Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Mr Stoofer]

Top of Page Vote Count

Not voting: dahen, Fritzler, Glork, klebian, Nightson, petroleumjelly, Thok, Twito

5 votes to push someone out of the airlock.

[Twito]

Vote: Twito

[Glork]

I agree. It would have saved you the trouble of trying to act like a Gorilla for a whole 'nother day. You poor thing.

Cute. But no.

Glork's Votes Throughout the Game: MrBuddyLee [Gorilla], Bogre/Thok [Gorilla], Sarcastro/Zindaras [Gorilla], Ibaesha/PJ [Gorilla], InHimShallIBe [Gorilla], CES [Space Monkey - but tried to vote PJ, Gorilla], Masterchief [Gorilla].... and yesterday, Nightson [Unknown], Fritzler [Unknown], Save the Dragons [Gorilla]

The only person who is more upset than you are with this voting record is me. My play has been atrocious. I realize that, and I also realize that it's probably going to get me lynched at some point to end the game. I pride myself on my ability to find scum, and I have failed miserably at doing so. I expect to have bad games from time to time (Jelly Mafia), and this is one of them. Obviously, though, my reuptation seems to precede me nowadays, as I consistently find myself being accused of being scum for being wrong. Now, I'm not by any means going to give up, but if I do get lynched and we lose, at least I'll finally be able to point to a game and say "Look, even Glork sucks at scumfinding from time to time." I've played like crap. I probably deserve to lose.

Still, I don't like trying to find scum based on voting records, especially in this particular game. I'm tempted to go through and compile each living player's voting history to see how accurate (or, rather, inaccurate) they have been over the course of the game... in fact, I probably will do that if I find the time to do so. However, there are two things wrong with using this kind of evidence. First, there's the obvious fact that for the first couple of days, all of the Gorillas thought that they were scums... and, consequently, players seemed a lot more careless, bandwagony, and manipulative with their votes. Second, voting records cannot necessarily be an indication of a player's alignment. If you look at Lights Out 1, my play was absolutely awful until I found Logic and DM. I was looking in all fo the wrong places. I was not only

on

every mislynch, I

pushed

many of those mislynches. Had somebody gone through my prior voting/suspicion records, I probably would have been lynched then, too. (And, in fact, I remember Coolbot pressing for a lynch on me based on the way he felt I was playing.) I maintain that my voting record has been an indication of bad play, not of a bad alignment.

I think Glork has been trying to constantly pair off one of his scum-partners. He tries to pawn Twito off with Fritz earlier, and even though he proposes such a scum-group, he votes for Fritz over Twito. He also has not really gone after Twito pretty much the entire game.

You're taking this particular example out of context. If you'll notice, I voted for Fritz for his aloof behavior, which I suspect was fake. I didn't mention Twito until Twito said that we should keep Fritz around "because he's funny." To say I pawned Twito off on Fritz and "though I propose a scumgropu, vote for Fritz over Twito" is completely inaccurate, as it implies that I presented the pairing before voting for Fritz.

Glork tried to pair Nightson with Fritzler, and then Save the Dragons. In fact, here are the exact pairings he has tried to show (and this is just lately: it doesn't even consider the bad Zindaras + PJ, MBL + PJ, etc)...

Twito

+ Fritz

StD

+ Nightson
Fritz + Nightson

StD

or Fritz

Lousy Glork. You should have been dead a long time ago. I'll hold off voting so we can have discussion today.

Beh. I can't really think of an explanation that doesn't fall into WIFOM territory.
However, my tendency when implicating a scumbuddy with another player has been to bus the buddy then use that kind of momentum to fuel a lynch against the other player. It doesn't make nearly as much sense (in my mind, anyway) to point to Scumbuddy A and Player B and consistently go after Player B. If you'll remember from past games, that's one of my favorite ways to catch

other

scumbags, so I generally make it a point to

avoid

exhibiting those exact same scumtells. It is, IMHO, short-sighted and a horrendously delicate way to try to manipulate a town, and it rarely works in fooling any decent player for very long.

[Twito]

*weeps*
Bring flowers to my grave!

[Thok]

Fritzler, Fritzler! Where are you Fritzler?

(I'm also worried about dahen, Nightson, and klebian not posting, but at least they tend to do that anyways. Fritzler should have said something by now, especially since Stoofer has given every indication that he's going to punish a lack of participation.)

[klebian]

Hey now. I tend to post.... in... hm.
Obviously, glork's defense isn't saying much, but I don't see how he can defend himself well in this kind of situation.

[Thok]

So, given that Twito is Space Monkey, who else do you think is Space Monkey?

[Nightson]

Post coming tomorrow (just to reassure people that I'm here)

[Fritzler]

I think Glork has been trying to constantly pair off one of his scum-partners. He tries to pawn Twito off with Fritz earlier, and even though he proposes such a scum-group, he votes for Fritz over Twito. He also has not really gone after Twito pretty much the entire game.

You're taking this particular example out of context. If you'll notice, I voted for Fritz for his aloof behavior, which I suspect was fake. I didn't mention Twito until Twito said that we should keep Fritz around "because he's funny." To say I pawned Twito off on Fritz and "though I propose a scumgropu, vote for Fritz over Twito" is completely inaccurate, as it implies that I presented the pairing before voting for Fritz.

are you guys saying im not funny?

[Fritzler]

well since glork wants to kill me, im more than happy killing him

im kind of impartial to this game

[Twito]

I'm seriously starting to think that just because I like bananas that doesn't mean I'm a Gorilla..

[klebian]

So, given that Twito is Space Monkey, who else do you think is Space Monkey?

Good question. I'll think over this.

[Glork]

Dear Dahen,

You posted in nearly all of your games in the past day, yet you seem to be neglecting this one. Why is that? Do you not like us? Are you hoping to lurk your way to victory? What are your thoughts?

XOXO,
Glork

[Twito]

Why can't we all live happily together?

[Fritzler]

I'm seriously starting to think that just because I like bananas that doesn't mean I'm a Gorilla..

gorillas like bananas

you're obviously the humyn sk

[Twito]

Group hug!
*hugs*
Bananas for everyone!

[dahen]

Hi people!

I have completely missed this game. Since I got back from my vacation I have followed on all of the other games, but I have not gotten any reminders for this one. Please send me a prod if something like this happens in the future. I'm never lurking on purpose.

I'm glad we have found a SM this night. Too bad STD was modkilled, but I actually think I would have voted him if I'd been around. Regarding today, I've done some speed-reading to catch up and not found anything particularly scummy.

I'm not sure what to think of Glork. I was in the end-game with him a little while ago (mini 358) and finally got it right. I'll see if I can get it this time too. That involves re-reads and yes Glork, some voting pattern analysis as well.

[dahen]

Minor edit: My vacation was actually a business trip.

I will not be home this week-end, but I'll try to get a good post by Monday.

[klebian]

Bah, I'm going to read through twito's posts, but he just starts out with so much spam.

[Glork]

Post coming tomorrow (just to reassure people that I'm here)

Where is that post, Nightson?

Dahen, where is your post?

Klebian, what are your thoughts?

Fritz: What flavor ice cream?

[Twito]

Why can't Gorillas and Space Monkeys eat bananas together happily ever after?
Honestly I dunno about you guys but right now I feel like eating a cookie
*eats a cookie*

[Fritzler]

Fritz: What flavor ice cream?

Neapolitan, but that dick that takes way more chocolate than vanilla and strawberry

[dahen]

Glork - I told you I'd post on Monday. That's today. I will start with the post right now, even that it might take a little while to complete.

[Glork]

Oh, you're right... I somehow missed that.

[dahen]

No, problem, Glork. I like your style.
Here we go:

I'll start with a few words about when all of us thought we were scum. (At least, I think the SM's knew that they were scum from the start.):

Since everybody thinks they are scum, we can expect scum behaviour from everybody. The difference between SMs and Gorillas at that point was that the Gorillas don't know who their mafia companions are, while the SMs probably knows. What I'm trying to say is that Gorillas easily would bus other Gorillas, while SM's probably wouldn't (subject to normal tactical bussing of course).

SMs we know of (apart from SpeedyKQ):
A) CES
B) Twito

Possible SMs:
c) dahen
d) Fritzler
e) Glork
f) Nightson

Gorillas:
G) the rest

Votes D1 from A-f:
A: GG(fos:e)G
B: GG
c: fGG
e: GGGG(fos:GGG)G(fos:f)
d: GG
f: GGGGGG

Votes D2

I'll have to do the rest later. I will give my analysis as well.