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[armlx]

Hmm,

FOS Der Hammer

untill this is sorted out.

Still, all these "confirmed" innocents make me happy:

Me
Bluesoul (unlynchability, unless a mayor role cares to claim)
Sentinel (unless I'm being stupid and he wasn't investigated....)

[Sentinel99]

I got no message. Also, how does being unlynchable make somebody auto townie? What kinds of roles are normally unlynchable? Also, maybe it was only a one time thing or something. I think that we should give it another shot and see what happens.

[audacesiuvat]

Scalebane may have randomized my role last night. (I swear, I don't think I've ever done more footwork to validate such a useless role. )

Sentinel: bluesoul's failed lynch is 99% indicative of a townie. Think about it - how would we ever win if we were up against a scum that we couldn't lynch?

[Yosarian2]

I got no message. Also, how does being unlynchable make somebody auto townie? What kinds of roles are normally unlynchable? Also, maybe it was only a one time thing or something. I think that we should give it another shot and see what happens.

I've only seen unlynchable (or immune to one lynch) a few times, and all of those times, they've been a townie. An unlynchable role could be scum, but that seems like it could be unblanaced; if there were three people left, and one was a scum who would survive the first lynch, the town can't possible win.

About the whole der hammer thing, it sounds like there's a role redirector messing with stuff. Der hammer got the note and Sentinal didn't, and there's no logical reason for either of them to lie about it. Role redirectors can either be town or scum (a scum role re-directers is sometimes called a witch).

[Der Hammer]

Interesting, because I intended to send it to Sentinel. Did I get switched?

Considering the four remaining unclaimed players (Der Hammer, Scalebane, VisMaior, Yosarian2), the scummiest seem to be VisMaior and Yosarian2

Well thats what I got

[VisMaior]

Didnt Scalebane claimed something?

[Scalebane]

Yeah. I randomized Audeces's role last night.

[VisMaior]

That narrows it down quiet a bit.

vote Yosarian

[Yosarian2]

What? Where did that come from?

[audacesiuvat]

Yep, that's my message.

That just about clears Der Hammer in my book, he could have lied and said that he didn't get the message, and in the general confusion nobody would have said anything else.

The one that really gets me is Scalebane. Why oh why did you randomize my action? You knew I was on the hook for my role, and I had only one more chance to get a message through. So why randomize it? I think you were hoping it would hit scum, I would go 0-for-3, and I'd be the easy lynch target.

Vote: Scalebane

[Yosarian2]

Actually, I see what you're saying, narrowing it down at this point is probably a good idea.

People who have had their role confirmed:

Bluesoul: confirmed as a unlynchable. Probable good guy.

Scalebane: Role randomiser, confirmed. Often, but not always, a good guy role.

audacesiuvat: Message sender, confirmed. Often, but not always, a good guy role.

Armlx (replacing help I'm a bug):confirmed innocent, multiple ways, including by cop investigation.

Sentinel99: Claimed mason, "farmer's wife". The breadcrumb was pretty convincing to me, and I believe his claim.


Now, the non-confirmed people, and the notes I have on them:

VisMaior: Voted for Broomhead, audacesiuvat, bluesoul, armlx, der hammer, and me.

Der Hammer: Lurked for a while, until called out on it. Bad voting record, pushed the broomhead and bluesoul lynches. Got the message last night, but of course that proves nothing; I'm sure audacesiuvat can send messages to scum as well as to good guys.


And me, of course. (didn't take notes on myself )

I think Der hammer is probably scum. I was suspicious of him yesterday. As for the third scum, it's probably either Vis or one of the two people with confirmed roles but not confirmed alignments (scalebane or audacesiuvat).

vote:Der Hammer

[Scalebane]

Audeces: I went for you as a randomization choice because if you were lying about your ability then that would mean you were scum. Often, but not always, randomizing the scum's nightkill is a good thing as it keeps their target alive for one more day. It also gives me verifiable proof (to the town) of my ability.

[Sentinel99]

I don't think Der Hammer is scum. He wouldn't have claimed aud's message if he were, IMO. I wouldn't if I were scum. Think about it, aud claims to have messaged me, and I wouldn't have gotten anything, which would make aud the play for the day.

I find Scalebane's play scummy, but his reasoning behind it seems solid. At this point, however, it seems the most untrustworthy.

[VisMaior]

Not necessarily. He claimed before it was known that auds choice was randomized.

[Der Hammer]

I have no problem claiming but this "evidence" from Yosarian is pretty awful. I have not pushed for any lynchs.

Vote:Yosarian

[Drummer]

OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT

Yosarian--2(VisMaior, Der Hammer)

Scalebane--1(audacesiuvat)

Der Hammer--1(Yosarian2)

Eight alive, five to lynch

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[Yosarian2]

I don't think Der Hammer is scum. He wouldn't have claimed aud's message if he were, IMO. I wouldn't if I were scum. Think about it, aud claims to have messaged me, and I wouldn't have gotten anything, which would make aud the play for the day.

But he didn't know that. When Hammer claimed, he had every reason to assume that aud had sent the message to him, putting him in a position where he would eventually have to either confirm aud's claim, or lie about getting the message and probably get lynched eventually when the lie was found out (perhaps after aud's death). Claiming early costs him nothing, and made him look more pro-town. So, at the point he claimed, claiming he got the message would be the logical thing for anyone to do, scum or town. It proves nothing.

[Yosarian2]

I have no problem claiming but this "evidence" from Yosarian is pretty awful. I have not pushed for any lynchs.

Vote:Yosarian

You were voting for both of them. The fact that you joined both bad bandwagons (Assuming bluesoul is town, which I think he is) is a point against you. But yeah, I never claimed to have solid proof against you; it's simple process of elimination at this point. If there are 3 scum, then through process of elimination the odds are high that you one of them, so I am voting for you.

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, out of the few posts you have made, Der Hammer, three of them were attacking Broomhead; you voted for him twice, and had another short post saying you didn't believe his claim. How can you say you were not pushing for his lynch?

[Yosarian2]

Where the heck is everyone?

[VisMaior]

Im around.

[Sentinel99]

I was actually waiting to see what Der Hammer had to say.

[Der Hammer]

I was actually waiting to see what Der Hammer had to say.

What do I have to say?

Yosarian has already admitted he there is no evidence and he is just going on probablys.

If you were not seeming to be a confirmed mason Sentinel then you would be my top suspect.

[VisMaior]

I dont think DerHammer is more scummy than Yos. After al he did confirm audecess.

[Der Hammer]

Not necessarily. He claimed before it was known that auds choice was randomized.

In the complete message from Aud he says that he thinks I could be Mafia. I knew then that the message wasnt intended for me and had to "clear" him just because I know knew him to be almost confirmed innocent.