NY 160: Terrible Melodrama Mafia (Game Over)

[Toon Fighter]

also, @Piggy: Did you crumb your role? Also, can you paraphrase your role PM?

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 1.09

PiggyGal15 (7)- Cletus+Brandine, Untrod Tripod, adorkable, 4nxi3ty, Demon Core, Senjai, DoomYoshi

[L-1]

JacobSavage (5)- Plan B, Toon Fighter, theamatuer, PiggyGal15, RedCoyote
Cletus+Brandine (2) JacobSavage, N
Senjai (1)- Nero Cain

Not voting: No one!

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

V/LA

Half of adorkable- Until the 8th

Deadline

14th November, 6am AEDT

[Plan B]

Yes. I actually agree with 4nx here. My point was that if people are going to use JS’s calling Senji town as a scum tell but not look at 4nx then it looks like selective scumhunting. PlanB had no reason to get snarky.

This is a little dated, but I read your question as a giant strawman of the case on JacobSavage. I don't really get why you'd generalize the question to everyone on the JacobSavage wagon if you weren't trying to kill the wagon.

I really want to hear your stances on PiggyGal15 and JacobSavage before a lynch happens.

Did... did no one catch this? Seriously? Seriously guys? No one caught this? ...scum slip much...?

This has already been addressed, but this is silly, at best, and scummy at worst.

There's no way in hell that was a scum slip on JacobSavage's part - even if he is scum.

You're a problem that'll likely sort itself out, so I'm not willing to hammer you. I'm not even sold on you as Town, though.

this is the kind of paranoid theory that I expect to come more often from town than scum.

I understand your thinking, here, but JacobSavage's comment about you didn't make any sense, to me, at all.

Illuminate me on DoomYoshi, because I'm not really seeing it.

His indignant attitude isn't characteristic of scum.

I don't really agree with calling him indignant. But, he never really buckled under pressure. Just kind of kept going in the same way, not making a whole helluva lot of sense, but not really acting like caught scum, either.

Bleh, I dunno. I hate to think I started two early wagons on Town. It'd be nice to be right.

UNVOTE: JacobSavage
VOTE: Nero Cain

I just can't see why he'd undermine the JacobSavage wagon the way he tried, without a Town read on JacobSavage.

Now, anyone want to lynch JS?

Not so much, anymore.

How about Nero Cain?

[Nero Cain]

Look, I get it that you think you are some hotshot that thinks he knows everything about this game and if we sheep you then town’ll win this without any mislynches. But you don’t and I highly doubt that. There is no

argument

. Maybe you want to argue for some stupid reason. You fill your posts with so much bullshit and you apparently can’t read well enough to even listen to what I’m saying. Just shut up and go back to watching Japanese porn cartoons.

JS defended you for absolutely no reason, and now your defending for absolutely no reason claiming 'selective scumhunting' as your reason. TF was selective scumhunting me for the majority of the early game, does that mean he's scum?

So, if player X thinks player Y is town why should he not say so? What was TF accusing you of that another player did?

@Piggy

What is your read on DemonCore?

Town. Why ask me specifically about him?

Only scum can actually have legit "scum" reads this early because well, they know who town are and know who exactly they should mislynch.

Was curious why TF’s early scum read on Senj was scummy but DC’s early scum read on me was not?

Nero asked you specifically about Demon because AT THAT TIME, demon was the only one voting him lol.

lol no. Please stop being an idiot.

This forum needs to be fixed since I feel into a wormhole that transported me to a newbie game.

Lynching JS lets us know about Nero.

No it doesn’t. If JS flips scum then its only logical that I’m suspected but if JS flips town it doesn’t exactly clear me. Yes I’m town since my pm says so but my point is that is some dangerous thinking.

Mkay, I'm a watcher.

X

Wrong answer.

Hammer this fool, jacob.

If people start lynch claimed PRs, with no counterclaims, I'm honestly going to stop playing mafia.

Which would allow scum to just claim prs and be safe the whole game? That's dumb.

[Nero Cain]

Yes. I actually agree with 4nx here. My point was that if people are going to use JS’s calling Senji town as a scum tell but not look at 4nx then it looks like selective scumhunting. PlanB had no reason to get snarky.

This is a little dated, but I read your question as a giant strawman of the case on JacobSavage. I don't really get why you'd generalize the question to everyone on the JacobSavage wagon if you weren't trying to kill the wagon.

So.....if a player says "this guy is scummy for X but this guy isn't" that doesn't make you question your read on the player that said it and by extension the player thats getting wagoned? I couldn't remembe exactly who said it so I asked the whole wagon.

I really want to hear your stances on PiggyGal15 and JacobSavage before a lynch happens.

scum and null.

[Demon Core]

Actually never mind. I've got a test I'm going to run tonight. You better hope I live, piggy, because if I don't, I'm advising everyone to lynch you on site.

UNVOTE:

[PiggyGal15]

also, @Piggy: Did you crumb your role? Also, can you paraphrase your role PM?

Not that I know of. I'm not that big of a crumber because I rarely get PRs, and scum don't think I'm worthy enough to kill when I'm VT, so I just pretend I'm VT for at least the first day, until I can get 1 or 2 results, then I start crumbing like crazy (not like I ever last till Day 3 :/)
I'm a town aligned Watcher, I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I can target someone during the night, and at the start of the day I can see if anyone visited them.

@Piggy

What is your read on DemonCore?

Town. Why ask me specifically about him?

Only scum can actually have legit "scum" reads this early because well, they know who town are and know who exactly they should mislynch.

Was curious why TF’s early scum read on Senj was scummy but DC’s early scum read on me was not?

Because your scum. ^.^
(besides, a lot went down between post 37 and 120 o.O that's almost 100 posts. A decent enough time to get some semblance of a read.

[Demon Core]

Look, I get it that you think you are some hotshot that thinks he knows everything about this game and if we sheep you then town’ll win this without any mislynches. But you don’t and I highly doubt that. There is no argument. Maybe you want to argue for some stupid reason. You fill your posts with so much bullshit and you apparently can’t read well enough to even listen to what I’m saying. Just shut up and go back to watching Japanese porn cartoons.

Well, that was completely inappropriate, dickish, and unnecessary.

[Demon Core]

Nero's asshat factor is clouding my read on him, and I wish he would stop.

Alright, N and RedCoyote, one of you's going to help me and bus your buddy. RC, since I like you, I'll give you first shot (and you've already publically called him out, so you're halfway there).

VOTE: N

[Demon Core]

publicly*

derp

[Nero Cain]

@Piggy

What is your read on DemonCore?

Town. Why ask me specifically about him?

Only scum can actually have legit "scum" reads this early because well, they know who town are and know who exactly they should mislynch.

Was curious why TF’s early scum read on Senj was scummy but DC’s early scum read on me was not?

Because your scum. ^.^

no. Nice try though.

[DoomYoshi]

piggy i suggest you claim or give last reads.

if i die tonight i would suspect doom yoshi.

waht. obvfish = obv?

Nero's asshat factor is clouding my read on him, and I wish he would stop.

Alright, N and RedCoyote, one of you's going to help me and bus your buddy. RC, since I like you, I'll give you first shot (and you've already publically called him out, so you're halfway there).

VOTE: N

This will be rich.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JS

I'm not sold on the towniness here.

[Demon Core]

Today's your lucky day NC. doomyoshi is well on his way to taking your spot on my scumlist.

[Senjai]

So, if player X thinks player Y is town why should he not say so? What was TF accusing you of that another player did?

Are you trolling me? Because you said defending another player who can defend himself is scummy.

I don't think I'm a hotshot, I just think you're an idiot. WTB legitimate reasons instead of adhoms. If you feel that this is too hard for you to do, I suggest you stop playing mafia, and perhaps avoid roles in life where you have to make strategic decisions. You'll find that 95% of people won't give into your reasoning when your reasoning is: Durr, he's an idiot, he doesn't know anything.

THERFORE

I'm right.. Durr, simple logic bro. Notice how I havent even mentioned your intellect until... just now? or your mental capacities. That's because even though you are perfectly obvious in your dinky ways, it won't strengthen my argument in the eyes of others and would likely just make everyone hate me.

Life lessons <3

DC stop stallin the lynch yo.

[Senjai]

So, if player X thinks player Y is town why should he not say so? What was TF accusing you of that another player did?

Are you trolling me? Because you said defending another player who can defend himself is scummy.

I don't think I'm a hotshot, I just think you're an idiot. WTB legitimate reasons instead of adhoms. If you feel that this is too hard for you to do, I suggest you stop playing mafia, and perhaps avoid roles in life where you have to make strategic decisions. You'll find that 95% of people won't give into your reasoning when your reasoning is: Durr, he's an idiot, he doesn't know anything.

THERFORE

I'm right.. Durr, simple logic bro. Notice how I havent even mentioned your intellect until... just now? or your mental capacities. That's because even though you are perfectly obvious in your dinky ways, it won't strengthen my argument in the eyes of others and would likely just make everyone hate me.

Life lessons <3

DC stop stallin the lynch yo.

[N]

This is pretty much a prod-dodge, but I feel differently about Cletus's more recent posts, so there's no need for this.
UNVOTE: Cletus

On the other hand, Toon Fighter's reaction to Piggy's claim worries me. What did you hope to get out of asking her to paraphrase her whole role PM? We're in a normal game; claims can be easily checked against the wiki and other games.
VOTE: Toon Fighter

[Toon Fighter]

Wow, so much going on in this game and you go for a vote like that. Ok. I was just checking Piggy's claim, and it hurt nothing getting her to paraphrase the PM. If she had failed to do so, it could mean a scum slip. But, I fail to see why asking her to paraphrase the PM would be scummy or deserve a vote in any way.

Actually, your vote was so shitty, it deserves a vote itself.

unvote, vote: N

[DoomYoshi]

Not that I know of. I'm not that big of a crumber because I rarely get PRs

Crumbs suck balls anyways. That is your best answer all day.

[RedCoyote]

I admit it's not on one of the leading wagons, but I'm always nervous of quicklynches after previous games I've been in.

We're 10 pages in at this point and 60% done with D1 deadline-wise. I don't think you can cop out to fears of a "quicklynch" any longer.

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You had JS on your townreads (with 4xn as a really shitty scumread) and then realized you had a wagon on you gaining momentum, so you knew you had to join the counterwagon. Jacob's been bumbling around with his disorganized and scattered thoughts all game, but it's just now that you have an issue with them. You even stoop so low as to completely invent a scumslip to try to drive a nail in his coffin.

This is a solid point.

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I for one actually believe piggy's claim, I mean she will probably be dead by the morning but she might have something interesting to tell us if she survives.

I don't. Do not underestimate this cute little piggy. She'll we-we-we all the way to a victory with her fakeclaim. I'm willing to spare her today and let her alone to claim her results tomorrow, but do not underestimate her.

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"I'm not ouching this piggy wagon even though it objectively looks better, so I'm going for mislynch bait JacobSavage and make up a bunch of crap reasons for joining his wagon."

I explained my preference for JS. I see his cautiousness as more suspicious that PG15's active lurking. I don't have a problem with JS over his struggle to communicate effectively, as you assumed. I suspect him for letting others dictate his play. Those are two very different things.

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If people start lynch claimed PRs, with no counterclaims, I'm honestly going to stop playing mafia.

...but it's a closed setup.

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You fill your posts with so much bullshit and you apparently can’t read well enough to even listen to what I’m saying. Just shut up and go back to watching Japanese porn cartoons.

There's no need to get upset. Although this kind of emotion generally points to being town.

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Alright, N and RedCoyote, one of you's going to help me and bus your buddy. RC, since I like you, I'll give you first shot (and you've already publically called him out, so you're halfway there).

I'll gladly join you. I don't think I want to see PG15 gone today, and I think the JS wagon is losing steam (I don't agree with you that he's a bad wagon, but I think Plan B was one of our biggest assets... if he's losing faith, then it might be hard to keep the wagon in line).

Unvote

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vote: N

Today's your lucky day NC. doomyoshi is well on his way to taking your spot on my scumlist.

He should take mine. I don't care for that post, and I don't know why DY had to quote you when he was voting JS. It immediately makes it look like he's trying to defend N over the tiniest bit of pressure.

[theamatuer]

actually I really dont have time for this game

/replace out

[4nxi3ty]

I understand your thinking, here, but JacobSavage's comment about you didn't make any sense, to me, at all.

Illuminate me on DoomYoshi, because I'm not really seeing it.

yeah I don't think it made a lot of sense either. Yet, when someone's understanding of the game is not matching up with your understanding it doesn't automatically mean there is scum motivation behind their actions.

some of Yoshi's comments about me felt off.

not sure if I want to give piggy a night or not.

I am sure I want to put more pressure on Cletus+Brandine.

unvote,vote: C+B

[Demon Core]

I don't. Do not underestimate this cute little piggy. She'll we-we-we all the way to a victory with her fakeclaim. I'm willing to spare her today and let her alone to claim her results tomorrow, but do not underestimate her.

Well you're "underestimating" her too. I don't doubt that she's a watcher. I doubt she's town. Ability =/= alignment

There's no need to get upset. Although this kind of emotion generally points to being town.

No, that kind of posting generally points to being an asshole. And I know NC isn't an asshole, so I wish he would drop the interent tough-guy act.

[Demon Core]

Asking for a claim at L-1 is rolefishing, doomyoshi?

You need to disguise your OMGUS a lot better than that.

[RedCoyote]

True enough on the former, and the latter I'll agree to disagree.

[Plan B]

I'll gladly join you. I don't think I want to see PG15 gone today, and I think the JS wagon is losing steam (I don't agree with you that he's a bad wagon, but I think Plan B was one of our biggest assets... if he's losing faith, then it might be hard to keep the wagon in line).

Careful, my ego can only take so much stroking. After that, it just feels like manipulation.

The thing about JacobSavage is that after I was gone for a couple days and came back and read over it, he just kept on keeping on. It was like he didn't take any offense at being called out, nor did he shy away or try to adapt to get the pressure off. So, it was like he was doing his best to get his point of view out for everyone to judge. That's not scum mindset.

There's no need to get upset. Although this kind of emotion generally points to being town.

Sure, if it came in a natural flow. This didn't. Nero Cain was away for three days. The outburst was out of proportion to anything I can imagine he'd really be feeling. That makes it seem fake, ostentatious. It's like PiggyGal15's big post. They're both like costume jewelry. All shiny and pretty to look at, but worthless, really.

I'm liking my vote.

yeah I don't think it made a lot of sense either. Yet, when someone's understanding of the game is not matching up with your understanding it doesn't automatically mean there is scum motivation behind their actions.

So, more just the fact that he espoused an outlandish kind of conspiracy theory rather than any direct connection from his comment to yours? I can buy that as making sense from your point of view.

I'm not liking Toon Fighter's latest vote. From Senjai to JacobSavage to N. There's a pattern of joining in the going wagon. And, the N vote is so retaliatory.

I don't really get the N wagon, unless it's about him piddling around off in a corner to appear busy? Am I on the right track with the reasoning?