Open 9 - Basic Twelve Player (Game Over!) - before 400

[Twito]

WEll I see that there wasn't any difference, about the other posts but 1 thing added that really didn't add much importance. I argeed about the bad logic, and thought he was the scummiest so that's why I made my vote that way.

I don't agree with your reasons for bandwagoning but I'm not sure yet whether that makes you scum or not.

[IH]

Twito... if you think Fircoal is scummy for Ripley's reasoning.... why aren't you voting Ripley? If that's why you're voting Fircoal, shouldn't Ripley be your manin vote, and watch Fircoal?

IGMEOY:Twito

[AndrewS]

IGMEOY?

[IH]

I've go my eye on you. Or were you asking why I had my eye on him?

[AndrewS]

I was asking what the abbreviation was.

[ShadowLurker]

Unvote Vote: Fircoal

Please explain where you found instances of bad logic, or what things he did to make you think he's town. Until then, my vote isn't moving.

[Fircoal]

because Lowell seems happy to go for Masterchief, i can assume he is not Mafia.
Therefore i change my vote to Lowell, in an attempt to save a citizen.

1) This bad logic. But I think I got confused with the fact that I thought, he said Lowell is not scum, and he had no reason for Lowell not being mafia, when he only posted one thing. Then he votes Lowell. Which got my confused. I think I got the meaning wrong.

[Battle Mage]

well i dont see how 'claiming' early on is bad logic. The Mafia will already know that i am either a townie or a special character. Bearing in mind they are trying to eliminate the special characters, claiming to be protown early on is GOOD.

WEll, I argee about the bad logic, now that I look at it. It doesn't really add anything to the discussion of what happened. Battlemage has done some bad logic, through, this whole game.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Twito (1) -- Masterchief
Masterchief (1) -- Lowell
Lowell (2) -- AndrewS, Battle Mage
Battle Mage (1) -- Ripley
Fircoal (3) -- The Central Scrutiniser, Twito, Shadowlurker
Ripley (1) -- IH

Not voting: Spectrumvoid, Fircoal
11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Lowell]

Yeah, Battle Mage is innocent. I remember being a newbie too.

I'll throw in an

unvote, vote Fircoal

while I'm here. Nothing you've said makes me believe you're not scum.

[spectrumvoid]

well i dont see how 'claiming' early on is bad logic. The Mafia will already know that i am either a townie or a special character. Bearing in mind they are trying to eliminate the special characters, claiming to be protown early on is GOOD.

Good for you as in you survive maybe. But that is extremely selfish logic, because it's bad for us town. You don't seem to care about whether scum nightkill a pro-town power role or not. The more townies claim, the more likely pro-town power roles will get nightkilled.

[spectrumvoid]

vote: Battle Mage

Because of earlier post (for not caring about us town), and for accusing Fircoal of saying his claiming was bad logic, when Fircoal was talking about something else (the lowell/mc issue). Misrepresentation = scum.

[Battle Mage]

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

Because of earlier post (for not caring about us town), and for accusing Fircoal of saying his claiming was bad logic, when Fircoal was talking about something else (the lowell/mc issue). Misrepresentation = scum.

[Twito]

Twito... if you think Fircoal is scummy for Ripley's reasoning.... why aren't you voting Ripley? If that's why you're voting Fircoal, shouldn't Ripley be your manin vote, and watch Fircoal?

IGMEOY:Twito

Ripleys reasoning was so funny that I can't vote the poor guy for making me laugh. Fircoal however stated that was a GOOD REASONING.
Then again I guess Ripley wasn't joking but he was serious about it so they are both scummy. Fircoal for following horrible reason to wagon and Ripley for making the horrible reason.

Unvote

for now I don't know where to move my vote or whether to keep it were it is. Gotta think.

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

That's just pure OMGUS vote.

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Your voting him based only on him voting you.

He didn't say your claiming was bad logic it had nothing to do with the claiming.

[Battle Mage]

an OMGUS vote?
smooth...
If ur gonna insult someone for no reason, dont bother trying to make urself look smart by inventing some stupid abbreviation.

Twito... if you think Fircoal is scummy for Ripley's reasoning.... why aren't you voting Ripley? If that's why you're voting Fircoal, shouldn't Ripley be your manin vote, and watch Fircoal?

IGMEOY:Twito

Ripleys reasoning was so funny that I can't vote the poor guy for making me laugh. Fircoal however stated that was a GOOD REASONING.
Then again I guess Ripley wasn't joking but he was serious about it so they are both scummy. Fircoal for following horrible reason to wagon and Ripley for making the horrible reason.

Unvote

for now I don't know where to move my vote or whether to keep it were it is. Gotta think.

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

That's just pure OMGUS vote.

O

h

M

y

G

od

Y

ou

S

uck.
Your voting him based only on him voting you.

He didn't say your claiming was bad logic it had nothing to do with the claiming.

[Twito]

Twito... if you think Fircoal is scummy for Ripley's reasoning.... why aren't you voting Ripley? If that's why you're voting Fircoal, shouldn't Ripley be your manin vote, and watch Fircoal?

IGMEOY:Twito

Ripleys reasoning was so funny that I can't vote the poor guy for making me laugh. Fircoal however stated that was a GOOD REASONING.
Then again I guess Ripley wasn't joking but he was serious about it so they are both scummy. Fircoal for following horrible reason to wagon and Ripley for making the horrible reason.

Unvote

for now I don't know where to move my vote or whether to keep it were it is. Gotta think.

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

That's just pure OMGUS vote.

O

h

M

y

G

od

Y

ou

S

uck.
Your voting him based only on him voting you.

He didn't say your claiming was bad logic it had nothing to do with the claiming.

(fixed the quoting the first one looks bad)

[Twito]

an OMGUS vote?
smooth...
If ur gonna insult someone for no reason, dont bother trying to make urself look smart by inventing some stupid abbreviation.

http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/OMGUS
Read it please. I didn't invent it. I'm not insulting you. Take it easy.

[Twito]

Just though would be useful to explain it as I assumed not everyone here knows the term. I was right btw.

[spectrumvoid]

I'll elaborate since you misunderstood. I was tired last night, so I think I summarised a little too much.

I'm obviously voting not voting you because I think you're a selfish townie. Duh. I'm voting you because I think you threw that claim there to mess things up, scum. (I thought the inherent contradiction in that selfish TOWNIE, yet me voting for a TOWNIE was obvious, but I apologise for not flashing it out.) Whether or not your claim is true is irrelevant, the point is the timing of your claim itself (at <100 posts).

I also voted you for misrepresenting Fircoal. I thought this was obvious though from the 'misrepresentation = scum' last sentence in my earlier post.

Fircoal say in post 56 that 'bad logic' = BM going for lowell to save a citizen.' He then clarifies that he got confused.

(On a side-not here, I think the confusion here is genuine. BM says in the quote that he 'can assume HE is not mafia.' Then he votes lowell. The confusion was due to poor grammar. Which HE? Lowell or MC? It's BM's fault here for not clarifying what he meant.)

In post 57, BM says he doesn't see how claiming is bad logic. This misrepresents what Fircoal said, because Fircoal was talking about lowell and MC in post 56, not about claiming.

[spectrumvoid]

With that said, I don't think BM's vote on me was OMGUS. It wasn't a retaliatory vote, it was a vote that had reason behind it, ie, he thought I was scummy for being confused.

[IH]

Oh, I thought it was a vote cause you were a Jerk. <3

Yeah, Battle Mage is innocent. I remember being a newbie too.

I'll throw in an unvote, vote Fircoal while I'm here. Nothing you've said makes me believe you're not scum.

I believe that Battle Mage is not the only newbie... have you bothered to look at the townsperson titles? So if you're willing to cut Battle Mage some slack, why not spread the newbie slack all around? I mean I'm just saying.....

Also Battle Mage, Claiming is not good. Not only is there NO call for it, but you have just eliminated the scum's shot at a potential power role. Don't take things so personally, as this is a game, and someone is going to have to get attacked.

[Battle Mage]

im not going to explain the flaw with that theory again, but go back to my previous posts and you will see.

Oh, I thought it was a vote cause you were a Jerk. <3

Yeah, Battle Mage is innocent. I remember being a newbie too.

I'll throw in an unvote, vote Fircoal while I'm here. Nothing you've said makes me believe you're not scum.

I believe that Battle Mage is not the only newbie... have you bothered to look at the townsperson titles? So if you're willing to cut Battle Mage some slack, why not spread the newbie slack all around? I mean I'm just saying.....

Also Battle Mage, Claiming is not good. Not only is there NO call for it, but you have just eliminated the scum's shot at a potential power role. Don't take things so personally, as this is a game, and someone is going to have to get attacked.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

im not going to explain the flaw with that theory again, but go back to my previous posts and you will see.

Oh, I thought it was a vote cause you were a Jerk. <3

Yeah, Battle Mage is innocent. I remember being a newbie too.

I'll throw in an unvote, vote Fircoal while I'm here. Nothing you've said makes me believe you're not scum.

I believe that Battle Mage is not the only newbie... have you bothered to look at the townsperson titles? So if you're willing to cut Battle Mage some slack, why not spread the newbie slack all around? I mean I'm just saying.....

Also Battle Mage, Claiming is not good. Not only is there NO call for it, but you have just eliminated the scum's shot at a potential power role. Don't take things so personally, as this is a game, and someone is going to have to get attacked.

So your only defense is that you might have

lied?

Whether you're protown or not, that's not protown behavior.

unvote, vote: BattleMage

[spectrumvoid]

BM: What flaw in which theory were you referring to?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

BM: What flaw in which theory were you referring to?

He means that him claiming townie doesn't necessarily give the mafia a better chance of hitting a power role because he might have lied in his claim.