Meadow of Sorrow Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins

[Fritzler]

Vote: CPE

voting wuffles is extremely suspect

[Fritzler]

I believe I started with a

vote: Pariah

Vote: CPE

or something so I will do that again.

And if memory serves me right, TSQ is claiming cop and claiming Wuffles is scum, or else TSQ has something against Wuffles and wants to see him go down in flames. I was unclear as to what was happening. I almost posted that in a different game

that would have been funnier if you put it in a random game

[Fritzler]

no kidding

is your super power to make paper cuts on your skin? (think anti healing power)

[Fritzler]

guys look at illuminia just shifting along

we shoudl probably kill him

unvote, vote: illuminia

[Fritzler]

I <3 so much alko right now. (still here)

although I agree with Zindaras, this game has been a great way for me and a few other people to boost thier posts counts primarely.

alko is pretty sweet

and is good at giving me posts

[Fritzler]

TSQ, if one person was going to die tonight, who should it be?

[Fritzler]

Fritz...Please explain to me how I can respond to that without seeming scummy or like I'm fishing?

tell me who you would kill if you could kill peopleat night

[Fritzler]

Depends, Fritz. Am I a pro-town killer, or an anti town killer?

pro town

thx

wuffles you too

[Fritzler]

Depends, Fritz. Am I a pro-town killer, or an anti town killer?

pro town

thx

wuffles you too

I just want to know how ANYONE is supposed to respond to these questions without seeming like an absolute scumbag.

katy

if you were a pro town killer who would you kill tonight

i'd probably pick you or wuffles

[Fritzler]

I think Frit's question is an interesting and valid one.

If I was anti-town killer, I'd kill the most pro-town person. If I was town killer, I'd kill scum or I'll not kill. So that way we know who everyone thinks is most pro-townish, or most scummish.

I won't vote anyone yet since our mod isn't ready. And I intend to vote a lurker anyway at this point, but I assume al_ko will be prodding them.

way to not answer my "interesting and valid" question

[Fritzler]

Scumchat's an entirely different ballgame.

A trigger happy vig in scumchat will kill the game.

However, since there are more people, there's a buffer between "game over" and "screwing everyone over." Or sometimes getting lucky.

In any case, CPE is still alive and hasn't said anything about his abysmal participation so far.

so he should probably die tonight

[Fritzler]

unvote, vote: EoM

i swear iwas going to do that before i saw std and thesp do that

[Fritzler]

btw, i love the whole, everyone had one town tell, but jack, so he's scum logic we have going one

sherlock holmes at his finest

[Fritzler]

btw, i love the whole, everyone had one town tell, but jack, so he's scum logic we have going one

sherlock holmes at his finest

this totally belonged in another game

that is all

[Fritzler]

I believe I started with a

vote: Pariah

Vote: CPE

or something so I will do that again.

And if memory serves me right, TSQ is claiming cop and claiming Wuffles is scum, or else TSQ has something against Wuffles and wants to see him go down in flames. I was unclear as to what was happening. I almost posted that in a different game

that would have been funnier if you put it in a random game

oh the irony

and my post was funnier than yours because of ti

[Fritzler]

katy, tsq is shea

good call

unvote, vote: katy

[Fritzler]

really?

i think thats funny too

and they're not that differfent

[Fritzler]

[quote="Zindaras"]*laughs*

Hey Fritz, who should we be voting?[/quote]duh

katy

[Fritzler]

oh

what the woman just said makes more sense now

hold on, let me think

[Fritzler]

haha

katy's a girl

gross

im not voting her, she'll probably give me cooties

[Fritzler]

unvote, vote: olio

[Fritzler]

dunno,

i think there church findings don't matter, if the leader of the church is scum

[Fritzler]

I don't believe CPE. At all. Make mine maximoff.

Vote: cpe

[Fritzler]

borge will die tonight anyways

[Fritzler]

Thor hast been summoned, and is here to solve thy problems. Thor says dropst thy hammer, mjonlir, on CPE.

[Fritzler]

thesp probably saw me kill someone

im a vig

richard nixon the vig

fuck yea

i killed shadowlurker, katy, and bogre

2/3 isn't bad

[Fritzler]

Since we are getting the real power roles out in the open, I think I'd like to claim, at least partially, while that part is still confirmable.

Fritz, can you confirm that you got a special addition to your role the night before this? You decide if you want to tell what ability that was. Anyway, it was from me. I can do some other similar funky stuff as well. I'll await your answer, though.

the one that affected my win condition?

i lost my pms and can't tell if that was yesterday or not

[Fritzler]

Fritzler - no. If that's the only change you have gotten, then you either didn't get the addition for some reason and someone else changed your win condition, or my ability is seriously whacked, in which case I'm very interested in what it might have done to you.

well, i got the option of becoming a cop, but then if i died over the next three days i'd lose, so i chose not to do that

is that what you did?

i think that was night 2 though

oh it said it would show me as damned aligned

STD was damned aligned, so he might have gotten nightly investegatiosn

[Fritzler]

i killed shadowlurker, katy, and bogre

With what?

my trusty ak-47s

[Fritzler]

Also, Fritz, your claim is suspiciously lacking in a name.

read again, nixon

ballah

[Fritzler]

uggh

have fun guys

do you think there were three anti town kills night 1?

if no, who would be the only vig here to shoot it?

thanks

[Fritzler]

Why did you kill ShadowLurker, then?

he vigged me n1 in a scumchat game just before the start of the game

[Fritzler]

i killed shadowlurker, katy, and bogre

With what?

my trusty ak-47s

That's interesting, becuase I would think I would have stolen them on the first night if you were a straight-up vig.

Vote: Fritzler

.

i got nothing

what did the mod say after n1

[Fritzler]

Depends, Fritz. Am I a pro-town killer, or an anti town killer?

pro town

thx

wuffles you too

I just want to know how ANYONE is supposed to respond to these questions without seeming like an absolute scumbag.

katy

if you were a pro town killer who would you kill tonight

i'd probably pick you or wuffles

bump from day 1

[Fritzler]

vote Fritzler

Is there reason other than SL killing you night 1 for you to kill SL?

yes

[Fritzler]

Fritz - night two I supposedly gave you an item (not a weapon) that would grant you something. Can you confirm or deny this explicitly? Ask the mod if necessary. If the cop-opportunity was the only the only thing you got, could you please try to explain in detail how you got that opportunity, because I want to know if it's connected to my item. I have not targeted STD, though.

oh i got it

it gave me cop immunity?

i didn't get the pm but alko says he sent it

[Fritzler]

I would expect Fritzler to vig Night One if he had a vig role. However, his suggestion does not stroke with the rest of the game. We've got Church Findings and Police Findings. The Church finds Satanic as Scum and Criminals as Town. The Police finds Criminals as Scum and Satanic as Town. That is some huge hinting at double scumgroup, and if Fritz is a Vig, we'd have to discard the entire double scumgroup theory and assume that TSQ was a Serial Killer.

I'm not doing that.

why can't there be more crimminals?

[Fritzler]

why can't there be more crimminals?

I guess that it

could

be possible for the Criminals to kill via crucifixion, as they seem to be churchy...

But Richard Nixon the Vig with AK-47's? That looks horribly unlikely.

well im the shooter

seriously guys, are you going to figure there are four anti town killers?

if no one of them must be pro town

go to night, no one has to claim it, if there is another vig, they will kill me

[Fritzler]

Viggy Fritzler, are you aligned with anything or anyone? I mean, are you completely independant or is there a group or something?
(NOt sure if this is relevant, I'm not getting too far in the re-read yet but I like the color coded table above)
So there is a satanic church group, a criminal group, a 'demon' group, and a regular (paladin) church group, maybe?
You should put the lynched people on there too.

im protown

im not a sk or anything

guys can anyone honestly say pariah wouldn't make nixon a vig?

also, i've been investegated?

when did that happen

why am i being lynched then?

[Fritzler]

well im the shooter

seriously guys, are you going to figure there are four anti town killers?

if no one of them must be pro town

go to night, no one has to claim it, if there is another vig, they will kill me

The Ashes were from creampuffeater, remember? He was Town Aligned. Also, "Just give me one more day." is pretty much the worst argument you can come up with.

You realize that didn't respond at all to my argument? CPE investegated me that night. He killed STD night 2. So n1 there were for kills, and none of them came from a pro town source.

That gets to your second point. Its not the worst argument. I am arguing there is a pro-town kill, night 1, all odds considered. They will kill me if there is another vig.

Also crucifixions aren't churchy. They're like anti-churchy. Churchy would be siccing jesus on them, not using the celebrated symbol of jesus's death to kill people. Unless there are killing vampires.

[Fritzler]

Also crucifixions aren't churchy. They're like anti-churchy. Churchy would be siccing jesus on them, not using the celebrated symbol of jesus's death to kill people. Unless there are killing vampires.

Ugh, yeah, I associated cross with church, that's silly.

What

does

make me wonder is that in the case you're suggesting, the criminals wouldn't be killing at all. Crucifixion wouldn't be criminal, pentagram is obvobv satanic, ashing came from cpe, shooting would be you.

Also, Fritz, if we'd be going to night right now, who'd you kill?

no i think they could be pentagram

honestly, i think i'd kill you, you seem scared of what a vig could do, and looking to not to promote discussion on kill types, plus you're close with pariah, and know this is the kind of shit he'd try to do

[Fritzler]

no i think they could be pentagram

So they'd kill their own (TSQ)?

honestly, i think i'd kill you, you seem scared of what a vig could do, and looking to not to promote discussion on kill types, plus you're close with pariah, and know this is the kind of shit he'd try to do

No, I'm not scared of what a vig could do. If you're a vig, go you. I want to get a good read on which group is using which method of killing. Also, yes, I know Pariah's modding style, which is exactly why I find Richard Nixon the Vig with his AK-47's a very odd role indeed.

i meant the crucifying shit

well when i come up town, it'll prove that you;re lying or don't know his style

[Fritzler]

wait, why are the crimminals related to the church?

[Fritzler]

Well this was TSQ's role:

7. Thestatusquo killed Night 2
Church Findings: Reverend, Town Aligned
Investigation Findings: Murderer, Criminal Aligned

then it would make perfect sense that crimminals would crucify if they're in charge of the church

and then there's scum that are against the church, the damned zombies or w/e

[Fritzler]

i told you, you show up damned if you're lynched while you take the extra cop results

take that into account after i die

[Fritzler]

zindaras: do you think there is a vig in this game that can kill members of whatever group you think i belong to?

[Fritzler]

zindaras: do you think there is a vig in this game that can kill members of whatever group you think i belong to?

I believe there are anti-Criminal roles, yes. Either that or there are more Satanics than Criminals. There's a balancing factor in there somewhere, is my guess. The symmetry doesn't have to go up for the entire game.

well, if there's a vig that can kill crimminals, won't they kill me tonight if im not killed?

[Fritzler]

I'm actually wondering if this is a game of prejudice. That the church believes some to be satanic just because they are no believers, and that the police believes some to be killers just because they don't always follow the law.

Reverend=/=Criminal.

7. Thestatusquo

killed Night 2

Church Findings: Reverend, Town Aligned

Investigation Findings: Murderer, Criminal Aligned

ORLY?

That goes from the assumption that there is another vig

So you think Fritzler is a vig now?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying another vig next to creampuffeater.

[/quote]
If there's another vig other than me, doesn't it stand to reason that they'll kill me tonight?

@ ScumVoid: Bah

[Fritzler]

well, thesp's role will be shown as a liar after i die, cuz he didn't steal my phat ak-47s

also, zindy will be shown as a liar, if he knows pariah's modding style, and but didn't think it would be like dicky m. nixon is in the game

yawn

remember tomorrow: I said STD was likely taught to investegate, and died while like that, and is likely pro town

and that i killed 2 of the 3 dead scum

[Fritzler]

that's not what damned means

yawn....

[Fritzler]

Fritzler, reveal your true alignment and I'll bring a hot chick friend to MoS Faire ... ??

pro-town

with ak-47s

it makes perfect sense if you know pariah as well as i do

zindy obviously doesn't

he doesn't go in water

[Fritzler]

true story

it happened

[Fritzler]

Fritzler - no. If that's the only change you have gotten, then you either didn't get the addition for some reason and someone else changed your win condition, or my ability is seriously whacked, in which case I'm very interested in what it might have done to you.

well, i got the option of becoming a cop, but then if i died over the next three days i'd lose, so i chose not to do that

is that what you did?

i think that was night 2 though

oh it said it would show me as damned aligned

STD was damned aligned, so he might have gotten nightly investegatiosn

i told you, you show up damned if you're lynched while you take the extra cop results

take that into account after i die

i realize this isn't clear

i got the option that i could have 3 cop investegations, but if i died during those three nights, i would lose, and show up as damned, but could still help my side win

so the mod told me, if i died during one of those three nights, MY WIN CONDITION WOULD BE DAMNED

that's what it means

[Fritzler]

only for 3 nihgts

i don't think its dahen, its someone else

actually, i'd much more likely kill thesp tonight if i live

[Fritzler]

i got the option that i could have 3 cop investegations, but if i died during those three nights, i would lose, and show up as damned, but could still help my side win

so the mod told me, if i died during one of those three nights, MY WIN CONDITION WOULD BE DAMNED

This takes away the SK possibility I was pondering, as he wouldn't have a "side" to help win.

Unvote: Fritzler.

What are your cop results?

fuck that

i knew i would probably die

i didn't take the results

[Fritzler]

i said that

thespscum and zindy didn't like it

[Fritzler]

So.. fritzler... did you receive an 'item' from Dahen?

Strange that what Dahen offered what he thought was 'investigative immunity', but fritzler received the alternate, which is "ability to investigate' but apparently you become damned for three days if you do. Am I reading the situation right?
Since Dahen is expressing doubts in what he 'offered' at all, it is even more confusing to me.

Dahen did you offer this thing to anyone else who has died?

And lastly, this is I guess just flavor based, but... a pirate? Here? In a mining community? ... >.>

I will have a fresh look at the last four pages or so in the morning. *yawn*

they're two different things

we've talked about it a while ago

[Fritzler]

because I can actually catch scum

[Fritzler]

A) I'm more confirmed than you are, with one innocent investegation
B) My name is inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.

[Fritzler]

I have no problem voting fritzler, but why settle for one

scum

excellent pro-town player who can actually find scum, unlike me or zindaras who are stupid for even thinking of voting for fritz when we can figure out the thesp/dahen thing and have more for hte next few days, too?

fixed

[Fritzler]

how do people feel about a kaliedscope lynch?

[Fritzler]

If we don't reach agreement, I think we should kill zindie.

iguess

i can't tell if he's misguided or not

thesp is never misguided, hes always right or scum

so he's probably scum

[Fritzler]

If we don't reach agreement, I think we should kill zindie.

i

guess

completely agree

i can't tell if he's misguided or not

thesp is never misguided, hes always right or scum

so he's probably scum

Fixed. I'm getting good at this.

:thumbup:

[Fritzler]

The meadow...blood covers it tonight. The earth cries out due to the stain from

Primate's

defiled body. The carrier of the soul, the vessel of life, the heart was carved out his chest with a tiny, sharp knife and carved into the shape of a pentagram.

They went to drag his corpse to the cemetery...upon touching the consecrated ground, it broke into flames and turned to ash, blown away by the wind into dust.

The local investigation by the cities' basic police station, if you could call it that, found him to be a simple

town aligned puritan.

The church agreed with this sentiment and mourned his passing.

CPE confirmed this ashing too? I thought i read that he ashed if the person he investigated was evil.

nope, I pointed that out too, but I was ignored.

[Fritzler]

I remember quoting this post before.

WAIT WAIT. Let me get rid of some confusion. When I use my cop, if they are scum to the church they turn into a pile of ash (STD). Thats where the kill came from. Right now, I doubt they are the same ashes, as I inspected Fritz N0, not primate

right, but when the ash kills are brought up all you say is CPE DID IT

HE DID

I SAW IT

[Fritzler]

well im the shooter

seriously guys, are you going to figure there are four anti town killers?

if no one of them must be pro town

go to night, no one has to claim it, if there is another vig, they will kill me

The Ashes were from creampuffeater, remember? He was Town Aligned. Also, "Just give me one more day." is pretty much the worst argument you can come up with.

note the plural ash attacks

There were four killing methods:
...
Ashes: cpe's killing method. He's dead.

The ashes are only CPE's kill according to you

You are right, I am still rereading and just piecing together what I have read (so far) and what is going on currently.
Thank you for showing me that about CPE.
I still think the reverend was an SK that incinerated people. There was no crucification, and there was no

ashes

. That's two forms of killing that were not included. That doesn't mean those killers are dead, it's just something to note.

cpe claimed to have been the source of the ashes.

et cetera et cetera

Thus the Criminals Ash people / burn them.

The Ashes were claimed by cpe, our now dead Town Aligned Paladin.

yawn

[Fritzler]

I was under the impression that you should use the plural for ashes.

For example, you talk about your mother's ashes, not your mother's ash, right?

but in all those you talked about the ashes were from CPE, and not any other source

[Fritzler]

After thinking things over. I do indeed believe Fritzler may very well be Criminal Mafia... Though I don't quite understand why he would claim it.

thumper

im not

you know me

[Fritzler]

Why the hell is Fritzler only at one vote?

It's so obvious he's scum.

this'll look awkward tomorrow

[Fritzler]

*bashes head on wall*

Skruffs, spectrumvoid, I want you two to rebuttal my argument against Fritzler or vote him.

thump and i already did

stop voitng pro-town people

thx

[Fritzler]

How do you know Thesp steals abilities? He didn't steal an ability from me, I guarantee you that, I am a vanilla eunuch in this game. If he stole Fritzler's ability N1 how come my vote was taken away the next day? And today?

he said he should have stolen my ak-47s, which is why we "know" that

[Fritzler]

self preservation vote:

unvote, vote: skruffs

[Fritzler]

Whatever.

You are

so

going to regret this.

Unvote, Vote: Skruffs

. In PK games, you usually don't need majority at deadline, but let's not take risks.

Hey Fritz, mind killing Scope or Klebian tonight? Cursed lurkers.

I'm amused by everyone going "But we can control Fritzler's kill!" and then completely ignoring Fritzler's kill for the rest of the day.

maybe klebian, scope says he needs to be replaced

[Fritzler]

klebian, zindy, either of you can cliam

thx

[Fritzler]

if zindy is town ill shoot klebian, if not...ehh we'll see

[Fritzler]

I'm inclined to believe Zindaras's case for Fritzler, now that Zindaras has been revealed to be a town psychic.

vote: Fritzler

yea its not like thesp said i should be lynched and both of them only said it because i had a chance of being a crimminal

can we not do the scum's work for them?

[Fritzler]

I'm leaning toward Fritzler being a S/K and TS = scum with Thesp?

what group would i be then?

oh yea

i can't be a crimminal cuz one died, and i wouldn't be ask

the other group...im cleared in

[Fritzler]

no dahen makes people immune to investegations, which is actually pretty suspect.

[Fritzler]

I thought dahen offered you cop investigations in exchange for being damned, Fritzler?
If they didn't - who did?

i got two things the same night, i wasn't sure which one dahen was claiming to be responsible for

it sucks being popular

[Fritzler]

ill kill whoever you guys want me too...

lynching me is stupid, i've already proved i'll listen

[Fritzler]

fritz - what do you think of dahen?

that i want to hear his flavaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Fritzler]

Frtizler is scum and should die.

do youever get tired about being wrong all the time?

[Fritzler]

i don't care

have fun lynching your only chance of killing scum