Open 9 - Basic Twelve Player (Game Over!) - before 400

AndrewS · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:00 am

Sorry, sorry, you're right..There has been a night. Since I didn't have a night choice and the last few days have been incredibly stressful for me, I've been getting rather flustered of late. I know this doesn't look that good, and I apologize, but I really have nothing else that I can say on the matter.

Patrick · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:40 am

Once again nearly Top of the Page Votecount

Battle Mage (1) -- Ripley
Fircoal (1) -- Twito
Spectrumvoid (1) -- Lowell
Shadowlurker (1) -- The Central Scrutiniser
AndrewS (3) -- Spectrumvoid, IH, Battle Mage
IH (1) -- Shadowlurker
Akbar (1) -- AndrewS

Not Voting: Akbar, Fircoal
11 alive, 6 to lynch.

spectrumvoid · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:21 am

unvote

Erm... AndrewS the point isn't about you missing the post. I think the wagon is on you not because you're inattentive, but because of possible misrepresentation.

I do not think AndrewS is scummy because of that, it's probably an innocent mistake. Reason being I'm a pretty active poster, he couldn't have tried to malign me since it was so easy for me to point it out.

It's the people on the AndrewS wagon who worry me.

vote: IH

(I'm giving BM some leeway here and I know it, but IH's an experienced player.)

Battle Mage · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:04 am

err... werent YOU on the AndrewS wagon?

Andrews still strikes me as a Mafia cornered, and until anyone else acts more scummy, my vote stands.
BM

spectrumvoid wrote:
unvote

Erm... AndrewS the point isn't about you missing the post. I think the wagon is on you not because you're inattentive, but because of possible misrepresentation.

I do not think AndrewS is scummy because of that, it's probably an innocent mistake. Reason being I'm a pretty active poster, he couldn't have tried to malign me since it was so easy for me to point it out.

It's the people on the AndrewS wagon who worry me.

vote: IH

(I'm giving BM some leeway here and I know it, but IH's an experienced player.)

ShadowLurker · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:25 am

SV: That post is full of hypocrisy.

Good thing hypocrisy isn't a scum tell though.

Twito · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:34 am

Akbar wrote:Sorry about that Twito, I was looking at post 63.

So thats just you quoting BM doing a vote on SV then??

That's not your vote?

Yes it's just me failing my quote on BM, it's not my vote. Mod noticed this in the votecount.

Ripley · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:57 am

I agree with Battle Mage, if ShadowLurker has found such a strong town tell in AndrewS's posts I'd like to know what it was.

AndrewS, I wish you hadn't thought it necessary to claim... the more people that do this, the easier it becomes for scum to pick out the cop. I don't think claiming townie is likely to deter voters anyway, and you got your unvotes for your other arguments.

AndrewS · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:05 am

I agree that it doesn't do a whole lot to deter - but, having seen several games hammered seemingly randomly within a few hours, I decided that a claim sooner rather than after the lynch would be appropriate.

ShadowLurker · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:56 pm

The tell is obvious to anyone protown.

ShadowLurker · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:56 pm

AndrewS: Can you guess what the tell is?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:05 pm

SL went from harshly criticizing AndrewS to claiming he was town in about five posts. This one post by AndrewS was in between:

AndrewS wrote:Well, quite frankly, I think that this whole bandwagon is rather silly, having been started over single missed post. Of the votes that are on me: 2 are due to the missed post, one is due to me being found "skulking in the shadows"(and if he's trying to claim cop without having a cop, we've not had night yet), and finally we've got Battle Mage accusing me of bad logic for voting for Akbar due to his bad logic. Lynch me if you want, but I'm town.

Unless you think that him claiming vanilla townie is really a "strong town tell," I don't see what would lead you to completely write him off.

Twito · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:45 pm

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Unless you think that him claiming vanilla townie is really a "strong town tell," I don't see what would lead you to completely write him off.

He made some towntell which I'm too lazy to find myself and am waiting for him to point out. It obviously cannot be claiming vanilla townie are you fking stupid?

Twito · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:46 pm

I obviously meant "..I think you are wrong about that" Instead of "..are you fking stupid"

ShadowLurker · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:07 pm

Twito wrote:I obviously meant "..I think you are wrong about that" Instead of "..are you fking stupid"

Common typo, I understand.

AndrewS · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:02 pm

Alright, I've reread my posts several times. I cannot identify this tell. If it was something that was easily identifiable, every mafia would use it and it would no longer be a town tell. I appreciate your vote of confidence...But I can't identify what this tell is.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:07 pm

Twito wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Unless you think that him claiming vanilla townie is really a "strong town tell," I don't see what would lead you to completely write him off.
He made some towntell which I'm too lazy to find myself and am waiting for him to point out. It obviously cannot be claiming vanilla townie are you fking stupid?

My reference to his claim was sarcasm. Are you fucking stupid?

Twito · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:13 pm

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Twito wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Unless you think that him claiming vanilla townie is really a "strong town tell," I don't see what would lead you to completely write him off.
He made some towntell which I'm too lazy to find myself and am waiting for him to point out. It obviously cannot be claiming vanilla townie are you fking stupid?
My reference to his claim was sarcasm. Are you fucking stupid?

I've seen your play before. I know you are capable of doing something that stupid..I mean something that I think is wrong.. so first thing that comes to my mind is that you are doing it again.

ShadowLurker · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:01 pm

AndrewS wrote:Alright, I've reread my posts several times. I cannot identify this tell. If it was something that was easily identifiable, every mafia would use it and it would no longer be a town tell. I appreciate your vote of confidence...But I can't identify what this tell is.

Well for example, if someone genuinely voted a person that was killed last night because he/she thought the dead person was lurking, would you think they were scum?

AndrewS · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:27 pm

Sorry, not the greatest logic. I could be scum voting for that person just to make you think that I'm not.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:45 pm

Twito wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Twito wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Unless you think that him claiming vanilla townie is really a "strong town tell," I don't see what would lead you to completely write him off.
He made some towntell which I'm too lazy to find myself and am waiting for him to point out. It obviously cannot be claiming vanilla townie are you fking stupid?
My reference to his claim was sarcasm. Are you fucking stupid?

I've seen your play before. I know you are capable of doing something that stupid..I mean something that I think is wrong.. so first thing that comes to my mind is that you are doing it again.

That's fair. I don't exactly play... well, intelligently.

Anyway, I was trying to say that unless SL was silly enough to take "I claim vanilla townie" as a protown tell, I didn't see where the strong tell was.

ShadowLurker · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:46 pm

AndrewS wrote:Sorry, not the greatest logic. I could be scum voting for that person just to make you think that I'm not.

Oh you could be

now

, but how often does mafia intentionally do that, in fact, it didn't even cross your mind until I pointed it out did it? I'm sad I had to ruin one of the greatest town tells ever now though.

Akbar · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:39 pm

Question for TCS.
Earlier BM jumped on Lowell and stated this:

because Lowell seems happy to go for Masterchief, i can assume he is not Mafia.
Therefore i change my vote to Lowell, in an attempt to save a citizen.
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Shortly after you say:

Damn it, it's only page one and already Twito's convinced me that he's town.

(which seems surprisingly quick to me)

And then you say:

unvote my brother in alcohol abuse, vote:Battle Mage for the badlogic. I would think, occasionally, that Lowell votes for scum.

Not only are you jumping to Lowell's defense, someone your not supposed to know. But, by saying Lowell occasionally votes for scum, means he's normally voting against townies. How would you know if Lowell was voting correctly or not?
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Ps. sorry about the sloppy quoting, I'm still trying to learn the system.

spectrumvoid · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:59 pm

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Same for

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Remove the enter.

No, it's not hypocrisy. I voted AndrewS because of a possible scum-tell (misrepresentation), and to see his reaction. The people on the wagon hopped on really quickly.

Ditto to all questions.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:23 am

Akbar wrote:Question for TCS.
Earlier BM jumped on Lowell and stated this:

because Lowell seems happy to go for Masterchief, i can assume he is not Mafia.
Therefore i change my vote to Lowell, in an attempt to save a citizen.
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Shortly after you say:

Damn it, it's only page one and already Twito's convinced me that he's town.

(which seems surprisingly quick to me)

And then you say:

unvote my brother in alcohol abuse, vote:Battle Mage for the badlogic. I would think, occasionally, that Lowell votes for scum.

Not only are you jumping to Lowell's defense, someone your not supposed to know. But, by saying Lowell occasionally votes for scum, means he's normally voting against townies. How would you know if Lowell was voting correctly or not?
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Ps. sorry about the sloppy quoting, I'm still trying to learn the system.

"Twito's convinced me that he is town" was mostly a joke. My original vote for Twito was a random vote to start the game, and my vote on Battle Mage was because his logic for voting Lowell was faulty. "X votes for Y, I'm convinced Y is town, therefore X is scum" is bad logic. Furthermore, I'm (still) not sure how BM could be certain of MC's innocence when at that point he hadn't even posted yet.

Lowell · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:44 am

Wow. This game could not be more WIFOM-tastic.

I'm sold on Akbar, Andrew, and SL all being pro-town. Akbar because he seems too genuinely confused to fake. Andrew, likewise. I think his "no night" response was genuine and not a deliberate setup to make him look innocent (that would seem to me to be needlessly complicated and potentially dangerous for scum... so he's a vanilla townie). SL just for his general behavior.

In all honesty, I don't remember why I voted for SV, but just so the message is clear I will

unvote, REvote SV

. I don't like the tone or timing of her posts, particularly the ones that seem to be sucking up to the newbie players. Yes, yes, I've been wrong about her before, and it's possible that she's just playing nice because she

IS

nice, but I'm sticking with the vote for now.