Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[Nai]

I notice that TheMan is agreeing with HIAB, who is also a person that made something up completely with no basis to form a vote.

Wait... Would you look at that... Evidence of scumbuddies!

Funnily enough, I can make a GOOD parody of HIAB's post and be completely facetious at the same time.

[help im a bug]

Please do.

[Nai]

Already did. I find most of your posts this game to be non sequitors. Care to explain?

[ShadowLurker]

This may sound strange, but the vibes I'm getting are that both of them are town. This looks to be mostly an understanding all because a bad reason was used at first to vote for someone

[kirbyphreak]

Id vote theman, but thats his usual play, so it would be like voting fritzler for votehopping.

[ShadowLurker]

I've never played with theman before and I was thinking of voting him because I didn't like his post at all but I decided to keep my random vote and wait for other people to comment.

[M4yhem]

Help- That's pure hypocrisy. You voted for Nai on little to no evidence and then you complain when I vote for you? It's only one vote; it won't kill you. I voted for you because your reasoning on Nai is poor. Do you deny that your reasoning on Nai was poor? If so explain why.
This OMGUS stuff you're coming out with does nothing to make me want to change my vote.

[Pariah]

Vote Count

Nai: (2)

help im a bug, Fritzler

help im a bug: (2)

Nai, M4yhem

M4yhem: (2)

Bethelmark, themanhimself

Zindaras: (1)

Twomz

Kirbyphreak: (1)

Bogre

Twomz: (1)

Chamber

7 to lynch.

[help im a bug]

Help- That's pure hypocrisy. You voted for Nai on little to no evidence and then you complain when I vote for you? It's only one vote; it won't kill you. I voted for you because your reasoning on Nai is poor. Do you deny that your reasoning on Nai was poor? If so explain why.
This OMGUS stuff you're coming out with does nothing to make me want to change my vote.

See previous post.

It's not that you're voting me for

little

reason; that I'd be fine with. It's the specific reason you gave ("stirring things up against Nai") that makes me suspicious.

[Twomz]

Hey, i'm back. Read what I missed. I can't tell if nai/mayham are scumbuddies or if Help is trying to get the town to mislynch them. I suppose either more evidence will come up, or one or more of them will be Nked soon so we'll be able to pick apart the truth then. I'm satisfied w/ my vote for now, although i'm all alone... i'm tempted to follow Fritz... but i'm usually more inclined to follow him when he hops around more frequently. *shrug*

[M4yhem]

Alright, let me explain where I’m coming from here:

Well, claims will help. I don't understand what Twomz means by saying that counterclaims aren't going to help. Just because we know WHAT roles are in this game doesn't mean that a counterclaim does nothing. You treat a counterclaim in this game like a counterclaim in any other game: Lynch the first claimer then, if they're not scum, lynch the other one.

unvote, vote: nai

This is where you first voted for Nai. Note the lack of reasoning; nothing but what seems to me to be a wholly unremarkable quote.

I thought the post I quoted with my vote spoke for itself.

Nai was seriously advocating mass claiming in this situation. I found this unwise at best, scummy at worst.

This is the reason you gave for your vote. Now read the post by Nai you quoted again and then explain to me where he advocates mass claiming in it.

And even if he had advocated mass claiming, how is that scummy, please explain?

Dude, you said "On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles,

if the roles start acting like other roles.

"

It was

your idea

that bastardized roles might mimic others. Don't act like I'm pulling random ideas from thin air.

Then there’s this post. It’s not what you’re saying here, it’s the tone you seem to be saying it in. You sound like you’re accusing Nai of something but I really don’t see what that would be.

*yawn* Arguing that what I said was scummy doesn't mean that what your buddy did wasn't scummy. Quit trying to distract the town.

This is just silly. And arguing that my vote on you was scummy doesn’t make your vote on Nai any less scummy.

Then you conclude I’m scum just because I didn’t like your reasons for voting for Nai. Either you are being lazy with your thinking, which doesn’t help the town, or you are being defensive and making baseless accusations because you’re scum.

It's not that you're voting me for

little

reason; that I'd be fine with. It's the specific reason you gave ("stirring things up against Nai") that makes me suspicious.

Well how do you like my reasons now?

Twomz, according to the votecount you’re not voting for anyone. Do you mean you’re satisfied with not voting?

[Nai]

Mod

: Kirbyphreak had unvoted me in post 113.

Twomz, why would you vote for me, like Fritzler? He made even less of a contribution with that post than HIAB did, as his vote came with NO reasoning, just like his vote on Zindaris. Following a wagon like that is irresponsible. It's like voting for me because of HIAB's reasoning, which is completely erroneus.

[Twomz]

I've found that following Fritz's vote is usually a good day 1 play, regardless of whether he's town or scum. If you still need more clarification I can give it.

[M4yhem]

Yes, please give more clarification.

[Twomz]

Well, as town Fritz has a good gut feeling. As scum, he'll usually try to throw his scumbuddies under the bus in order to make himself look better. So, most of the time following Fritz is a good idea. (also, it's a good way to get conversation going)

[Nai]

I've played with Fritz, and I haven't noticed this. I also don't see why following the vote of scum, as you said, can be a good play. Scum NEVER have the best interest of the Town on their mind. So following their votes is not a good idea. I especially dislike a person that votes without reason. Is smacks of scum to me, mostly because a townie could give a good reason, whereas scum have to make up the reasons most of the time.

[Pariah]

Mod

: Kirbyphreak had unvoted me in post 113.

Ah. Apologies.

Corrected.

[ShadowLurker]

Well, as town Fritz has a good gut feeling. As scum, he'll usually try to throw his scumbuddies under the bus in order to make himself look better. So, most of the time following Fritz is a good idea. (also, it's a good way to get conversation going)

What about vote hopping then? He's voted for 2 people.

[M4yhem]

Twomz - I don't think I'm sold on that idea. When Fritzler is town he's as likely to be wrong as anyone, surely? And when he's wrong, it will be harder to see because he never gives any reasons for his votes.

Fritzler, any comments?

[themanhimself]

I've found that following Fritz's vote is usually a good day 1 play, regardless of whether he's town or scum. If you still need more clarification I can give it.

I can't say I undersand how always following one person's vote is a good idea. Certain situations may call for it, but that's typically an end-game tactic.

[Twomz]

?

unvote, vote: theman

How the heck is blindly following bandwagons an endgame tactic?

There's also the fact that following Fritz usually gets some people to argue why so many people are following Fritz (and other such things, like what's going on right now). And any conversation is good in mafia ^.^b

[kirbyphreak]

Good Points M4yhem.

Vote: HIAB

.

[chamber]

Since I havnt posted in here for far too long.

Vote: theman

Imo the last couple posts of his haven't seemed like they were coming from a town pov .

[help im a bug]

unvote

Saw something that makes me rethink.

[Nai]

What, repeated explanations, disillusionment, and truth?