Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[ShadowLurker]

Crap, I'm horrible at twister.

[ShadowLurker]

Vote: M4yhem for being the only person playing to have a number in his name.

[ShadowLurker]

Ahh crap. Sorry mod, won't happen again =\

Unvote

Vote: M4yhem

[ShadowLurker]

Why switch? Bethelmark and Fritzler have both posted the same: nothing.

[ShadowLurker]

Or he could just be busy, it seems really early for prods.

[ShadowLurker]

Well, bandwagoning someone usually gets a suitable reaction which will give us something to go on. I'd only want to NL if it seems that bandwagoning people hasn't helped at all. If we randomly lynched, the play would be NL but we don't random lynch.

[ShadowLurker]

Well obviously the claim won't help, but we can look at the reaction of the player before he claims. Also, the claim still matters because we would probably want an important role to act more scummy than an unimportant role before a lynch. However, I'm not saying No Lynch is an option but what do we do tommorow even if we have an odd number? While our probability if we random lynch is slightly better, we still have nothing really to go on because as you say, people can claim freely. And if the cop claims Day 2 to actually give us information, it'd be dumb because it's an easy target for mafia in the night.

[ShadowLurker]

Zind: We didn't suggest a mass claim, we were talking about the no lynch option. Once again, what we're looking for is the reaction of the player this time. He can still drop scumtells before he claims his role and we're not going to be everyone claim, that's pointless.

[ShadowLurker]

I almost wanted to minor FoS Twomz for thata but since it is Open Role and we are being Bastardized, I thought he may have a point.

I still don't want to NL immediately though as once again, lynches definitely shouldn't be random.

[ShadowLurker]

Could we get more posting in general? Like, from people that have just posted once? That'd be great.

Seconded.

[ShadowLurker]

I don't see right now how you guys speculating on roles is helping the town. It may help out when someone claims it but right now, it's just giving scum potential ideas on which roles may be the best and which ones they should try to off first =\

[ShadowLurker]

FOS Shadowlurker

Role speculation is not anti-town in this game. Trying to speculate about -who- has which role very well might be at this point.

I think I'm going to

Unvote

and

Vote: Bogre

. If claims are definitely anti town, then how the heck would speculating who has what role not be anti town?

But take this hypothetical situation: Player A is the genealogist, B is the bastard patrol, C is a vanilla.

C pressures A, believing him to be scum. After the day ends with say another lynch, A bastardizes C. B investigates C the next night, finding out he's been bastardized.

Then he can use that knowledge. Say that A is scum, player C has a lot more information about it. Say C is townie. He claims day four at LYLO, and is counterclaimed by an evil scum. C can use his knowledge about the probability of A being who he says he is to help the town.

And especially trying to figure out what bastardization entails...that is gonna be a big part of this game IMO.

Umm.. C wouldn't know he's been bastardized, would he? And also, he could've been bastardized from the beginning of the game. Also, A can also unbastardize people. You just picked a very specific case out of mililons. How do you even know Day 4 will be LYLO? I think you made this post merely to confuse people.

[ShadowLurker]

Ugh, I read this quote:

Trying to speculate about -who- has which role very well might be at this point.

As saying that we should speculate who has which role to help us.

That's why I voted you. Since I obviously read that wrong, I'm going to

Unvote

and wait for other people to talk so I can see who I should stick it on

[ShadowLurker]

Just because "that's how he always plays" doesn't mean he isn't scum. I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying that's not a legit defense. Of course if that really is how he always plays then you can't say he must be scum becasue he's playing like that.

[ShadowLurker]

I don't really see how Zindaras is guilty for that post. I do see however, a bit how M4yhem could be guilty. Both reasons are not strong at all and any votes at this stage of the game and are only going to pressure someone, they aren't serious lynch votes.

[ShadowLurker]

It's been said multiple times he hasn't been as active in the rest of his games either.

[ShadowLurker]

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.

I don't see how this could cause any counterclaims.

Let's say my role isn't the Insane Cop, but I suddenly start getting investigations that I suspect are reversed. No matter which faction I'm fighting for, I'm not going to claim to be the Insane Cop (if I'm ever forced to claim), but my original role, bastardized--if I'm mafia, because I don't want to force the 1-1 trade that would result, and if I'm town, because I don't want to cause random chaos.

Wait, what the heck? How would you "randomly" start getting investigations if you aren't the Insane Cop?
Did anyone else just think this post made no sense at all?

[ShadowLurker]

But the fact is, we don't know they're bastardized.

Like I said, I believe right now it is pointless to speculate about what bastardization does cause it could be anything.

[ShadowLurker]

3) Nai is town, Mayhem is town. In this situation, Mayhem, for reasons based on the posts (as we haven't had a night yet), would have to have come to the unshakable conclusion that Nai is town. I find this very unlikely for him to do day 1, no matter his role.

You don't have to be absolutely sure someone is to defend them. If you think they aren't the play, you will defend them. I don't see how you drew the conclusion M4yhem is 100% sure Nai is town from those few sentences defending Nai. What did you want him to do instead? Make a half assed defense that would cover his tracks if Nai was town and if Nai was scum? That would get him lynched for sure.

And yeah, you're going to think I'm scum for this post because I'm attacking you and "defending" scum.

[ShadowLurker]

This may sound strange, but the vibes I'm getting are that both of them are town. This looks to be mostly an understanding all because a bad reason was used at first to vote for someone

[ShadowLurker]

I've never played with theman before and I was thinking of voting him because I didn't like his post at all but I decided to keep my random vote and wait for other people to comment.

[ShadowLurker]

Well, as town Fritz has a good gut feeling. As scum, he'll usually try to throw his scumbuddies under the bus in order to make himself look better. So, most of the time following Fritz is a good idea. (also, it's a good way to get conversation going)

What about vote hopping then? He's voted for 2 people.

[ShadowLurker]

HIAB, Care to explain then?

[ShadowLurker]

Erm... wouldn't you be voting for chamber, not me?

What does chamber have to do with anything? He hasn't even posted in like 3 days.

Umm.. your post just clarified your position on a question Twomz asked but instead, you attacked chamber's point of voting you. Then you turn around and vote Twomz who already has a couple votes therefore bandwagoning?

You seem to be making no sense at all and voting Twomz for a bad reason.

FoS: theman

[ShadowLurker]

I'll help you since I just realized I'm not voting anyone, just FoSing people.

Vote: theman

[ShadowLurker]

I think we may need some mod prods as I've been checking this topic daily waiting for people like HIAB to respond.

[ShadowLurker]

..................................

From not explaining his votes and strange behavior on votes to trusting M4yhem? :/

[ShadowLurker]

*Requests deadline to be taken away*

This is ridicolous. While I don't think inactivity is necessary lurking, this is out of hand, I think we should apply pressure to some of the people who need prods.

[ShadowLurker]

Yowch, Fritz prodded me.

Shadowlurker, why did you want the deadline taken away?

Umm.. isn't it obvious? Discussion helps town and a deadline (lynch) ends that. We haven't had much discussion recently because of a couple of people, we should give them time to respond or if they're inactive, find a replacement.

[ShadowLurker]

Addressing twomz's arguments.
1) You were the one who suggested that blindly following a bandwagon, was a good tactic at all. I think it is only useful when you have cleared townies, and therefore less question of bias. Something which is really only acheieved in the end game.

On day 1, what really do you have to go on? Shameless bandwagoning and looking at their

reactions

is the best thing to do in most player's opinions. You say shameless bandwagoning should only be done in the endgame, in the endgame, you have a whole game of scumtells. It would be stupid to bandwagon then.

4)Sometimes deadlines are a good idea. Especially when accusations are flying everywhere. It was just an opinion. Not a particularly good reason for a vote.

Sure, we'll just let the deadline come without HIAB saying one word shall we?

[ShadowLurker]

Hiab is at 2 votes. Theman at 4. Hiab is not in any imminent danger.

However, many people are waiting for HIAB to comment just because he hasn't been posting and theman has.

[ShadowLurker]

However, many people are waiting for HIAB to comment just because he hasn't been posting and theman has.

Yes. Hiab can also just say nothing and let theman die, as we'll be deadlined.

Yes but the odds are if he does that, most people (me included) will switch their vote from theman to HIAB.

[ShadowLurker]

? Erm, unvoting to give a replacement time to reread the thread and post at least once isn't exactly scummy behavoir imo.

I never quite understood it myself. Nobody's going to speedlynch the replacement before he gets the chance to post. Hiab is 5 votes away from a lynch.

There's no actual need to get your votes off.

I'm agreeing with Zind here. Also, just becasue he is replaced doesn't mean you shuold ignore the pre-replacement actions. It would be foolish and practically impossible for five people to randomly jump on HIAB and lynch him. Plus, if the replacement is already under pressure, we can see a better reaction

And Pariah, I'm asking again for the deadline to be taken away please. Two people left and one posted in V/LA plus, we need to give time for replacements to reread the thread

[ShadowLurker]

I'm unvoting for the time being. If needed, I'll re-vote. However, with the deadline looming, there was no reason to continue voting HIAB/replacement, as he wasn't scummy enough to warrent a lynch yet. Just enough to have a vote from me for being an idiot.

Umm.. what? You say he wasn't scummy enough to warrant a vote. But then right in the NEXT sentence you say he was just idiotic/scummy enough to warrant a vote. Can you please rephrase this? I still have no idea where the heck you're going with this

[ShadowLurker]

I said he wasn't scummy enough to warrent a lynch, yet scummy enough to warrent a vote. Meaning I wanted a reason why he was being such an idiot about voting for me for no reason at all, however I didn't think, at that point, that he was truly scum.

So why unvote if he was scummy enough to warrant a vote? It's not like any of the points against him have been addressed at all. The replacement hasn't said anything and neither had he. If no lynch is so bad, why would you be unvoting?

[ShadowLurker]

Since when does 2 people make a bandwagon?

I'm pursuing this beyond proportion but I do not like your reasoning at all at the moment.

[ShadowLurker]

From what I'm seeing, there's 4 people voting for TheMan since last vote count, and none of those people have unvoted, to my knowledge.

But you weren't voting for theman, you were voting for HIAB so it's completely irrelevant.

So let me go over this again: I was voting for HIAB for largely being an idiot, which he's done before in another game that I was in. I left the vote on because I wanted an explanation. He's being replaced, so I unvoted.

So what I gather here is that you don't want an explanation now that he's replaced?

And I don't want to have fingers pointed at me if people jump ship from TheMan bandwagon at deadline and HIAB/replacement gets killed because my vote's still there. Capiche?

I would actually consider you less suspicious if a lot of people suddenly jumped on HIAB from the man and more suspicious of the jumpers.

[ShadowLurker]

I really don't understand why ShadowLurker and Zindaras are making a big deal of this. What's the point keeping a vote on someone when they're being replaced? I wanted HIAB to talk and thought his lack of talking was scummy. Obviously, if he's being replaced then his silence has nothing to do with the game at all. Plus, I don't want to put someone under pressure as soon as they get here. It's not friendly.

But it's the best way to get a reaction right off the bat while they are still fresh.

And I find this topic dull and unproductive.

Can we start talking about who is scum again?TheManHimself, at four votes, don't you have anything game related to say? Thesp, you there? Got anything for us?

Not like we have a lot of other things to talk about, it's better than just waiting around for the replacement to post. I certaintly would if I could, while I don't necessarily consider what Nai did scummy, I will note it when we have more information.

[ShadowLurker]

Ugh, Thesp, could you make this game first priority? There is nothing to go on because everybody is waiting for the replacements (expect for theman who needs an argument out of Twomz) to comment on things. One of them has registration troubles, one of them is out of town, it's getting a bit ridicolous. =/

[ShadowLurker]

I agree, the activity is BS.

I hope SV can help us pick it up.

[ShadowLurker]

Alright. I've finally done my readthrough, my sincerest apologies for my absence. Now, for the good stuff.

M4yhem, Nai, and ShadowLurker are scum. I could vote for any of them interchangeably.

help im a bug/spectrumvoid should not be lynched today. That's silly. If he is scum, it's only because M4yhem is scum with him, but I think M4yhem is scum without him.

M4yhem shows classic scum-self-destruct tendencies, Nai's posting has been way way way off, beyond terrible, and horribly scummy to me, and ShadowLurker gives off too many minor tells for me not to put him in that group as well.

Vote: M4yhem.

I will vote anyone else on my list to get their lynch, but I see a M4yhem lynch as providing the most information.

Could you post actual posts so people could answer to them? The only thing Nai has done that is remotely suspicious is that unvote thing which leaves a bad taste in my mouth but is minor. M4yhem I've been undecided about the actual content of his posts, but his activity is protown in my opinion.

Also, finding buddies is usually disastrous without anyone of them being confirmed scum yet. I seem to remember reading a game for another game which you did this, voted one of the people on your list and that person ended up being lynched which lost the game while the other WAS scum.

Could we see more posting out of chamber and theman? Fritzler, I'm with SV in that you should post reasoning even if it's not your playing style, lack of providing reasons seems scummy to me although I would like to see a reaction from M4yhem.

[ShadowLurker]

Thesp, you gave Nai reasons to actually answer and say his motives, but why did you not do the same for me?

Also, chamber, lynching without giving a person an opportunity to defend himself is something scum would want to do obviously. Not giving cases but instead general scummy thoughts could be used as a way to hide misrepresentation (not saying Thesp did it, in general) and so a person cannot defend himself well and speak his motives. Everyone should defend themselves and often, their attempted defense will give off a better telling of scum because if they're giving a defense, they're most likely under pressure.

[ShadowLurker]

M4yhem: I'm starting to see a bit of that self destructive scum when you defend yourself. You are throwing suspicions at EVERYONE. First Thesp is scum, then the follower bandwagoneers are scum, earlier in the game other people were scum, now chamber is scum. It's not like chamber suddenly started acting differently. (except for the actual posting)

Also, please don't sidetrack this game into a discussion of stupid townies/stupid scum. We need to get focused with already two deadlines implemented

[ShadowLurker]

Not Thesp. Nai, who has been openly defending you, neither. I'm looking more at Shadowlurker, who is defending you, but less aggressively than Nai.

So defending townies we think are innocent is now scummy?


Kirbyphreak's latest post just pinged on my scumdar. First of all, M4yhem hasn't even roleclaimed yet and while he could be mafia aligned, it's still good to have a roleclaim first. Second of all, that "in a while" thing makes it sound like Kirby wanted to be on the bandwagon while being like "I gave him a chance to defend." You either vote for him, or you don't vote him, I hate people who sit in the middle.

[ShadowLurker]

Im not just hammering m4yhem because i want a defense. My post is saying he'd better give us something good, like a roleclaim, or he's going down. Also, Thesp was merely saying his opinions. Many of us happen to agree, especially after seeing the three's reactions.

Passing it off ?

Unvote, Vote Kirbyphreak

[ShadowLurker]

First of all, I'm not defending M4yhem at all. I'm not defending HIM, I'm accusing his attacker. There's a big difference. I don't know about M4yhem's alignment, I have no suspicions about him, but I DO know that Thesp's attack has craplogic written all over it.

Notice how I feel ShadowLurker is scummier than you in his defense. Also, attacking the accuser is indirectly defending the defendant.

Yes but there is a reason to attack the accuser if you feel the defendant hasn't done anything.


Also kirby: What exactly are you expecting out of M4yhem?

This is the biggest problem I have with the bandwagon. M4yhem has repeatedly asked Thesp for evidence and Thesp waved that post away saying it amounted to OMGUS. What the heck is M4yhem supposed to defend against if he doesn't know the accusations against him? I also don't like how we have tons of people who don't post at all, and then suddenly pop up to bandwagon. However, people are too hellbent on lynching M4yhem and following Thesp to care about M4yhem asking for reasoning, providing reasoning, or the lurkers.

I will NOT vote for M4yhem.

[ShadowLurker]

I've looked through a lot of Chamber's past games and I've found games where he's acted like that both scum and town. I think all of his games follow that trait in fact.

So his lurking does not mean his scum but his lurking doesn't mean he's town either. The point is moot.

[ShadowLurker]

Regardless of Mayhem's alignment... i'm probably going after Shadowlurker tomorrow... just a warning.

"regardless of M4yhem's alignment"
"just a warning"

Are you joking?

[ShadowLurker]

Passing it off ?

Unvote, Vote Kirbyphreak

More M4yhem defense!

Nice misrepresentation by quoting that post out of context.

M4yhem: I'm starting to see a bit of that self destructive scum when you defend yourself. You are throwing suspicions at EVERYONE. First Thesp is scum, then the follower bandwagoneers are scum, earlier in the game other people were scum, now chamber is scum. It's not like chamber suddenly started acting differently. (except for the actual posting)

This is fits the pattern perfectly of in-thread communication to a fellow scum member.

THIS POST SHOULD SET UP HUGE RED FLAGS FOR PEOPLE.

Maybe becasue it was communication to a townie who's asked in many past posts what you meant by "self-destructing scum." Instead of explaining, you chose to ignore him and still did with that post, I decided to try to answer for you with what I think I meant so he could provide a defense and explain his motives. I don't see how learning motives of somebody is suspicious at all. It helps the whole town make better judgments.

[ShadowLurker]

Passing it off ?

Unvote, Vote Kirbyphreak

More M4yhem defense!

Nice misrepresentation by quoting that post out of context.

When you put it in context, you are deflecting a potential bandwagon for M4yhem by attacking people that may consider getting on it. That's a subtle, devious defense if done by scum. You already know whether or not I think you fit into that category.

I think "deflecting a potential bandwagon" would've been a good play a couple pages ago when you just pointed out your accusations. How the heck is doing that when M4yhem is at 4 votes with another threatening to vote and probably would've if he didn't think he was hammering deflecting a potential bandwagon? The bandwagon is already there, also, I have already said I think M4yhem is innocent. So naturally, I would be defending him, but I have already defended the case against him IMO and am looking at other options now. If I think M4yhem is innocent, someone else must obviously be scum in this game.

M4yhem: I'm starting to see a bit of that self destructive scum when you defend yourself. You are throwing suspicions at EVERYONE. First Thesp is scum, then the follower bandwagoneers are scum, earlier in the game other people were scum, now chamber is scum. It's not like chamber suddenly started acting differently. (except for the actual posting)

This is fits the pattern perfectly of in-thread communication to a fellow scum member.

THIS POST SHOULD SET UP HUGE RED FLAGS FOR PEOPLE.

Maybe becasue it was communication to a townie who's asked in many past posts what you meant by "self-destructing scum." Instead of explaining, you chose to ignore him and still did with that post, I decided to try to answer for you with what I think I meant so he could provide a defense and explain his motives. I don't see how learning motives of somebody is suspicious at all. It helps the whole town make better judgments.

How do you know if he's a townie?

Here's the thing: you're trying to give him an out to rationalize his motives. I think his motives are

already

clear. You are trying to set the stage for him, indicating to him what a better, safer response would be. This does not look like you are trying to find out what he's thinking,

you are trying to feed him what to tell us he's thinking

. This is big time scumalicious, and I've seen scum exhibit this behavior before.

I don't know if he's a townie for sure. But I believe his actions (and another players) have been a virtual echo of my thoughts many times.

And if you read my original post, I was not directing him into anything. If I was, it would've been like "I noticed you did X, why did you do that? Is it because Y? or Z?" All I did was explain the CASE against him to find out his motives. I would like you to point out what safe responses I was goading him into or any evidence of feeding.

[ShadowLurker]

Unvote: m4yhem, Vote: ShadowLurker.

I still think m4yhem is scum, but he's a terrible lynch for today.

Also, I think everyone posting their scum tells is a bad idea, as it tells the scum how not to act so they can avoid getting voted.

Once again, instead of answering points brought against you, or your attack, you choose to do something else.

I think YOU'RE the one deflecting a potential bandwagon which you seem to be accusing other people of doing.

[ShadowLurker]

I don't agree w/ the "we can afford to lose one" mentality, but, I believe he's lying, so it doesn't matter to me either way.

Why do you believe he's lying? There is no point for scum to fake claim in this game, as they could very well be a mafia aligned scum.

I'm sorry, what points are you referring to? If you're referring to your previous post, the extent of what you're saying is, "That's not what I was doing". I think it's clear that regardless of what your intent was, the effect did in fact communicate to M4yhem what a more acceptable response would have been. What you and I are arguing over is whether or not you had pro-town motives for doing so. I don't think you did. You claim you did. I'm not sure what else you're looking for me to say.

You still have not explained HOW anything in my post was communicating anything. I was merely explaining the case against him. If you read the post, that's what you will see.

[ShadowLurker]

I'm sorry, what points are you referring to? If you're referring to your previous post, the extent of what you're saying is, "That's not what I was doing". I think it's clear that regardless of what your intent was, the effect did in fact communicate to M4yhem what a more acceptable response would have been. What you and I are arguing over is whether or not you had pro-town motives for doing so. I don't think you did. You claim you did. I'm not sure what else you're looking for me to say.

You still have not explained HOW anything in my post was communicating anything. I was merely explaining the case against him. If you read the post, that's what you will see.

That's the thing. Let's take a look at the post I'm really concerned with:

M4yhem: I'm starting to see a bit of that self destructive scum when you defend yourself. You are throwing suspicions at EVERYONE. First Thesp is scum, then the follower bandwagoneers are scum, earlier in the game other people were scum, now chamber is scum. It's not like chamber suddenly started acting differently. (except for the actual posting)

Suppose for a moment, you are somehow partnered with M4yhem (either mason or scum), as I believe you are. When you make a post like this one, it signals to M4yhem that maybe the people who are posting about the "self-destructing scum" are onto something, and you are pointing out what part of his activity (namely his suspicion throwing onto multiple people seemingly eedlessly) appears to look like "self-destructing scum". Notice, you don't say you're suspicious of him or anything like that, in fact, I'm not sure what this post would do in any case. You've said you're trying to help a townie explai themselves better, when in fact if he's not townie this tells him exactly how to act so as to appear to be townie. I know if I was scum, and you'd addressed a similar post like this to me, I'd reassess how I was acting and try a different approach. Interestingly enough, this is what happened.

Is this clear enough? I apologize to everyone else who had to read all this, even though they were able to see it.

Still very happy with my ShadowLurker vote, I encourage people to move over here in case M4yhem isn't lynched yet (I haven't counted), ShadowLurker is a

much

better lynch today.

Ok. Now put yourselves in my shoes.

You see someone else get accused along with yourself. There is very little actual grounds for accusation against you or him, just a general gist of what they find suspicious. You see posts from him asking to explain himself and you do the same. They choose to ignore that fact.

So what did I do? I said this probably is what most people find suspicious about you so other people can see his motives. I for one don't find M4yhem that suspicious but the rest of the town does so I'm merely trying to allow him to give a DEFENSE and let other people judge it.

Also, I do not really see a change in behavior in his posts after I said that. He still seems to be acting the same to me. I would like to see what specifically you say has fallen in line with what I have posted?


If I was actually trying to help him, I would've provided a better ALTERNATIVE and not just say the CASE against him.

[ShadowLurker]

Fritzler-Thanks.

Here's my real roleclaim. I'm the mathematics professor. At the start of the day Pariah told me I had to get the cop or doc to claim, and then get the whole town to vote no lynch. If I do this something happens. I'm guessing it's good for the town because otherwise the game would be unbalanced. If I don't manage to do this, I get fired, which is probably bad for me.

All you have to do to test my claim is

unvote, vote:no lynch

LOL

''

Unvote, Vote: M4yhem

[ShadowLurker]

Specifics: I am the town-aligned insane crazy cop. To paraphrase: Every night I send the mod a name, he tells me if they're bad or good and what role they have.

Who did you investigate last night. Also I have some doubts that the mod would have said in your PM that you were insane. That kind of defeats the purpose. Although there is no reason for you to be lying.

Have you even read the rules? Getting ALL these things mixed up is ridicolous
1) Right in the roles it says INSANE cop
2) We started with day



Ugh, looks like I have to throw my LoS out the window. I was sure Nai, M4yhem and SV were town, and thought kirby, Twomz, Thesp, and theman were the most suspicious. Everybody else was in between. Now I may have to recalibrate all that.. =/

M4yhem, if you really are town aligned, then that was one of the STUPIDEST things I have ever seen.

[ShadowLurker]

I'm curious, Zindaras; how would you have done it? This honestly seemed
like the best way to me. When I claimed I thought I was pretty much dead anyway; I just wanted some sort of success.

If you were pretty much dead anyway, you should've known there would be ZERO success.

Also, your idea of success is getting one of the best protown roles rooted out and then getting lynched?

[ShadowLurker]

Methinks SL, m4yhem, TMH be the scum. Just guesses. Also, it seems to me if thats what the math professor is trying to do, we dont want him here anyway. Vote stays.

They're not guesses, they're OMGUSes. Nice putting the only two people who voted for you non randomly next to the obvious scum with zero reasoning.

[ShadowLurker]

Methinks TMH be the scum.

Based on what. We have played several games together. You know my typical style of play. This is it. I say we keep M4yhem around for now, let him give us info tomorrow, and lynch SL today.

Math professors are just as likely to work against us anyway.

Yeah, and now you just got bumped up a notch in our scum list.

Are you actually suggesting we go no lynch to get the info? And then in the NEXT SENTENCE, you say he could be working against us.

[ShadowLurker]

I'm guessing this is twilight or will be pretty soon.

Oh and Thesp, do I win cookies if..
1. Vote Count, still needs to look at votes before making a decision?
2. Asking if the town agrees, read the posts and look at who's voting.
(3) "the town"

[ShadowLurker]

I'm a very cautious player of this game. You act too fast, throw votes around, you might see a quicklynch where its not needed. And since I was lacking time when I posted that, I didn't peruse the backlogs to find votes. I know its somewhere close. Say I had placed my vote right then. If he's -1, the day would end and right now I think there's still some planning to do for tomorrow.

I.e. possible useful actions for the cleric/genealogists/etc, and discuss the possibility of who is the most scummiest to determine who would be a good target for a roleblock, etc.

That would not be a quicklynch at all, and after you place your vote, you still have a bit of time to discuss targets..

Although guiding anything but the vig (and then, only when he's come out, etc.) is bad IMO.

[ShadowLurker]

I still don't like trying to guide roles. Townies should be able to follow their own instincts. A non-confirmed player trying to guide t e roles is very, very scummy, in my opinion.

However, they still have final say on all actions. What people can do are merely suggestions.

[ShadowLurker]

You find

Nai

with a bullet in his forehead. You check his pulse, and find that it has the same beat as "Free Bird" before he finally passes on. Oddly...you

can't discern his alignment or role.

Odd..

Vote: Twomz

After a reread with the knowledge M4yhem is now town. His scumminess has dropped the least out of the people I was suspicious of yesterday.

[ShadowLurker]

EBWOP: "M4yhem is scum" not "M4yhem is now town"

[ShadowLurker]

RAWR!

Vote: ShadowLurker.

OBV OBV OBV

This day doesn't have to last very long.

So you'd rather have a quick day than one where reactions, last minute connections, attempts to defend myself would be made?

Nice.



Well, I'll probably be lynched today, the only people who showed any signs of not thinking me suspicious were M4yhem, Nai, and spectrumvoid, who are all nicely dead.

[ShadowLurker]

LOL

Unvote, Vote Fritz

I am not voting because he got an innocent on me.


1) When Fritz is cop, he ALWAYS checks players he's on the fence with, he never checks players he believs to be protown or scum. So him checking me seems like BS.

2) Fritz could easily be bastardized which could mean he gets opposite results.

[ShadowLurker]

Well you can't really do exact same on this site cause then everybody knows what all the bastardizations do and such.

Also, I think admins can change your username if you ask them.

This game was fun, just wish I bussed M4yhem earlier.