Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

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I like this setup. It has a lot of good things about it.

Vote: chamber

He wasn't nice to me over AIM.

Sorry, but who are you over aim?
oh and

vote twomz

, for stealing my omgus

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Since I havnt posted in here for far too long.

Vote: theman

Imo the last couple posts of his haven't seemed like they were coming from a town pov .

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I actually thought I had posted in here earlier today, but it seems I didnt, must have not hit send or something... Anyway all I said was that I was happy with my current vote, not much going on atm for me to comment on but if anyone wants me to comment on anything feel free to ask.

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Alright. I've finally done my readthrough, my sincerest apologies for my absence. Now, for the good stuff.

M4yhem, Nai, and ShadowLurker are scum. I could vote for any of them interchangeably.

help im a bug/spectrumvoid should not be lynched today. That's silly. If he is scum, it's only because M4yhem is scum with him, but I think M4yhem is scum without him.

M4yhem shows classic scum-self-destruct tendencies, Nai's posting has been way way way off, beyond terrible, and horribly scummy to me, and ShadowLurker gives off too many minor tells for me not to put him in that group as well.

Vote: M4yhem.

I will vote anyone else on my list to get their lynch, but I see a M4yhem lynch as providing the most information.

Could you post actual posts so people could answer to them? The only thing Nai has done that is remotely suspicious is that unvote thing which leaves a bad taste in my mouth but is minor. M4yhem I've been undecided about the actual content of his posts, but his activity is protown in my opinion.

Also, finding buddies is usually disastrous without anyone of them being confirmed scum yet. I seem to remember reading a game for another game which you did this, voted one of the people on your list and that person ended up being lynched which lost the game while the other WAS scum.

Could we see more posting out of chamber and theman? Fritzler, I'm with SV in that you should post reasoning even if it's not your playing style, lack of providing reasons seems scummy to me although I would like to see a reaction from M4yhem.

M4yhem, Nai, and ShadowLurker are scum. I could vote for any of them interchangeably.

With no evidence against any of us? That's either very bad play, or you as scum trying to lead the town astray.

help im a bug/spectrumvoid should not be lynched today. That's silly. If he is scum, it's only because M4yhem is scum with him, but I think M4yhem is scum without him.

Genius. I've been trying to get help lynched for most of the day. Of course I'm not scum with him, now her. I’m not scum with anyone.

M4yhem shows classic scum-self-destruct tendencies,

Explain what that means, please, Thesp because right now it is meaningless to me.

Basically, your accusation at the moment has no basis in anything at all. Do you expect me to defend myself? Cause if you do, you really need to make a case against me first.

Vote:Thesp

for peddling pointless, baseless accusations as fact. Random voting is over, Thesp. Still, at least the game is interesting now.

Vote: m4yhem

Hi!

Demanding cases? pshh you both -are- scum!

unvote vote: M4yhem

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Thesps post pointing fingers at the three doesn't really make me that suspicious of them... BUT... when all three of the accused take on an "OMGUS THAT'S PUER CRAPELOGIC!" attitude, and all three go straight into survival mode, it makes me think he's onto something.

unvote, vote: Mayhem

Hammah when ready captain.

qft

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I'm still not seeing the m4yhem lynch, but I do agree that his lynch will give us a lot of info about the alignment of other players. I disagree with the 'we should catch stupid townies' comment. In fact, I was the one who gave that argument in newbi #355, and was lynched because of it. We should lynch scum, never townies.

And if you want to point out stupid townies, I think chamber is another one of them. He said 2 people are scum for demanding cases. @Chamber: It's necessary to give reasons. I discussed this a lot in mini charmed mafia, so ignorance is no excuse. If you still choose to play this way, either you're a stupid townie, or you're scum.

I find thesp's lynch-hungriness disturbing. It's only been 12 pages, day one. And people are contributing, it isn't as if the game is going nowhere.

Calling me stupid because we disagree isn't very nice. As long as you understand that I am town(ad that I am right), its not so bad.

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I think a stupid townie lynch is good, because stupid townies tend to be destructive towards the town. Their actions make it dangerous for any townie to be safe with, for instance, votes and starting bandwagons that really have no backing at all in facts. Starting a bandwagon without reason and getting people to follow you into the bandwagon BEFORE giving good reasons is VERY bad for the town. It only helps the Scum.

So the question is: Help the scum by following the stupid townie (and, chances are, you'll follow again), or help the scum ONCE by killing the stupid townie with a chance of that townie actually being scum.

See this is complete bs. You could instead IGNORE the stupid townie, and jsut never follow him. Of course if this is at all aimed at me, Im nto a stupid townie, and always have reasons for attacking people, I just don't like stating them. Now if we could get on with the m4yhem lynch everything would be perfect.

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Chamber...uhm...stating reasons is kind of important in this game, IMO. Then we know it isn't scumwaggonning and that you've thought out your vote before putting it on.

And I disagree.

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FOS: Chamber

And I find that scummy.

I can point you to several ongoing games where I was lynched day 1 as town for people finding it scummy.

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Does that tell you nothing? That you get lynched for it? It shows that what you are doing looks scummy and you aren't helping anyone.

Just because people thought I wasn't helpfull doesn't make it so. Scum tells should be dynamic, not everyone makes the same ones and assuming I'm scum because I'm acting like some other guy does when he's scum is what's actually stupid.

[chamber]

his status in my LOS.

vote: Chamber

Just because he's done that in other games doesn't mean that he isn't scum in this one.

Nor does it mean I am scum.

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First of all, I'm not defending M4yhem at all. I'm not defending HIM, I'm accusing his attacker. There's a big difference. I don't know about M4yhem's alignment, I have no suspicions about him, but I DO know that Thesp's attack has craplogic written all over it.

Also, Chamber, saying "I've played like this countless times, was lynched for it, and was townie" is just about the scummiest thing I can see anyone doing. It gives a GOOD excuse for scum to play like scum and assume they won't get nailed for it.

See, heres your problem, you're assuming there is one way all scum play again.

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Regardless of Mayhem's alignment... i'm probably going after Shadowlurker tomorrow... just a warning. I must also point out that Thesp may be throwing scumbuddies under the bus (if the people he's pointed out turn up scum), so he's actually more likely to go up on my scumlist if they turn up scum, than if they turn up townie.

And now you'll go up on my list if they turn up scum.

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That is one heck of a strange post from Twomz, and I do not like it at all.

*notes that even though zindaras had already posted once after twomz, he waits untill other say something to point out how werid twomz's post was*

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Reasons I find people scummy:
using logic
posting reasons
asking for reasons

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Wow. So Chamber thinks people are scum for trying to play intelligently. Fantastic.

Actually those are just pro-mafia actions I wish people wouldn't do, but since the mafia have convinced everyone that it's pro town to use them I don't really consider them tells. If I gave away my tells they wouldn't work anymore :teach:

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so, why is everyone unvoting m4yhem?

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Fritzler-Thanks.

Here's my real roleclaim. I'm the mathematics professor. At the start of the day Pariah told me I had to get the cop or doc to claim, and then get the whole town to vote no lynch. If I do this something happens. I'm guessing it's good for the town because otherwise the game would be unbalanced. If I don't manage to do this, I get fired, which is probably bad for me.

All you have to do to test my claim is

unvote, vote:no lynch

LOL

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Yeah, I'll come out and say that I'm the vig. I shot nai. I have no idea why his alignment/role didn't show up -.-.

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??????????? W T F? Chamber... why on earth did you just claim?

I thought it relevent to clarify it was the vigs kill, not the mafias kill that stopped alignment form showing. Had it been the mafias kill we could have assumed nai was innocent, while it being my kill we still don't know.

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Yes I did hit thesp, and it would seem I AM bastardized after all .

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Nai is indeed alive.

Care to explain what is going on Nai?

I believe it would be that I am currently basterdized and only remove people for a day instead of kill ing them.

@ town I killed nai cause I thought he might be scum, same for thesp. Now that we know I dont really 'kill' I should point out that either could still be scum, and that I'm still suspicious of nai. Vote:nai.

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You're the one flapdoodling, do you feel then, that thesp would also have such an evention stopping the reveal of his character on death? because its the only reason I see that both would not be revealed on dead. On the other hand if they are comming back to life both not being revealed makes sence. I think I'm going to kill you tonight just so I dont have to listen to you for a day.

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he should ALSO have told us who he was going to kill night 2.

Why?

[chamber]

I'd rather not die yet, and since themanhimslef is the other guy up on the block, and because I found him distruptive today

Vote:themanhimself

[chamber]

I tried to kill myself, as twomz requested, but was role blocked.

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Chamber... lol, you can't be serious. That's awesome if it's true.

I am being 100% serious.

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I really did target myself. w/e.

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I just had a thought. Nai, you said you didn't get back untill the following morning correct? As in you didn't have a chance to use a kill? This could confirm you and be the reason there was no mafia kill last night. ie thesp was removed from the game at the time.

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Or, if you are being honest about being roleblocked, perhaps YOU didn't get a chance to use your kill last night.

I know the mafia kill not getting used has nothing to do with me being role blocked, so I search for other explinations.

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I can confirm that I saw a sign that said "player can not vote for a player with more then two votes" as I passed out. (I got role blocked by being hit over the head)

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If im not dead (I dont know not folowing the vote count). I've never known thesp to be an awsome player, but he came in here nailing two scum, I thought he was busing, simple as that.

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I knew I was screwed once I found out my kills didnt kill, meh.