIllusion]

The most recent post I see from Mastermind was before Day 5 started (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18662&p=3610631#p3610631). Did he delete something?But this delay is boring.

Actually looking back I did screw that up ... I thought it was at 3:00am on the 25th (after my post) not 3:00am on the 24th (before my post).

So my objection to his dodging is fully withdrawn.

I still eagerly await his response, however.