COVERT OPS MAFIA: GAME OVER

[Bogre]

So, any ideas about who Frozen might have chosen to target? Or do we think (s)he was killed normally?

I don't know, but I think if there are other potential Masons out there they should be careful trying to reach other ones. (Unless the other Masons are on-duty operatives).

But if they are not, and their roles are similar to Frozen, you now have a greater chance of hitting a scum ops player.
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[Bogre]

My main concern is that after a couple of days, the mafia could use people's plans to tell exactly who's in the mason group. Look at it this way: If all the players claim that they would have targeted someone last night (if they were this Recruiting Mason role), then the mafia can instantly rule out anyone who would have targeted any of them. That right there lets them narrow down the field pretty dramatically.

And then, since they'd have everyone's general plans going into the night, they'd be able to kill people in a way that would both cause the maximum possible amount of misinformation and also narrow down the possible field of masons.

I don't know if people have had success in the past with everyone posting what they'd do if they were a cop, but in this case, it just seems too dangerous in terms of letting the bad guys know who's in the mason group.

Montykins is quite right, doing a search-mason thing like that would just allow the mafia too much information and an easier night choice. They could first of all, not target any townie that claimed they were going to target a scum (thus maximizing kills); 2, they could target a townie that said he was going to search out another townie (thus placing suspicion and misinformation on the other townie).

[Bogre]

I'm with DGB on that.

[Bogre]

I'm sure you'll agree its a little too late for random voting, and I don't see anyone looking terribly scummy right now.

[Bogre]

Eh if ya'll are going to have a problem with not random voting then lets start a fire.

For the same reasons as above.

Vote: der hammer

[Bogre]

Unvote

While I reread.

[Bogre]

I'm back, gonna read back over.

[Bogre]

First of all, whats your evidence of me being the sk? Secondly, so you'd rather believe Thesp, in a game of a uninformed majority, and let him try to get the town lynch me without supporting his vote in any way? I have only one answer to that. You are scum with him, and if you go his way and dont give solid reasons, we have revealed our scum.

This screams, 'I'm scummy under pressure and scrambling to find an argument!'

[Bogre]

Vote: Lordy

Forgot to put my vote in with my above post.

[Bogre]

So one mafioso got nailed, right? I'm assuming the political correction agency is something like the KGB, and thus evil. Plus he's listed in blue in the deathlist.

[Bogre]

So we need to work on finding the scum leader, who knows who all of the scum are. Having him gone would throw their unity into disarray, if like Badwater they didn't all know who their allies were.

[Bogre]

So we need to work on finding the scum leader, who knows who all of the scum are. Having him gone would throw their unity into disarray, if like Badwater they didn't all know who their allies were.

Actually...that's a good point. If this scum group is that vulnerable to one random kill, then perhaps there is a second scum group.

I imagine if he's like a godfather then he may be un-nightkillable. Which would prevent it from being a random kill to throw them into disarray.

[Bogre]

The information is enough to give me cause to

Vote: Der Hammer

[Bogre]

Unvote: Fritzler, Vote: Der Hammer.

Fritzler can be tomorrow's lynch.

Still wondering about reasons for Fritzler to be tomorrow's lynch. Admittedly he's being stupid but is there further reasons? I'd like to see lynches on stronger stuff. If he's hindering finding scum, though, then he needs to go. We need to be like scientists and surgeons to find our scum (Heh heh looks Awesomely Alliterative Mafia is rubbing off!) and be very precise in who we decide to lynch.

[Bogre]

Well we definitely know that the scum Lordy nailed worked alone. And if ya'll think the entire scum group wouldn't be run by one man, maybe Badwater was just a deep agent, and there are a few more agents who know who's in the group. Maybe a deputy godfather?

[Bogre]

FOS Cadre

Sailor Jerry was scum, so he wasn't in opposition to the Mafia. And the Mafia didn't kill him 'to thin the numbers of the opposition'...Lordy vigged him by dropping the code word 'Backstab'.

Just a mistake on your part, I'm sure, and not overly scummy, but its still a mistake.

[Bogre]

For searching, no one the first night, Sarcastro the second night, and Yosarian tonight.

[Bogre]

I'm agreeing with the rest. No where has the CIA been mentioned. And Blue Frog doesn't really fit in with Chimera and Bloodwitch and stuff.

Confirm Vote: Der Hammer

[Bogre]

I'll claim my name first, if you like. It doesn't bother me, as I've nothing to worry about.

[Bogre]

I am code-named 'Duck's Hound'.

[Bogre]

I am going to agree with Thom on this case...Glork isn't giving scummy vibes, whereas DGB is giving them off. However, I know that scummy vibes might just be frustration on his part. I think a Thesp lynch is right on for today, because even if DGB is a scum hacker, he's still outted a scum for us. Then, glorky checks DGB's codename, tomorrow we find out that:

1. DGB and Glork are legit, we cheer for killing one scum. The Glorky and DGB go scumhunting again, rinse repeat, town wipes out scum like crazy.

2. Glork claims DGB scum, we discuss the possibilities of which is the scum out of DGB and Glork (allowing for the possibility that Glork is scum playing a gambit, doubtful as it is).

I'm gonna hold off my vote on Thesp until I read back and get a vote count, I don't want to see him quicklynched until the plan for tonight and tomorrow is agreed upon.

[Bogre]

DGB. Give us your codename. You have NOTHING TO FEAR if you are pro-town, do you? You've claimed your role. Your ability has been proven. What are you so afraid of?

I think he's afraid that we'll have to remedy his presence here if he gives you his code-name and is revealed as a PCA hacker.

However, like DGB said, if he's playing a gambit for his own scumgroup, should he belong to one, it is still more beneficial to the town to play along then lynch DGB. Albeit, it will have helped the opposing scumgroup, but it will have helped us towards 1: reducing the number of nightkills and 2: reducing the amount of scum to lynch in the game.

Vote: Thesp

Still think he's the play for today.

[Bogre]

I agree, you're holding the other guilty result as hostage to not be lynched.

[Bogre]

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

I am a daychoice cop. I investigated Sarcastro on Night 2 (tagging him on Day 1 with the word "cop" in post 31; breadcrumbing that he was clean in post 314) and the_holy_thom on Night 3 (tagging him on Day 2 with the word "check" in post 314 and breadcrumbing that he was innocent in post 651).

Last night, I investigated Mastermind of Sin after tagging him at the beginning of Day 3 in post 354 with the word "question". He is "Hydra", the head of the PCA. Also of interest from his role PM: the PCA consists of him, an assassin, a spy, and a saboteur. Sailor Jerry was the saboteur, DrippingGoofball has helpfully admitted to being the spy, so we've only got one unknown PCA operative out there.

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

for the fourth vote.

Lets cure the town of the PCA!

Whoever suggested the 4 and 4 setup I imagine is pretty correct. Even though the RC all look to be powerless equals, they aren't disadvantaged by not knowing who each other is and all having a kill ability (. The PCA, though they are all individually powerful, are hampered by a few things. 1. If their leader dies, they probably are at a huge disadvantage. 2. If their assassin is killed, I imagine they probably have to have someone else try to kill at a disadvantage.

[Bogre]

Call me paranoid, but I'm going to

Unvote Three Word Name

to ensure that somebody gets some protection before a quicklynch of any kind.

Yeah, there prolly needs to be a chance for protection for someone before we get that scumbug all lynched.

How many votes sit on TWN right now?

[Bogre]

Mod, please prod Bogre

God damnit I'm in school trying to become a fucking doctor and i have to take orgo I hardly have time for this without you prodding my ass.

But that said, I'm here.

[Bogre]

First things first: The Goat is clean. In my opinion, that means that either JSexton or the silent speaker is the PCA assassin. Meanwhile, both Fritzler and logicticus are Red Collective.

So here's my proposal: today, we lynch Fritzler, putting us at eight people. At night, I will investigate the silent speaker. If he's guilty, we'll easily win by lynching the people we know are scum. If he's innocent, it's probably JSexton. Either way, the scum don't have many places to hide.

Anyone disagree with this plan?

Vote: Fritzler

Nope, sounds good. I think the scum better find a nuclear bomb to save themselves or else call an ambulance cause they are f**ked.

[Bogre]

Whatcha got monty?

[Bogre]

I have "No Result" on the silent speaker.

My guess is that whoever the PCA Assassin is decided to try roleblocking me instead, at a 75% chance of success. I'm not positive that's possible, but I'm basing it on my reading of the various PCA PMs.

I'm nursing a hangover right now, and its time to lynch lynch lynch some scum?

Then back to sleep.

Vote: logiticus

[Bogre]

How did I not die? After the first few days when I ran out of stuff to use easily and was saying like 'call an ambulance' i was so sure I was gonna get ganked.

Just in curiousity, how many protects of mine went through?

[Bogre]

Incidentally, DGB, I've been wondering if this was true:

I haven't investigated anyone two nights ago, because I knew I was going to be dead - TWN from the RC was supposed to nightkill me. For some strange reason, he didn't. So I wasn't dead. Last night, I didn't investigate anybody either. I thought for sure I'd be vigged, because there were vague hints, so it didn't matter who I chose to investigate.

Because it seemed to me like the thing for you to do would be to try to become another PCA killer. Sure, you'd only have a 75% chance with each kill, but it would sitll be worth a try, right?

OMG, the idiocy continues. WTF were you thinking? Didn't you read my final post at all? I spent 20 minutes writing a post to SAVE YOUR ASS by acting like TSS could choose to protect you instead of killing. I even told you who you needed to investigate, and we would've had the doctor out in the open. Why the fuck would you just GIVE UP? Anything can happen in a game of mafia. You aren't done for until the mod says you are dead and can't come back alive. That's the ONLY time that you stop strategizing. EVER.

I agree. When he said 'Look at Bogre', I thought for sure I only had a little while left.