Mini 1267~ Complete

[Retrospective]

Oh okay. I'm dealing with some SH issues.

I'll do it before I hang out with Beka though

[Retrospective]

No, it's not really flawed. I'm not really pushing your lynch, I just don't really trust you. I do feel like you pulled the 'I knew you were pr' out of your ass though otherwise you would have said so when I claimed it.

[implosion]

Implosion, I want a reads list from you.

bezukhov, retro, regfan = definitely town
bionic, pine = town
triangle = probably scum, which is essentially by process of elimination. I don't see a big difference between here and [REDACTED].

[bionicchop2]

so, we lynching triangle yet?

[triangle123]

Which posts of his sound like they're coming from a town perspective in particular?

Um, like, most of them, I guess? He's questioned pretty much every player at one point or another even when it goes against the flow or it'd be easier to go with the flow, whereas I would imagine scum would rather go with whatever's happening. For instance, most people seem to agree that Implosion is town but he's still making a case against him.

You've said that you think Pine is scum mainly from process of elimination, but do you have specific reasoning other than that for thinking he's not town?

[triangle123]

so, we lynching triangle yet?

Unless I'm mistaken, your entire case against me is that I changed my mind about Birthday towards the end of Day 1, but I don't see how that is any scummier than, for example, Regfan holding a null read on Birthday until the end as well.

I was sufficiently convinced by Birthday's posts and minor towntells to have a weak town read on him until Retro made a post detailing a new perspective he had on Birthday that convinced me Birthday may not be town. But I wasn't really convinced until post #266. You can't honestly look at that post and tell me it's not the scummiest post she made the entire game up to that point.

[Regfan]

Retrospective, I'm willing to prove that I did indeed know when the game ends.

Implosion, please explain the Pine = Town to me. Also read into the interactions between Beyond and Triangle in particular Beyonds posts discussing Triangle.

Triangle123, I just explained that scum would need three mslynches to win therefore they would have to be throwing 'doubt' on players that aren't heavily suspected to keep the possibility of town mslynching them open for later therefore if anything Pines suspicion of Implosion especially after I've explained how Implosion is town is a scum-tell. I do have reasons as to why I suspect Pine other than PoE however I want Implosion and Retrospective to explain their town-read on him and the mod to respond to something before I elaborate into it.

[bionicchop2]

So triangle...it sounds like your only suspect is Reg - why are you not voting them?

[triangle123]

Reg is my suspect pretty much only by process of elimination, which I don't really feel is a decent reason to vote someone. I'm still internally debating about Implosion; as I've said, his posts and actions strike me as scummy, but his claim has thrown me off.

[Retrospective]

Bio, what's the scum perspective on triangle trying to disprove her only competing lynch? Also, who would you push on if you're wrong about Triangle? The two people Triangle is seeming to push on atm both would be lynched AFTER her. I feel like scum would know this and would hop on the Pine wagon.

Triangle/Pine, take a look at where Imp softclaimed yesterday. Do you think that was fake? If so, can you show me why?

Can someone please explain to me what [REDACTED] is? Regfag brought it up in early game and Imp just did it again.

Hmm...one other thing. Why do you guys think ICE was NK'd? Just the safest kill?

[Regfan]

Retrospective, I don't think there is a 'Pine wagon' merely two people stating suspicion of him, that being myself and Bionic. Ongoing games cannot directly be discussed without risk of modkill but stating [REDACTED] allows you to subtly point towards another game without breaking any rules.

[Retrospective]

Eh, Reg...scum has to lynch three people and not be one of them. I think if Triangle is scum, she knows this. Fighting the only other lynch that has more than a single person is counterproductive. Also, if I had to vote between Triangle and Pine, I'd be voting Pine so I factored my own read into my speculation as well.

I think the order of which I'm okay lynching people would be Pine -> Reg -> Triangle

[bionicchop2]

Retro -- she fought the BB lynch most of the day also. Scum is one vote and letting others push the case can be more effective. When my back was against the wall last game, I didn't push any cases and just let the town mislynch so I wouldn't be held accountable for it. Right now if we lynch somebody and they flip town, Triangle can gain some of those magical town points people have been liberally distributing this game.

[Me=Weird]

I'm sorry, things just haven't been working out with me, what with pneumonia, NaNoWriMo, and Thanksgiving. If this happens again, I'll see about possibly getting a new mod.

votecount

bezukhov(1): Retrospective
triangle123(2): implosion, bionicchop2
Retrospective(1): Bezukhov
implosion(1): Pine
Not Voting(2): Regfan, triangle123

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is December 2, in (expired on 2011-12-02 23:11:17).

[Regfan]

I need to ask the mod a question and I'd appreciate no one else claims until I do so.

I asked the mod my question and got a no, so we have to continue mass-claiming like normal unfortunately but it revolves around

our exact role PMs

.

Welcome to Mini ####, XXXX. You are a

Town Citizen

.

This should make a lot more sense now. In case it's not obvious I wanted to know if asking people to specify whether they were a VC or VT was allowed, got a confusing response and the sample PM was added to the ruleset.

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Vote: Pine

I'll elaborate into why I think he's scum other than due to PoE when it's not 2:30am.

[bionicchop2]

This should make a lot more sense now. In case it's not obvious I wanted to know if asking people to specify whether they were a VC or VT was allowed, got a confusing response and the sample PM was added to the ruleset.

That would have been sticky because I would have reflexively said VT (though if you asked an OR question I may have re-checked).

[Pine]

^This

I am Town. No fucking clue who's scum, really.

[implosion]

Let's go. Bez hangs, and we either win today or tomorrow.

With Imp and Bez being left alone for now, Bionic it is. This is today's lynch, go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.

I forget who my vote is on. I really seriously doubt Imp's roleclaim given the existence of a Tracker, and considering he claimed it as 1-shot, he's a VT now at best.

Let's go.

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I am Town. No fucking clue who's scum, really.

Then why have you been giving suspects with so much conviction?

[implosion]

Implosion, please explain the Pine = Town to me. Also read into the interactions between Beyond and Triangle in particular Beyonds posts discussing Triangle.

He gave a fos on triangle, and then eventually just collapsed into calling him town. And he said he couldn't read new players, then later said that triangle was town because he sounded more like new town than new scum. It feels like scum wanting to be ambivalent on their partner and then deciding that it's better to call them town.

The pine town read is partially meta-based, but after the "my meta is fluid" post it's meh. He's my weakest townread. It's also gut-based with things like his second post feeling genuine.

[Pine]

Fishing for reactions, primarily. When I don't have confidence, I feign confidence and look for leads.

Besides, we can more or less random lynch for a day or two and be fine.

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote: Retro

Because why not?

[Retrospective]

Why not? Um because I'm bg? o.o

[bionicchop2]

I think I need to see a current top suspects list from people.

Mine:

1. triangle
1.5 Pine
3 Reg by default

[Pine]

I was actually trying to just make a point. I don't really think it matters who we lynch. Remaining scum has to survive three lynches, each with increasing chance they get caught. Forgot about your claim or Implosion's while I was making my point.

Pine, Retro & Bez*: Confirmed Town

Bionic, Implosion, Regfan, Triangle: Not confirmed Town. We have three lynches at our disposal. The odds of us fucking up are pretty small. Lynch away.

Original Roll String: 1d4 (STATIC)

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

*Even if Implosion is lying, Bez is confirmed. He's either cop clear, or Implosion is our scum and Bez is clear by PoE.

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote: Bionic