Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[Bogre]

Vote: Kirbyfreak

Kirby golf is the shit!

[Bogre]

I don't believe no lynch would be of any benefit here.

If you are looking to see if the scum have the vig or not by looking to see if there was a night kill, there is nothing stopping the vig, if he is scum, from withholding that kill. Then the town has confusion. Plus, whatever Pariah's 'bastardization' is will affect someone. Maybe that means a pro-town role will be nerfed, who knows. If someone else has a clue what the bastardization might entail, please offer your thoughts on that.

Simply put, IMO we'll learn a lot more from a lynch today than we'll be able to know by a no lynch tomorrow.

[Bogre]

There is actually a role that bastardizes/unbastardizes players, looking at the roles. Apparantly the Genealogist reverses the status of the player when he targets them.

[Bogre]

FOS Shadowlurker

Role speculation is not anti-town in this game. Trying to speculate about -who- has which role very well might be at this point.

But take this hypothetical situation: Player A is the genealogist, B is the bastard patrol, C is a vanilla.

C pressures A, believing him to be scum. After the day ends with say another lynch, A bastardizes C. B investigates C the next night, finding out he's been bastardized.

Then he can use that knowledge. Say that A is scum, player C has a lot more information about it. Say C is townie. He claims day four at LYLO, and is counterclaimed by an evil scum. C can use his knowledge about the probability of A being who he says he is to help the town.

And especially trying to figure out what bastardization entails...that is gonna be a big part of this game IMO.

[Bogre]

Shadowlurker...did you even read my post? You completely misconstrued the first part. (Reading back, I did make a mistake in my example, its supposed to be B uses his knowledge, not C. yeah, correct on that point, thanks for pointing it out.)

Proper hypothetical situation revised to remove confusion:

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Player A is the genealogist, B is the bastard patrol, C is a vanilla.

C pressures A, believing him to be scum. After the day ends with say another lynch, A bastardizes C. B investigates C the next night, finding out he's been bastardized.

Then he can use that knowledge. Say that A is scum, player C has a lot more information about it. Say C is townie. He claims day four at LYLO, and is counterclaimed by an evil scum. B can use his knowledge about the probability of A being who he says he is to help the town.
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And yes, Shadowlurker, that knowledge is not sound. There are plenty of stuff that can get in the way or confuse. But thats the case with any kind of intuitive guessing a player makes in Mafia games. But -combined- with reading the game, analyzing posts and votes, and everything else, it could be very useful.

Speculating about the roles -functions- is not anti-town. You're trying to say I outright contradicted myself in two sentences, when I didn't. I said speculating -who- the roles belong to is antitown. Not their function.

Your OMGUS looks pretty scummy to me, by the way. Maybe you misread my post. Possible. Thats why I don't have a vote sitting on you right now. But if you continue to support your reasons for voting me after reading this post, I'll know where to put it because those reasons are very wrong.

[Bogre]

FOS: Zindaras

Saying someone is useless because they aren't posting and is an okay lynch is not good. We're trying to lynch scum, not someone who isn't posting. To fix the problem of the non-posting, we need a prod or a replace...thats how we need to solve that problem, not with a lynch.

If he's lurking it might be a different case, anyone know if he's posting actively in other games?

[Bogre]

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.

I don't see how this could cause any counterclaims.

Let's say my role isn't the Insane Cop, but I suddenly start getting investigations that I suspect are reversed. No matter which faction I'm fighting for, I'm not going to claim to be the Insane Cop (if I'm ever forced to claim), but my original role, bastardized--if I'm mafia, because I don't want to force the 1-1 trade that would result, and if I'm town, because I don't want to cause random chaos.

Wait, what the heck? How would you "randomly" start getting investigations if you aren't the Insane Cop?
Did anyone else just think this post made no sense at all?

Bastardization, perhaps?

[Bogre]

Theman, you could have clarified what you meant when you posted about bandwagonning in the endgame...cause its not all that common of a tactic.

[Bogre]

Yowch, Fritz prodded me.

Shadowlurker, why did you want the deadline taken away?

[Bogre]

Uhm, okay guys I am back, sorry for the absence but I've been super busy. Will try to fit in a reread over the past pages.

[Bogre]

TheManHimself- Since I'm not voting for you this may be innacurate but I think you are under suspicious because you made a few votes without much reasoning behind them and because you went from thinking I was scum with Nai to thinking I was protown unusually quickly. Your lack of anger at being accused bothers me; in my experience townies usually get annoyed when people vote for them; scum on the other hand stay calm. Like you. you get a

fos

for that; would you like to explain your attitude?

???? Thats really not logical. Everyone gets annoyed when people vote for them. You can't say only scum remain calm, because its the -player- that remains calm, not based on role. Townies can be calm too.

[Bogre]

Mayhem, I think themanhimself is looking scummiest, for the sheer reason that he is lurking and hasn't posted in a while. An explanation and post from him will probably remove that suspicion. As for least scummiest, it would have to be Nai, though I really haven't had any strong feelings any way yet for anyone.

[Bogre]

Yay Spectrumvoid!

Bogre- That's a bit hypocritical, isn't it? You've been lurking at least as much as themanhimself. Unless you think your lurking is different somehow. I agree with you about Nai though.

I've been rarely on the site for the past couple of weeks.

[Bogre]

Chamber...uhm...stating reasons is kind of important in this game, IMO. Then we know it isn't scumwaggonning and that you've thought out your vote before putting it on.

[Bogre]

FOS: Chamber

And I find that scummy.

[Bogre]

FOS: Chamber

And I find that scummy.

I can point you to several ongoing games where I was lynched day 1 as town for people finding it scummy.

Then you need to play better. Right now you could be scum claiming your playstyle just gets you lynched a lot and makes you look scummy.

[Bogre]

Unvote

Thesp, I agree that SL and Mayhem are looking like a pair of scum, but could you explain why you think SL is a better lynch today? Is it the possibility of taking out a more powerful scumrole? Because I still think Mayhem has a higher likelihood of being scum, while SL looks still suspicious, but not quite as suspicious.

M4yhem, however, crossed the line from 'scumhunting' into pushing accusations around like candy quite some time ago, and so I'm willing to take out the person who is probably more likely scum than SL, and then try SL tomorrow.

Albeit the difference between SL and M4yhem isn't that great, and both look scummy right now, so I could go either way.

And I think the next three likely scum are Chamber (either stupid townie or he's trying a trick), Fritzler (still lurking), and a slight possibility that Thesp could be scum (Just acknowledging that he could be tossing his buddies under the bus.)

[Bogre]

Ahh. Good thinking.

Vote: Shadowlurker

[Bogre]

Okay, Nai and spectrum...just because their hasn't been a counterclaim doesn't mean shit. In all likelihood, M4yhem -is- the cop. He can STILL BE SCUM. However, SL also looks like scum to me because of his interaction with Mayhem and towards others. Nai's also looking suspicious because of his hangup over the cop claim thing.

[Bogre]

Ok. Claiming math teacher still doesn't mean you aren't scum, Mayhem. Your scum objective would be to get the doc or cop to claim (a good scum objective, don't you think?), and then your benefit might be getting them bastardized or having them roleblocked that night plus your knowledge to kill them.

You flip flopped with SL in scumminess, but can we have a vote count? Can the town agree that mayhem's a good lynch for today?

1. He's not the cop, thus the reason why SL is a better lynch is negated.
2. Can still be scum.
3. He lied.

[Bogre]

I'm a very cautious player of this game. You act too fast, throw votes around, you might see a quicklynch where its not needed. And since I was lacking time when I posted that, I didn't peruse the backlogs to find votes. I know its somewhere close. Say I had placed my vote right then. If he's -1, the day would end and right now I think there's still some planning to do for tomorrow.

I.e. possible useful actions for the cleric/genealogists/etc, and discuss the possibility of who is the most scummiest to determine who would be a good target for a roleblock, etc.

[Bogre]

I don't like that Bogre is trying to say that we should guide the Genealogist's and Cleric's movements. They should do their own thing, if they are town, and avoid being outted until they have something worth saying.

I'm not saying we should out them AT ALL.

I'm saying some suggestions should be thrown out there for them to consider along with whatever decisions they're making themselves.

[Bogre]

Vote: Shadowlurker

For the -1.

[Bogre]

Vote: Themanhimself

You omgus'd pretty hard there and were getting defensive.

[Bogre]

I'm here guys.

[Bogre]

Thesp, who else have you bastardized?

[Bogre]

Thesp, who else have you bastardized?

That's all. Are you the roleblocker?

Nope.

[Bogre]

Howdy guys, cleric here.

So far I've asked three questions, but I'm wondering whether I've been bastardized or not. Let me first say I was doubtful of my role being synonomous with a coprole, and my results last night made me fairly certain of that.

Night 1 I asked if the vigilante was mafia-aligned, and I was told, 'Not likely'

Night 2, I asked if the inventor had given anything away, and was told, 'Don't count on it.'

Night 3, I tried to see if I could try acting as a cop, and I asked if Nai was scum, and received the result 'Try asking again tomorrow.'

[Bogre]

Nai, that was a modkill I believe. Not a vig or a lynch.

[Bogre]

If it was not bastardized, he’d get his answers from an 8-Ball.

You bastard.

[Bogre]

/in orbII