MUNSCM - Abandoned

[Talitha]

Oh,

vote: against

in case "It's possible that there is no vetoing of agenda amendment"

[cuban smoker]

You cannot veto a motion, as outlined in procedures. 6 opposed, 2 in favour of the motion to ammend the Agenda. If this motion does fail with 8 votes, I urge the submitter of the next resolution, the UK, to quickly submit their resolution.

Diotima, I will send/resend. God, this is your replacement, as noted a few pages ago.

Front page updated with player list. Did I miss anyone else who needed replacing?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, if you can find a replacement?

[Leonidas]

Alright. Algeria

votes against

.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Pakistan votes against

Pakistan also puts his feet on the table, closes his eyes, falls asleep and dreams of sheep.

[mathcam]

*nudges PB*

Cam

[PolarBoy]

MUNSCM 003:

Noting that allowing the axis to know what nation is protected allows them to attack with impunity.

Also noting that allowing the axis to know which nation is investigated gives them an optimal target.

Further noting that not allowing the council to know confuses debate.

1. Requires that MABM be sent to a nation randomly selected by the chair.

2. Requires that weapons inspectors be sent to the same nation selected for MABM protection.

3. Requires that inspection report be sent to another nation randomly selected by the chair.

4. Requires that both nations selected have veto power.

5. Requires that selections by the chair be announced to council the day after and no sooner.

Submitted by the delegate from the United Kingdom.

[mathcam]

I second the motion and speak in favour: This proposition was the result of the deliberations of the caucus. Those active in this process reached consent that the procedures outlined in this proposition would minimze the possibilities of having no information tomorrow, and at the same time minimizing the potential for the axis to interfere.

In addition to all this is the fact that we have to do something with our powers, and this seems just as good as anything. Let's get this game moving.

Germany

[cuban smoker]

The motion to ammend the Agenda fails.

Thank you delegate from the UK for submitting resolution 003.

Thank you delegate from Germany for seconding the resolution.

The speaker's list is now open

Germany is the current Speaker. All delegates may ask points of information of the speaker.

[ZONEACE]

The delegate from the Phillipines would like to speak against the resolution

[cuban smoker]

melchizedek is replacing DP, delegate from Pakistan, effective immediately.

Delegate from the Phillipines, I will add you to the speaker's list, but at this point you do not need to specify your position. You don't even need a position. Unlike an ammedment, or motion.

[cuban smoker]

Well, there seems to be no interest in this speaker, so I will ask the delegate from Germany to step down, and call upon the next delegate on the speaker's list, the delegate from the Phillipines.

[mathcam]

*steps down*

Germany

[ZONEACE]

so its my turn right?

[mathcam]

I'm pretty sure.

Cam

[ZONEACE]

Ok then i will speak.

My biggest problem with the resolution the both the MABM and the weapons inspectors going to veto nations. The best thing we can do is diversify. I like the idea of the MABM going to a veto nation but i think that weapons inspectors whould be sent to a non-veto nation, with everything still at random. It just seems horribly unbalanced if the mafia had a veto nation. I dont see any of the big 5 being members of the Axis of Evil. We should limit (not the word i want to use but cant think of a better word right now) out inspections to the lesser nations, the ones with less clout.
I support this resolution except for the parts I have outlined above.


Getting rid of line 4 entirely i feel is the best course of action. It wold be better if both nations were random instead of both nations definately being in the group of 5. that is all for now.
The delgate from the philipines steps down.

[cuban smoker]

That brings us to the end of the speaker's list. Any delegate who wishes to speak may add themselves to the speakers list, and then speak immediately.

In 24 hours, if there are no new speakers, I will close debate on this resolution, and we will vote on it.

[shadyforce]

The delegate from Chile requests to be added to the speakers' list.

Noting an absense of other names on the list and in anticipation of recognition from the chair, and for the purposes of peeding up the discussion, the delegate from Chile will begin speaking immediately.

I do not see a problem with line 4 and feel it should remain. I strongly feel that there is every possibility of their being corrupt nations having a veto vote and these nations should be dealt with first as they have more power than other nations without the power of veto.

One problem I have is with line 3.

Is it not possible for the results of the investigation to be announced to everyone? If so then surely it would be better if all the nations know who is innocent in case they are nuked at the end of the meeting. If we feel they will be in danger of being attaked at night, then surely the following would be better suited:

3. Requires that inspection report be kept by the chair and only revealed publicly if the nation discovered was guilty or if the nation is under threat to being nuked by agreement from the member nations.

Perhaps someone could point out something I may be missing in a POI.

[PolarBoy]

point of informaton directed at the chair: For the purposes of this game, does the chair receive the result of the investigation?

[melchizedek]

Point Of Information to the speaker: Doesn't moving the MABM to that country protect them from being nuked?

[EnPaceRequiescat]

POI to the speaker: if the investigation is random, wouldn't it be safe to randomly protect any nation (veto or non-veto)? Since by confining the protection to the veto country being inspected, we're leaving all the non-veto countries at risk.

[shadyforce]

@mel: I meant being nuked in subsequent nights due to their confirmed innocence.

@EnPace: Yes, I agree that is a tricky issue. However, I feel it is worth it to have only good nations with Veto powers as they will have tremendous power over the remaining corrupt nations without veto power and from such a situation, I believe victory is nearly ensured.

*Awaits the chair's response to PB's POI*

[cuban smoker]

The chair recognizes the delegate from Chile as the speaker.

Delegate from the United Kingdom, assuming Resolution 003 were to pass, the chair would NOT, for the purposes of the game, have access to the investigation result. Instead, the report would be sealed until delivered to the chosen country.

Delegates may continue to ask POIs of the speaker, and delegates may continue to request to be added to the speaker's list.

Please note the additional resolutions added to the agenda on the first page.

[melchizedek]

The delegate from Pakistan moves to Close Dabate on the current resolution.

I see no problems with the resolution as it stands now. It was developed over time and with the support of most of the players. The objection of the delegate from Chile, while significant, is unable to be countered by our current plan. Perhaps there would be reason to protect anyone found innocent, which should be included in the plans for later days, not necessarily for today.

[cuban smoker]

Thank you delegate from Pakistan for making that motion and speaking in favour.

We require one speaker against this motion to close debate. You may speak immediately.

All delegates should begin voting on this motion to close debate. You may not abstain.