Mini320: Urban Legends Mafia is over!

[VisMaior]

May I point you to here, where I explain why I think he is genuine? If you think he is BS, please explain the fault in my logic.

[Scalebane]

So, here's how I see it:

Der Hammer
-Probably not mafia, but it's somewhat hard to say. Once again, I could go either way on him (either townie or mafia)

Scalebane(replacing Osloboditelj)
-Whatever I say here (except a claim) will get twisted to somehow imply that I'm mafia, including this statement.

audacesiuvat
-Claimed postman type role. Pretty much unconfirmed, due to "unfortunate" coincidence.

VisMaior
-Once again, I could go either way.

Armlx(replacing help im a bug)
-Confirmed innocent (barring unrevealed weirdness in the cop role) by a confirmed cop. Not much interesting to be said.

bluesoul
-Bluesoul, unfortunately, is either the doc or he is mafia.

Sentinel99
-I personally believe his claim, expecially considering the breadcrumbing by Stikey

Yosarian2
-Could be townie, could be mafia.

So, the list of people who are "suspects" is:

Der Hammer, audaces, visMaior, bluesoul, Yosarian

The most likely scenario is:
{
Bluesoul is the doc, audaces is innocent.

One of:
Der Hammer, visMaior, Yosarian
is a roleblocker.

and one of the remaining two is mafia.
}

Due to this, I'll go ahead and

Vote: Yosarian

just to get this party started again.

[armlx]

Vis: Its very, very easy to fake his way through the claim. He could send it to a scum buddy (which creates a WIFOM when they die), he could send to a kil target, or he could be scum with the ability. All of those are fairly possible.

BTW, Scalebane, I have claimed RB already, so its hard for one of those 3 to be....

[VisMaior]

Vis: Its very, very easy to fake his way through the claim. He could send it to a scum buddy (which creates a WIFOM when they die), he could send to a kil target, or he could be scum with the ability. All of those are fairly possible.

He could send it to a scum buddy

So why claim to sent to Briz?

he could send to a kil target

wich he did, but why Briz???

or he could be scum with the ability

if he is scum AND has the ability, why claim to have sent to a killtarget? Why not just send somewhere else?

[armlx]

Vis: Stall tactics. If we don't lynch him for long its easier for us to lose.

[Scalebane]

Armlx: When did you claim RB?

Anyways, the rest still stands

[Scalebane]

Sorry for the double post, but it's been awhile and I think further examining the situation is useful.

Sorry I didn't catch your claim earlier, Armlx.

The most likely scenario is this:
{
Bluesoul is the doc, audaces is innocent.

The mafia are among:
Der Hammer, visMaior, Yosarian
}

and ... my earlier vote still stands. I'm a little surprised my vote didn't start any more conversation.

[Yosarian2]

bluesoul
-Bluesoul, unfortunately, is either the doc or he is mafia.

I'll ignore the fact that you voted for me with basically no logic behind it for the moment; because this statement is just bizzare and seems even more noteworthy at the moment. First of all, why are you speculating on the identity of the doc right now? That seems terribly anti-town to me; that line seems specifically designed to try and get a reaction out of the doctor (because if the doctor is not bluesoul, and he takes your statement at face value, he'd attack bluesoul right now) and/or to get either a "I'm the doc" or "I'm not the doc" statement out of Bluesoul. Secondly, where you do get that strange "either/or" statement from in the first place? Why would you assume that bluesoul is either the doc or is mafia?

More generally, what I get out of your post is this:

A. The only thing we know is the HIAB is a confirmed innocent.

B. Therefore, the 2/3 of Der Hammer, visMaior, or Yosarian is mafia and Bluesoul is the doc.

Um, care to explain some of the "logic" you used to get from point A to point B?

[Scalebane]

Perhaps I know things you don't that leads to me having steps in my logic that you don't understand?

Considering that someone earlier in this thread implied that either I or Bluesoul are probably scum, I was simply defending myself and probably bluesoul. If I have, in fact, outed the doctor then it was out of rustiness and studpidity (from not having played a game in awhile) as opposed to scumminess.

[Yosarian2]

If I have, in fact, outed the doctor then it was out of rustiness and studpidity (from not having played a game in awhile) as opposed to scumminess.

Are you going to explain how you came to any of those odd conclusions?

[VisMaior]

Vis: Stall tactics. If we don't lynch him for long its easier for us to lose.

Err, what? Maybe Im dense, but You dont make any sense to me. Have you read the post I linked you to troughly?

[Scalebane]

If I'm right, am I not actually helping the mafia (who know whether or not he's mafia) by proving he's the doc?

Anyways, My role's ability is that I can pick one person a night and randomize their target (I can give more flavor on my role, but I won't unless asked). On night three, I chose Bluesoul (I don't really know why, I just did.). Considering that the cop died (when any smart doc would've been protecting him) I'm guessing that Bluesoul is the doctor. Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure what this says about the mafia for trying to target the cop regardless of the fact that he would obviously be protected by the doc. if I hadn't unknowingly messed it up, that is.

The only reasons why I think bluesoul might be mafia is similar to the reasons argued above. Mafia would probably suspect the doc would be covering the cop so both the doc and the mafia end up covering sommebody else. I randomize bluesoul's kill and *whoops* the cop dies. It is also a possibility that since I randomized bluesoul's kill, it somehow went through the doc's protection, but I'm not entirely sure whether or not that makes any sense.

[audacesiuvat]

Anyways, My role's ability is that I can pick one person a night and randomize their target (I can give more flavor on my role, but I won't unless asked). On night three, I chose Bluesoul (I don't really know why, I just did.). Considering that the cop died (when any smart doc would've been protecting him) I'm guessing that Bluesoul is the doctor. Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure what this says about the mafia for trying to target the cop regardless of the fact that he would obviously be protected by the doc. if I hadn't unknowingly messed it up, that is.

The only reasons why I think bluesoul might be mafia is similar to the reasons argued above. Mafia would probably suspect the doc would be covering the cop so both the doc and the mafia end up covering sommebody else. I randomize bluesoul's kill and *whoops* the cop dies. It is also a possibility that since I randomized bluesoul's kill, it somehow went through the doc's protection, but I'm not entirely sure whether or not that makes any sense.

You echoed my reservations pretty well. It doens't seem logical for the Mafia to target Briz, and it doesn't seem logical for the doc to not protect Briz, yet something had to give. Maybe we're making too many assumptions here? Maybe we don't have a doc? Maybe the real doc was blocked, and you randomized bluesoul's kill onto Briz?

The only people who I'm willing to exonerate right now are Sentinel and Armlx. I like your story, Scalebane, but I need to think about it a bit more before I believe it.

[Yosarian2]

Well, you can't necessarally read too much into the choice of doc protections and such; it's quite possible the doc just assumed the cop wouldn't get targeted and so decided to try and outguess the scum.

[Yosarian2]

By the way, Bluesoul, there's no need for you to claim doc or not doc at this time. I wish Scaleband hadn't said that he thought you were the doc; I wouldn't have pressed him for more information on the subject if I had thought he had role-based information behind it (I thought he was just scum spinning BS to try and fish for a doctor). If you know your ability was not randomized last night and that Scalebane is lying, go ahead and claim that, but otherwise, we don't need to know your role at this time, I think.

[VisMaior]

OK, so now what.

about bluesoul: I can think of a 3. scenario. How about he has something else as a role, and other things have led to Brizs death? That is possible too. Just thinking loud here.

[Der Hammer]

Im still here.

Just been busy recently so Ill get back in soon

[VisMaior]

Ok this is DRAGGING. With capital letters.

vote bkuesoul

I think we might have scum here, its better than anybody other. If he really is doc, he will calim it anyways.

[Drummer]

OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT

bluesoul--2(Sentinel99, VisMaior)

Yosarian2--1(Scalebane)

Not voting--a lot(everyone else)

Conversation is good enough for the moment. Keep it up. Or lynch someone. It's all good.

[bluesoul]

Actually, I'm not going to claim. Not now, anyway. I don't see how it can help the town so I won't.

[Yosarian2]

Alright, time for my standard:
The Lurker List:

Der Hammer: Yeah, he made a "I'm still here, been busy" post, but that's all he said all day. Needs to say more.

armlx: posted when he first replaced in, but has not posted for a week.

Sentinel99: His last post was "is anyone still in?, 10 days ago" His last post with any content was june 6, 12 days ago.

[Scalebane]

Just a post to say that I'm still keeping an eye on the thread. I don't really have much more to contribute at this point. I've got some information up my sleeves, but nothing I want to reveal at the moment (or that I think would be helpful to reveal)

[VisMaior]

Soooo....

[VisMaior]

Oh comeon people, just do

something

already! This game has as much as stopped! We desparately need some deadline, or a random bandwagon or something.

[VisMaior]

unvote

even. Bluesoul could be doc so people hesitate to vote him, fine. lets just do something else. A PBPA perhaps? *sigh* I wish I had the time. Im going back to see whom ziliu interacted with.